For those who believe homosexuals can change their orientation....

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Elizabeth, you are a mine of information. Could it perhaps have come into being in the Midwest or East Coast? Although breaking down now, America used to have regional delicacies. Just as Hot Dogs were, I believe invented at the St Louis Fair, or was it Chicago?, and “Chinese” fortune cookies come from the Midwinter Fair in San Francisco in 1894. And there are still aspects of Southern cuisine which remain below the Mason-Dixon line.

PS I know we are going wildly off topic, but I do think lightening things up a bit is healthy. Sometimes in these discussions there is a tendency to become a little too 'serious". It’s a sound Catholic sense to return every now and then to the lighter and more cheerful aspects of life. One of the truths which derive from the hypostatic union is that ours is an Incarnational Religion and we can take joy from the simple pleasures of human nature.
 
Now, to enter into the true Arcana: In my childhood in certain pats of California, what are now called “Danish Pastries” were called “snails” . The reason for this is that German bakers referred to them, by shape as “Schnallen” ie “snails.” Most of the bakeries in Old San Francisco were German owned, and the term spread through much of California. It now seems to be extinct, but as a child I definitely remember being given “snails” for breakfast. The term is still alive in parts of the Deutschsprachraum. That is to say, Germany and Austria.
 
In France one can still have a “Nun” with coffee. That is to say “Une Religieuse”. basically a cream puff covered in dark Chocolate and vaguely resembling a nun’s habit. Then there is the Cappucino, which derives from the color of the Capuchin friars habit.Clearly, there is here in the makings a “Catholic Cookbook”!!!
 
Yes, Hadrianus, mid-America is where they were especially popular.

And yes, Dakota, I meant to mention the cinnamon and forgot until just after I posted, but didn’t bother correcting myself. Cinnamon is a major feature of the snickerdoodle.
 
Of course, this is all Very Modern. Down to the 18nth Century all spices were incredibly expensive and only available to the Upper Classes. Tea and chocolate were also expensive. Hence the antique “tea caddies” which had locks on them. Venice became rich on the spice trade, and only lost its preeminence when the “Southern route” allowed for direct shipping from the Orient to the West.

Tea, pronounced “tay” as is still the case somewhat in Ireland, was very costly in the 18nth Century. Coffee too, and fortunes were made in importing them to Britain and America; hence the famous Boston Tea Party" when in rejection of the tax, the Bostonians dumped it all into the sea.
 
PS I see a green thingy being attached to our posts; does this mean we are in trouble for going off topic? If so I apologize, and shall shut up.

So to return to the OP, I’ll say this, whilst stressing that I am not a clinical psychologist. My own opinion, based upon what I know of psychology is that someone who has only ever experienced SSA probably cannot become a heterosexual in the same clinical sense. That said, all human beings are called to chastity which, following St Paul and the universal teaching of Catholic theologians, prefers the celibate state above all others as the greatest
inducement to sanctity. Real holiness consists in the abandonment of physical desries and the transcending thereof for the love of God., which is the most supreme intrinsic good.

Marriage in itself is a good, provided that the couple are always open to the proper end of marriage which is life. But celibacy–that is perfect chastity–is still a higher good when offerred to God. If someone, for whatever reason, either because homosexual by orientation, or heterosexual, but not inclined to marry, can also give himself to God and achieve great sanctity and grace. I know at least one friend who is heterosexual, but he truly does not feel that marriage is his vocation and he longs to enter religious life.

I would stress here that these terms "heterosexual"or “homosexual” come from late 19nth Century German psychology. Neither the one nor the other is found in the classic Catholic tradition of Moral theology. In fact, they would have been incomprehensible to St Alphonsus or Suarez, or St Thomas. One could elaborate on this point at great length; but I am the first to confess that I am lazy and really, I don’t want to spend a great deal of time translating Latin texts into English. To be frank, It’s not that hard to do, but it does require some time. That said, if anyone here really wants the texts I am willing to do it; but be serious, because, although I strongly support truth, I am lazy.
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Elizabeth502 said:
Yes, Hadrianus, mid-America is where they were especially popular.

And yes, Dakota, I meant to mention the cinnamon and forgot until just after I posted, but didn’t bother correcting myself. Cinnamon is a major feature of the snickerdoodle.
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ACTUALLY cream of tartar is the major and defining feature of a snickerdoodle, which is still quite popular in Kansas. you can usually get one wherever cookies are sold.
 
Michelle, do you think it’s the cream of tartar that provides the slight chewiness?
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Why would someone call me gay?

Considering I firmly oppose “gay culture” I don’t identify with it really
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In your post 95 your friends suspecting you were gay because you did not notice girls hitting on you. Clearly this is not about “gay culture”. Please do not divert to “gay culture”.

From your post 95 I bold your own remark about it.
Dakota_Roberts said:
I am a very confident person regardless of whether I’m delivering a speech to 500 people or am 100 feet up on a rock face.

I have plenty of male friends and female friends, but this feels totally different. I feel no attraction to females at all, indeed some of my friends suspected I was gay because I didn’t seem to notice that girls were hitting on me. Also once a girl came up to me in the cafeteria and kissed me on the lips and I felt traumatized and violated.
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By the way, have you ever delivered a speech to 500 people for real? What was the topic about? No wonder, girls were hitting on you. 👍
 
francisca said:
In your post 95 your friends suspecting you were gay because you did not notice girls hitting on you. Clearly this is not about “gay culture”. Please do not divert to “gay culture”.

From your post 95 I bold your own remark about it.

By the way, have you ever delivered a speech to 500 people for real? What was the topic about? No wonder, girls were hitting on you. 👍
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Yes, they did think I might have been gay. Also my own father thought I might have been gay by about 16 because I never was never into girls and when he asked how I felt about specific girls my answer was pretty much always along the lines of"She’s nice"

No, the audience was about a hundred though for an eleven year old it might as well have been five hundred, all the boys in my cub scout group had to do a presentation on a country, I was assigned India, of course as usually I made the speech on the fly stitching together things I had learned in Newsweek, Business Week, the Economist, the Atlantic, the NY Times and the WSJ (I was a well read eleven year old). On the rock climbing thing I climbed a fifty foot rock face to get over my fear of heights. I’m also good at making things out of wood and metal.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Yes, they did think I might have been gay. Also my own father thought I might have been gay by about 16 because I never was never into girls and when he asked how I felt about specific girls my answer was pretty much always along the lines of"She’s nice"
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I see.

So does your father now accept you as gay?

Frankly I do not know why do you need to identify yourself as gay:
  1. You don’t feel like you want to have sex with any man
  2. You oppose gay culture
For me, your posts are very ambiguous, because the term “come out” usually is for those who have decided to embrace gay culture. But then you say you don’t identify yourself with gay culture. I really do not know then what the term “come out” means to you. 🤷

For me you are just a young man struggling with SSA, but then again, you don’t sound that way either. I can see clearly that your posts are ambiguous, but you are not that confused either. I think you have decided to identify yourself as a gay and you are not confused about it. Because as far as I can see, you might as well identify yourself as “a guy struggling with SSA”, but you don’t. You identify yourself as gay: for what purpose? 🤷
 
francisca said:
I see.

So does your father now accept you as gay?

Frankly I do not know why do you need to identify yourself as gay:
  1. You don’t feel like you want to have sex with any man
  2. You oppose gay culture
For me, your posts are very ambiguous, because the term “come out” usually is for those who have decided to embrace gay culture. But then you say you don’t identify yourself with gay culture. I really do not know then what the term “come out” means to you. 🤷

For me you are just a young man struggling with SSA, but then again, you don’t sound that way either. I can see clearly that your posts are ambiguous, but you are not that confused either. I think you have decided to identify yourself as a gay and you are not confused about it. Because as far as I can see, you might as well identify yourself as “a guy struggling with SSA”, but you don’t. You identify yourself as gay: for what purpose? 🤷
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I came out to my parents and they both accept me. I also came out to my extended family (very Catholic) and it was amusing to watch the results. When I came out I said I do not plan to ever engage in sex and intend to remain true and faithful to the Church. Naturally the person in my extended family who accepted me the most was my missionary cousin, she of course applauded my decision to remain absolutely faithful to the Church.

I told them I was gay, that’s what I mean by coming out.

I don’t know how to explain my ecstatic experience, but it was glorious to say the least. :heaven:
 
francisca said:
I see.

So does your father now accept you as gay?

Frankly I do not know why do you need to identify yourself as gay:
  1. You don’t feel like you want to have sex with any man
  2. You oppose gay culture
For me, your posts are very ambiguous, because the term “come out” usually is for those who have decided to embrace gay culture. But then you say you don’t identify yourself with gay culture. I really do not know then what the term “come out” means to you. 🤷

For me you are just a young man struggling with SSA, but then again, you don’t sound that way either. I can see clearly that your posts are ambiguous, but you are not that confused either. I think you have decided to identify yourself as a gay and you are not confused about it. Because as far as I can see, you might as well identify yourself as “a guy struggling with SSA”, but you don’t. You identify yourself as gay: for what purpose? 🤷
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Exactly, Francisca. That’s what I’ve been trying to get at as well.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
I came out to my parents and they both accept me. I also came out to my extended family (very Catholic) and it was amusing to watch the results. When I came out I said I do not plan to ever engage in sex and intend to remain true and faithful to the Church. Naturally the person in my extended family who accepted me the most was my missionary cousin, she of course applauded my decision to remain absolutely faithful to the Church.

I told them I was gay, that’s what I mean by coming out.

I don’t know how to explain my ecstatic experience, but it was glorious to say the least. :heaven:
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So how’s your life different before and after you “came out” ? Is there any difference at all?

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