For those who believe homosexuals can change their orientation....

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michelleds said:
Debora, while your statements have a certain logic to them, I think it does not follow the real world usage of language. In my 24 years living as a part of the gay community, I never met anyone who identified as gay or homosexual without meaning that they were sexually active or actively seeking to be so. if someone says they are gay or homosexual, they mean that they have sex with people of the same gender. someone might say that they thought they were gay, and that would mean (maybe) that they had not (yet) had sex with someone of the same gender, but that’s it.

so yes, the word ex-gay does mean something. with all due respect, perhaps someone who has claimed above to never ever be attracted to another woman wouldn’t actually have a full understanding of what gay, homosexual and ex-gay …]

michelleds, In my 24+ years inthe gay community I have met PLENTY of people who identified as “gay” and did not mean they were active or seeking to be-and in fact were not interested in sexual activity at all. Just as I have met many people who identify as being straight, non active, and not seeking a sexual relationship. Like wise, I know many women who are homosexual that refuse the word lesbian and others who deplore the term gay. So lets not get caught up in words but rather to understand by careful listening(reading) of what is meant. The truth is in different parts of the country/world words are used differently. But it doesn’t mean we can’t figure out what someone means.
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raaucoin said:
michelleds;8382538:
Debora, while your statements have a certain logic to them, I think it does not follow the real world usage of language. In my 24 years living as a part of the gay community, I never met anyone who identified as gay or homosexual without meaning that they were sexually active or actively seeking to be so. if someone says they are gay or homosexual, they mean that they have sex with people of the same gender. someone might say that they thought they were gay, and that would mean (maybe) that they had not (yet) had sex with someone of the same gender, but that’s it.

so yes, the word ex-gay does mean something. with all due respect, perhaps someone who has claimed above to never ever be attracted to another woman wouldn’t actually have a full understanding of what gay, homosexual and ex-gay …]

michelleds, In my 24+ years inthe gay community I have met PLENTY of people who identified as “gay” and did not mean they were active or seeking to be-and in fact were not interested in sexual activity at all. Just as I have met many people who identify as being straight, non active, and not seeking a sexual relationship. Like wise, I know many women who are homosexual that refuse the word lesbian and others who deplore the term gay. So lets not get caught up in words but rather to understand by careful listening(reading) of what is meant. The truth is in different parts of the country/world words are used differently. But it doesn’t mean we can’t figure out what someone means.
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Thank you, Raaucoin, for your insight.

Personally, as I stated elsewhere, I don’t like any of the available labels thus far created. I just identify as “in full compliance with the Magisterium”. I guess I’m going to have to coin a word. HEY! maybe I’ll be famous!
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francisca said:
So how’s your life different before and after you “came out” ? Is there any difference at all?

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plus ça change…
raaucoin said:
michelleds, In my 24+ years in the gay community I have met PLENTY of people who identified as “gay” and did not mean they were active or seeking to be-and in fact were not interested in sexual activity at all. Just as I have met many people who identify as being straight, non active, and not seeking a sexual relationship. Like wise, I know many women who are homosexual that refuse the word lesbian and others who deplore the term gay. So lets not get caught up in words but rather to understand by careful listening(reading) of what is meant. The truth is in different parts of the country/world words are used differently. But it doesn’t mean we can’t figure out what someone means.
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Indeed, words can mean different things to different people
michelleds said:
Thank you, Raaucoin, for your insight.

Personally, as I stated elsewhere, I don’t like any of the available labels thus far created. I just identify as “in full compliance with the Magisterium”. I guess I’m going to have to coin a word. HEY! maybe I’ll be famous!
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Not a label person? I feel the same way with politics, when someone asks my party affiliation I say Catholic.

PS, who is the “we” on your blog?
 
A friend and I pooled resources–time, energy and treasure–to buy this farm
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
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Best friends forever?
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we’ve been friends for awhile now and both were interested in getting back to our roots (we both grew up on or working on farms) but couldn’t afford the money or energy to go at it alone. thus we pooled our resources.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
I didn’t say I do, I said the coming out was boring, I didn’t intend for it to be some grand show.
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So I supposed you are still the same boy you used to be, after your father accept you as gay.

Your “glorious coming out” now suddenly is s boring coming out. Yeah right.
 
francisca said:
So I supposed you are still the same boy you used to be, after your father accept you as gay.

Your “glorious coming out” now suddenly is s boring coming out. Yeah right.
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I told them I was gay, that’s what I mean by coming out.
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I don’t know how to explain my ecstatic experience, but it was glorious to say the least.
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Two separate sentences with a break between them
 
I haven’t followed the entire discussion, so maybe this has already been posted. I’m sorry if it is a duplicate.

"Press Release; September 26, 2011

Groundbreaking Research on Sexual Orientation Change
Published in Respected Scientific Journal

Academic Citation:
Stanton L. Jones & Mark A. Yarhouse. (2011). “A longitudinal study of attempted religiously-mediated sexual orientation change.” Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, Volume 37, pages 404-427.

For more details, information about the authors, and responses to criticisms, go to
www.exgaystudy.org

A chorus of voices in the professional world today proclaims that it is impossible to change sexual orientation, particularly homosexual orientation, and that the attempt to change sexual orientation is commonly and inherently harmful. For example, for many years the Public Affairs website of the American Psychological Association stated: “Can therapy change sexual orientation? No. . . . [H]omosexuality . . . does not require treatment and is not changeable.”[1] Regarding harm, the American Psychiatric Association’s statement that the “potential risks of ‘reparative therapy’ are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior”[2] is often cited.

Psychologists Stanton L. Jones of Wheaton College (IL) and Mark A. Yarhouse of Regent University have just published in The Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, a respected, peer-reviewed scientific journal, the final results of their longitudinal study of a sample of men and women seeking religiously-mediated sexual orientation change through involvement in a variety of Christian ministries affiliated with Exodus International. The results stand in tension with the supposed professional consensus."…

Source: exgaystudy.org/archives/1278
 
SwizzleStick said:
I haven’t followed the entire discussion, so maybe this has already been posted. I’m sorry if it is a duplicate.
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If someone was never gay to begin with, that makes the whole “ex-gay” thing possible. There’s no such thing as “ex-gay,” only homosexuals who change their behaviors to act straight. And I’m still waiting to hear from the wives of these ex-gays: you’d think they could score a major book deal or/and speakers bureau gig with Catholic Answers. Where are they? When can I expect to hear them (not the “researchers” but the actual “ex-gays”) on Catholic Answers Live with Patrick Coffin?
 
SwizzleStick said:
I haven’t followed the entire discussion, so maybe this has already been posted. I’m sorry if it is a duplicate.

"Press Release; September 26, 2011

Groundbreaking Research on Sexual Orientation Change
Published in Respected Scientific Journal

Academic Citation:
Stanton L. Jones & Mark A. Yarhouse. (2011). “A longitudinal study of attempted religiously-mediated sexual orientation change.” Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, Volume 37, pages 404-427.

For more details, information about the authors, and responses to criticisms, go to
www.exgaystudy.org

A chorus of voices in the professional world today proclaims that it is impossible to change sexual orientation, particularly homosexual orientation, and that the attempt to change sexual orientation is commonly and inherently harmful. For example, for many years the Public Affairs website of the American Psychological Association stated: “Can therapy change sexual orientation? No. . . . [H]omosexuality . . . does not require treatment and is not changeable.”[1] Regarding harm, the American Psychiatric Association’s statement that the “potential risks of ‘reparative therapy’ are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior”[2] is often cited.

Psychologists Stanton L. Jones of Wheaton College (IL) and Mark A. Yarhouse of Regent University have just published in The Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, a respected, peer-reviewed scientific journal, the final results of their longitudinal study of a sample of men and women seeking religiously-mediated sexual orientation change through involvement in a variety of Christian ministries affiliated with Exodus International. The results stand in tension with the supposed professional consensus."…

Source: exgaystudy.org/archives/1278
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APA has to give answer to other disciplines of science regarding the facts of human sexuality.

Otherwise APA only establish it’s position based on “due to unknown reason, some people are born this way” or “people have the right to choose their sexual imagination, and therefore their gender/ sexuality is decided by their imagination”.

If APA can’t establish good enough reasons, those which can give answer to other disciplines of sciences regarding why sexual orientation is “something healthy”, then
  1. APA has no right whatsoever to prevent anybody from their right to seek treatment when they feel they need to.
  2. APA has to respect patient’s religion and believe, otherwise APA is practising dictatorship without having to place a good scientific prove, it tries to regulate other’s well being and morality.
 
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