I beg your pardon if I offended you, but OSAS itself (which came from the OP) is a derisive expression for Eternal Security…
What’s wrong with the Papacy? There has to be leader, I think it’s obvious. The leader has to be infallible, otherwise his leadership can be always questioned and wouldn’t make any sense. Protestants, just like the pope, believe in their own infallibility but you call it “infallibility of the Scripture”.At the risk of being conceited, I include myself in this group. After being on these boards for quite some time, I have read the posts of a number of fellow Protestants who obviously know their “stuff”.
You have read the Early Christian Fathers, scripture, and with apologies to Cardinal Newman, “Are deep into history”.
Yet, we do not convert for a number of reasons. For me, it is the Marian dogmas, the Papacy, and a very evangelical view about conversion(despite the fact that my own denomination is situationally evangelical).
Yet, on the other hand, most of the people on here who are Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, or Presbyterian know fully well that our respective groups are battling to stay within the realm…of historic orthodox beliefs(yes I know that Catholics do not think we are but WE think we are obviously)
So, to make a long question longer, does this discourage you like it does me?
You are not converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy, but you are frustrated with the slow winds, and in some cases they are a monsoon, blowing our churches away from orthodoxy.
How do you handle it? I am not handling it well lately.
Thanks. I am not really interested in debate. I have read all of the debates a hundred times but in the thoughts of people who MIGHT find themselves in this situation.
BH
The Catholic teaching on contraception was our gateway into the Catholic Church. We intuited the correctness of the Catholic position on contraception without really understanding it, and give it up (much to the improvement of our marriage, btw). After that, the rest of the picture began to fill in with technicolor and flesh out in all dimensions.
Ain’t that the truth. But to be fair, serious Protestants “get” this. Spurgeon, among others, expressed this with great eloquence and passion. Eternal security or OSAS is a rather debased understanding of the assurance we have as heirs in faith of Christ’s One perfect sacrifice. Catholics and Protestants are actually much closer on this than we sometimes think.
Was it Tim Staples who finally surrendered her saying, “Mary, I accept you as my personal mother?”
Ugh! People who hold catechetical positions are not at liberty to teach their own private views. They are responsible for teaching the Catholic faith. I tell ya, for years, the church I attended was “far more Catholic than” – most Catholics. But it could never be more Catholic than the Church. A distinction I failed to discern for a long, long time.
Well…I am not Sola Scriptura, I never called apparitions “Satanic”, we do not ordain homosexuals…yet…and as far as the rest, you do not sound like a person I would drink coffee with
What with?
You mean the doctrine the bishop of Rome added after the 1070 east/west split?
The Orthodox claims he’s there.
My Church is where Jesus is.
Aliens and strangers.
There are still people who do not hold forgiveness. Half of them don’t know what the dispute was about anymore, hence this “We are the one true church” nonsense.
Amen.
The Churches teaching that it is not in error could be an error in its self.
No The Saints in Heaven are alive!uhhh, Luther is dead.
Ecumenicalism should be being lead by The Holy Spirit and therfore being in unity of The Spirit.
Well, see, and this is what drew me back to the Catholic church and lead my dh and dc to convert. The ELCA is much too liberal and the LCMS still has the anti-Christ statements on their books. And seeing Christ’s prayer for unity, it doesn’t make sense to move off into ever smaller and smaller denominations.Not to offend anyone but in reality, the ELCA are too liberal now for that to happen and the Missouri Synod I DONT THINK have that inclination. Just an opinion
I agree and I find it a very sad state of affairs. Someone looking for the truth shouldn’t have to ferret out Vactican documents, search all over the internet, and be constantly second guessing what goes on in their parish.I reported this to the priest, who did nothing, and then to the diocese, which did nothing. This guy, hired by the priest, is still teaching.
Nice accusation.
What good is it to have a church that claims to teach infallible truth, but never seems to bother teaching it, seemingly full of errant bishops and teachers who lead the flock astray and cannot be trusted, that demands it be trusted and then acts in a very untrustworthy manner? Some Catholics say if you don’t like a parish, vote with your feet, which is a very Protestant approach. Because of the poor teaching of the Catholic Church, many Catholics are Protestant.
I find it interesting in the “isn’t this so reprehensible it’s interesting” sense. The Catholic church ex-communicated Martin Luther for having the “audacity” to point out her sins and get the church he dearly loved (yes, for all you Martin bashers out there, Martin Luther loved the Roman Catholic church and did what he did because he wanted her to get back on the right track) in line with the Scriptures and out of simony again.
Really? You mean, according to what you put forward here, all “personal experiences and thoughts” are welcome here EXCEPT one that dissents from the dissenters?The original question is asking about personal experiences and thoughts.
It goes without saying that the underlying presupposition for all posters is that they seek to do the will of God (THY will).
That is the assumption most people share about other posters.
This thread can do without the occasional poster who drops in and makes a value judgement about the intentions and motives of others.
“me” count this particular post= 0
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Have a great day
True and they are not just Catholics. That’s every human being on earth.
There is no idotatry in Christendom particularly in Catholicism. Though the Eastern Orthodox is not in full communion with us, they also held their own doctrines and tradition. I also believe that they are more conservative than us Catholics sense their fastening and church law is more strict. For example, before receiving Holy Communion at their Divine Liturgy, they must fast at midnight prior to receiving the Body and Blood of the Lord.
I see a lot of anti-Catholic bias you have in your post. Mussolini and Hitler was condemned by Pope Pius XII. They were not practicing Catholic. They were atheistic in their philosphy. Ex-communication is meant for those Catholics who practice their faith but have become disobedient by not adhering to Church Law.Yet, the Catholic church, to this very day, has not ex-communicated, even posthumously, Mussolini and Hilter. So when johnny p the 2nd asks for forgiveness for the church’s sins: that would’ve been a good step in the right direction to actually demonstrate that he was sincere about it.
Yet, the Catholic church, to this very day, has not ex-communicated, even posthumously, Mussolini and Hilter. So when johnny p the 2nd asks for forgiveness for the church’s sins: that would’ve been a good step in the right direction to actually demonstrate that he was sincere about it.
Just a note of personal experience and observation:
