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I will probably convey this thought on similarly running threads…

I remember John Paul II stating so many years ago…that our sense of communion and unity will not be perfect as we hope…that there will be other faith traditions present among us that we must settle with.

Likewise I also remember my former pastor now with the Lord…seeing how so many in dialogue still cannot grasp the need for Catholic sense of unity…stated that we must begin to see that our faith in the hierarchy of our Church and our belief in the Eucharist…when so many Christ centered and wonderful Christians don’t, that such a value for communion as we understand it…is a privilege…so we must also become more humble with our separated brethren and accept their differences, and likewise hold them in good faith.
 
KathleenGee said:
I will probably convey this thought on similarly running threads…

I remember John Paul II stating so many years ago…that our sense of communion and unity will not be perfect as we hope…that there will be other faith traditions present among us that we must settle with.

Likewise I also remember my former pastor now with the Lord…seeing how so many in dialogue still cannot grasp the need for Catholic sense of unity…stated that we must begin to see that our faith in the hierarchy of our Church and our belief in the Eucharist…when so many Christ centered and wonderful Christians don’t, that such a value for communion as we understand it…is a privilege…so we must also become more humble with our separated brethren and accept their differences, and likewise hold them in good faith.
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I agree with your pastor that it is a privilege to be Catholic.
 
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If unity is everyone is Roman Catholic and under the Pope then yes I am not for unity.
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That lack of reason, in a cloud of unknowing, is the ultimate rejection of Christ as He was crystal clear: “if he refuses to hear even the Church let him be like the heathen and a publican.” (Mt 18:17).

The mandate from Christ Himself with all four promises to Peter alone:
“You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church.” (Mt 16:18)
“The gates of hell will not prevail against it.”(Mt 16:18)
I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.” ( Mt 16:19)
“Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.” (Mt 16:19) [Later, also to the Twelve].

Sole authority:
“Strengthen your brethren.” (Lk 22:32)
“Feed My sheep.”(Jn 21:17).

Nothing could be clearer.

Peter, as Christ’s chosen supreme teacher, sanctifier and ruler is quite clear, and Christ prayed: “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in Me through their word, that they all may be one as Thou, Father, in Me and I in Thee…. That the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me (Jn 17:20-21), and the fact that His chosen one is known as the “Pope” (Vicar of Christ), the term merely supports Christ’s action.

The Church founded by Jesus of Nazareth is universal. Catholic was first used by St Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrneans, A.D. 107, “Where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” It is from the Greek katholike meaning “general” or “universal”. Within 90 years it meant also “orthodox” or faithful to the teachings of Christ. (The Catholic Catechism, Fr John A Hardon, S.J., Doubleday, 1975, p 217).

As St Peter was Bishop of Rome and that is the seat of the papacy, “Roman” Catholic may be used for the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church.

As no other sect or denomination has ever, or can ever, teach with the consistency and all-encompassing reality of Her dogma and doctrine on faith and morals, that reality also encourages all to seek and find that truth and holiness with which Christ has imbued Her.
 
I think one has have the point to the truth in Christ and that truth has to stay on the heart to get past arguments like that. It wouldn’t do any good were we unified either, plenty of excuses can be found to disbelieve.
 
Plenty of excuses to disbelieve, thats true within the unity of each church too. Its a climatic period in time and faith and rightfully so people are becoming at least more mindful of Church. So to some degree you can see a kind of unity in Christ as such. But thats not Church unity in specific beliefs. The climatic periods streamline the quibbles about specific grips and seem to relate more to major points about consensus. I see many people today who are afraid of Church and feel like hypocrites too. I think its all part of a moral awakening going on of interconnected consciousness. In climatic times everything appears as finite. Rightfully so too.
 
Tomyris said:
What if Christ said we are united and He is happy with the way things are now?

Before the Reformation the Catholic church kept a lot of people in it by the sword and the fire. Do you want a return to THAT? As soon as they could they got out. There was not a whole lot of unity, now we are more honest about it.
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Rather snarky don’t you think?
 
No matter the proof of history…it will not change people’s opinions or attitudes.

Again…it is a privilege that we have faith in Christ’s Church, and our communion based on our first calling…to enter into the life of the Holy Trinity – not that based on our own convictions and opinions.

For me, to base my faith on my own opinions and convictions…is still a working of the flesh and not in conformity with Peter’s second letter, part 2 where he exhorts to be faithful to the teachings of the apostles who were the witnesses of the Lord and to not follow personal interpretation…which only leads to so many fragments of Christianity.

Every Catholic parish has as many opinions as parishioners…but one faith, one body, one Creed.
 
Tomyris said:
What if Christ said we are united and He is happy with the way things are now?

Before the Reformation the Catholic church kept a lot of people in it by the sword and the fire. Do you want a return to THAT? As soon as they could they got out. There was not a whole lot of unity, now we are more honest about it.
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Do you really believe that Christ is happy that His Church, which he founded Himself, is fractured like it is?

I guess I would like to ask you if you really think that if Christ’s Church was reunited that the people in it would be held by the sword and the fire.

At some point folks need to realize that this is not the middle ages anymore and that the sins of those of the past should not dictate current day prejudices that perpetuate falsehoods and disunity.
 
pablope said:
But do you agree with what he said
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Honestly? I could care less. As I stated earlier, that is his opinion. I do not celebrate Reformation Sunday. I have never really cared to do so. I know some that do.
If it can prove to be of apostolic origin, trace a line to the apostles…have the four marks of the Church…and had been in communion with the see of Peter…then why not?
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Then it sounds like you are where you need to be friend.
So what is your proof for the one true church?
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The body of believers that have put their trust and faith Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins so that they may defeat death and serve God in Heaven for eternity.
 
adf417 said:
Now I can understand how 7 extra books can be so irrelevant. Seems like the bible could have been just a simple one page document stating “Jesus is God”.🤷

Peace!!!
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Peace to you as well
 
Thusly the fallacy of disunity and the self-proclaimed ‘Reformation’ is revealed. No longer does one today even bother to justify one’s stance, it is much simpler to fracture and recreate in one’s own image.
 
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