For those who use it...does NFP really truly work?

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darcee:
no…

no condoms, period, no artifical brith control… it is NEVER licit.

-D
BINGO!

Raphaela, are you planning to marry in the Catholic Church? If so, you will promise to accept children openly and lovingly. This means no more condoms.

Also, NFP should only be practiced in extreme circumstances, such as if there were sudden unemployment, illness, etc. Something that would render you unable to care for children. The very day you marry, you are to be open to all life. You should really be talking to a certifed NFP instructor to get all the information. Look at your parish bulletin, I’ll bet there’s at least one little blurb in there about it.

God bless!
 
yes it works!I’m 27 my DH is 26. I started out using the whole sympto-thermal method but then switched to my own methodology which is working fine =) I only go by mucus, cervix, and other fertility signs. I do have 2 kids and we do want more-- those kids werent ‘accidents’ they were times we knew I was fertile or could be fertile and ‘went for it’. I totally recommend starting NFP before you get married so you can have an easy time reading your signs without interrupting your marital relations. I believe CCLI and the books really tell you to abstain totally while learning NFP because seminal residue can confuse a beginer. They also tell you to learn NFP before getting married.

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–K
 
TKC~ Thanks for the info…I am getting married in a year so I think I have plenty of time to convince. My fiance HATES contraception but sees no other choice. He hated me being on the pill (I was for 3 years) because of the possible health effects, but I stupidly conviced him that it was fine. Now he thinks it’s fine…so now I have to convince him it’s not…oh well. We’ve discussed NFP before and he has many reservations. His main one is that it won’t work, or what if we do somethign wrong? He’s protestant and has been taught by his family that children shoudl come when they can be afforded…I’ll get that out of him yet. I know he wants to have children, I think he’s scared that he wouldn’t be a good father because of how he grew up. He also thinks that he’s not mature enough to be a father. He always says that if I were to get pregnant, he’d be fine with it, but he thinks that he is child enough for both of us. I’m sure all men feel that way. So basically, my job right now is to do lots of research on NFP to show him that it does work…before we get married!!

Sue~I don’t think I will be marrying in the catholic church. I’m not baptized even. By the time I am, I’ll already be married, unless something happens (I pray nothing does).
I’ll be married while I am in college. I will have absolutly no money until I’m done…does this allow for NFP? I’m basically living off $2 a month. I work but payign rent, phone, internet, groceries and tuitions and books (which will be paid for by loans), I don’t have any money for anything. My fiance has a large debt from college he still has to pay off. He has a good job but if we want our own apartment when we’re married (that’s a definite i think), we won’t have the money to support a child until I’m done school. Would NFP be allowed in this case?
 
Yes NFP “works.” We started using it when I was in my early 40’s (now 46.) We had artificially contracepted until then & I can tell you that the benefits of NFP on your relationship far outweigh the inconvenience of lack of spontenaity. You & your spouse wait in joyful expectation for each other & respect each other so much more fully based on the natural rhythms of life that God had instilled in you.
I think NFP couples have more children because they naturally become more open to life through NFP. I believe if we had known about it & begun it earlier in our marriage we would have been blessed with more than our two children… one of my few regrets, not being more open to life.
 
NFP is very effective. Any method allows for the possibility of pregnancy, whether it’s vasectomy, tubal ligation, the pill or NFP. Saying one person or other was a result of a particular method is not fair. Although, it does touch on the subject of how much a child feels “wanted” growing up. I’m learning this thorugh my niece who was born when her mother was just out of highschool.

With NFP being just as or more effective than other methods, what’s wrong with it? Some folks, as pointed out here, do not like the extra work NFP entails. Any other method will take time as well. You have to remember to take a pill (the actual use for most hormonal contraceptives is around 90%, read the fine print in the box), you need a box of condoms ready, etc. Charting takes no time. Mucus can easily be checked while using the restroom. After a few months it becomes habit. With the new digital thermometers, it takes 30 seconds or a minute to take a temperature ( you can be half a asleep or do morning prayers). Perhaps 10 seconds to chart on the graph. Maybe 30 seconds to chart in the evening mucus or cervix signs.

I very much appreciate naprous’s comments and honesty. My wife and I teach NFP and I point out in our class that fertility is a “couple” condition. One is not really fertile, it’s the two of you together. So who is to say that the wife should bear all the responsibility. Does that mean when the baby is born, she should do all the diaper changes too? That is not a lovely respect for your spouse. Husbands must be invovled because their “fertility” is invovled! To separate one’s self from that is not right.

There is no reason a husband shouldn’t know the rules. I hadn’t admitted to my wife until recently, but one aspect of NFP that attracted me to it was the fact that I can play a role. You see often episodes on TV or movies where the wife pruposely puts a hole in a diaphragm or stops taking hormonal contraceprtives because she desparately wants a child. Husband is pretty helpless, the wife is pretty selfish. Not a very loving situation. With NFP, it’s out in the open. You both must be honest with yourselves and to each other. If you dont’ want chidren, then why? Is she tired because she’s doing all the house work and a child would be too much stress? Is it becuase he wants to save money for a boat for three weekends a year when she doesn’t really like water?

My last point applies to the abstinence complaint as well. It’s wonderful to show how much you love your spouse with the marital embrace. But how loveing is it if it’s just an “urge” or “desire” or simply a mood? If it’s not a choice, then I say it doesn’t mean much. It’s just an activity and satisfies an itch, not a loving action as it was intended.

The bottom point is that NFP is “safe, healthy, and effective”. I have never found anything “negative” about NFP, despite students trying. All they realize is some of the challenges it can present, only because they havne’t looked at their spouse or fiancee with those loving eyes that originaly brought them together.

FInally, I recommend locating a tape or CD of “Contraception, Why Not?” from Janet Smith. This can be found at onemoresoul.com. She does a much more wonderful job at pointing out how NFP helps couples.

And dont’ worry, my wife was very skeptical at first. I was only aware of the general idea of NFP (not even the term NFP). She being a librarian, sent me to the public library with the theory I would learn myself there is no such thing. I’ll end it by saying, we’ve been married for 8 years, expecting our third (answered prayers) in two weeks, and have been teaching NFP for over a year simply because our friends kept asking why our marriage is so wonderful (their words).

Well, I don’t like long posts, but hopefully something was helpful. Good luck and let the Holy Spirit guide you and your future spouse.
 
Okay, shorter post!

raphaela, you mentioned your spouse believes one should only have children only if they are affordable. Perhaps the question you should ask, how much is a child worth? $100? $10,000? $50,000? A TV? A car? A bigger house?

I have a married couple friends who think the same. She earns more and has the health benefits and would lose those with children. But what is important to you? How about finding alternative health care? A different job? I realize not very easy answers, but I don’t think they even considered other options.

The happiest families I know are many children in a small house with very little of the “novelties” I find hard to live without.

Personally, “affordable” will never come. There’s alwasy something else.

On the other hand, the Church teaches prudence and if it’s not appropriate to bring a child into this world, then NFP is the best (and only) way. These reasons are between you, your spouse and God. Prayer is always helpful.
 
Rascal, thank you for your info!! Affordable is a bad term I know. He doesn’t necesarily believe that, it’s just what has been instilled in him since he was a kid. His parents had very little money when he was born, so he ended up concluding that his parents were poor because of him, which was not true. I know he wants to wait to have children until I’m done college, and i know both my parents and his parents want the same for us. So, I think, instead of BC or condoms, that NFP would make sense for many reasons, it’s cheaper and more intimate to name a few. He agrees it’s cheaper but doesn’t think it’s very effective, which is why I’m doing lots of research. Since you teach NFP maybe you could answer this question…in catholic teaching, would waiting until after college for financial reasons (extreme, I live of less then $2 a month) be reason to use NFP?
 
I’ve found that NFP also makes me more aware of what is going on in my body. I’m very attune to what’s going on, and am able to notice something different–a cold, etc. --right away. My sister was having problems concieving, and finally tried NFP. Just by looking at one month’s chart the CCC was able to suggest a possible deficiency in her system that took her ob/gyn 2 years to find (and it was found by the ob/gyn while the chart was in the mail!). Last time I talked to her, my sister dropped a few hints that makes it seem like it’s worked, and they are now expecting. All I can say is, thank God for NFP!
 
Raphaela, financial reasons, valid financial reasons are definitely cause for using NFP to delay having children. It is considered a grave circumstance.
I also was curious, if you don’t mind me asking, why you would not be married in a Catholic church. Are you Catholic? If you hope to recieve the sacrament of the Eucharist, you must be married in the Catholic church (or you can later have it blessed though obvioiusly it is best to marry in the church in the first place).
Blessings
D
 
catholicforlife, I’m not “catholic”. I am in thinking, but not actual part of the catholic church. I’ve never been baptised either. I actually called the nearest parish today to see about RCIA but there was no answer…I’ll try again later. It would be nice to marry in the catholic church but seeing as it takes 9 months or so to become catholic, I’ll be married by then…unless our plans change, which they very well might since our date isn’t set in stone. My fiance wouldn’t want to get married in a catholic church anyway. He’s very protestant, though he’s very respectful of my interest in catholicism, he even offers to take me to mass and stay there with me. His parents would definitley object to him getting married in a catholic church as would mine.

I’m not looking for easy ways around getting married in a catholic church. I know that is ideal. But, if everything goes as planned, i won’t be able to marry in the church. I may just get it blessed after becoming catholic. I know that sounds like i’m taking it for granted but I’m not. I would like to get married in the church, but so many things make it hard to do so. The next possible option is to have my marriage blessed. does that make sense?
 
Raphaela, have you considered finishing school before you get married? And perhaps getting baptized before you get married so it can be a sacrament from the very beginning? Very wise people have said if you’re not ready for kids, you’re not ready to be married. Having children early on helps you to grow in generosity as a couple. Waiting a long time sometimes leads to selfishness and skewed values.

These are meant only as points to ponder, not as a condemnation or criticism of what any couple decides to do in the privacy of their prayer.

Betsy
 
Raphaela: Just another suggestion. The best person to give you advice on if you are morally ok to use NFP is a priest. I know you’re not Catholic yet, but I’d be shocked if a good (one who believes in and follow’s the church’s “rules”) priest wouldn’t be happy to sit down with you and discuss the situation with you - especially since you are looking into RCIA. After all, Catholics believe that morality is not a “members-only” thing. Do you have any Catholic friends who can point you to a friendly, faithful priest who would give you good advice? Or if you want to divulge your location, you might get some recommendations on Churches in your area that will lead you the right way (unfortunately, there are some priests who will not 😦 ) I know it can be hard to approach the leader of another faith, but I think it would be worth it. And by the way, God Bless you for being so open to challenging your own reservations! 👍
TKC
 
thanks betsy. I’ve thought about that, and well, i don’t think i can wait any longer to get married. We’ve been together for 5 years, i don’t think we can wait another 3-4. So far, I’ve been with him longer than both my sisters marriages lasted combined. I know we are ready for marriage and IF i happen to get pregnant while I’m in college, that’s fine. I’m open to it. I don’t need to go to college, it’s just somethign I’m doing to fill my time really. I want to learn more science, that’s the point of it. So I am open to children, but it woudl be better for them if we waited until I was finished and they would be better supported. i just called the church about RCIA and found out that I will probably be baptised before I get married if i take it this year…that’s a plus!!!
 
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raphaela:
i just called the church about RCIA and found out that I will probably be baptised before I get married if i take it this year…that’s a plus!!!
Yaaaayyyyy!

Betsy
 
I’m having a hard time believing this…and i can’t think of any reason to convice my fiance either…he’s a condom guy like his protestant dad tought him to be. He doesn’t think its possible that this would work. He also thinks it’s too much work and takes the spontaneity out of intimacy…is this true? Does it really work as well as some claim? Is there any draw backs?

thanks
We have concieved 2 and hopefully more by using the Creighton Model method. We love it. We have never tried to not concieve, we have no reason to. We are open to life whenever God is willing. Our nurse practicioner told us in the very beginning, almost 5 years ago, that “You can use this method perfectly correctly, but it is the will of God that opens or closes the womb”. Scientifically, I believe that this method is extremely accurate. It does take time to learn it however. We were able to determine due to my charting that I had some low progesterone levels. If that had not been determined prior to the conception of our first child, we may have had difficulty getting pregnant and might not have carried her full term. The spontaneity is not an issue unless you are trying not to concieve. If that is the case then one needs to really examine the need to try and not concieve. As far as drawbacks go, I cannot think of any. Learning the method does take time and both the husband and wife need to work together. We have also been blessed with a superior nurse practicioner and our doctor is certified in the method as well. I will pray that you and your fiance can find your way to using an NFP method. It has done more for our marriage than just bringing us 2 beautiful daughters, it has brought us closer together, made us even more aware of how special the marital act is, made us realize how important being open to life is.

Blessings to you,

Jenny
 
Works very well, I had to use NFP to avoid when I took the Bar and awaited the results. No Pregnancy scares.
 
Limiting family size due to financial considerations is all right if those considerations are condusive to the benefit of the family as a whole.

Consider what it costs in tuition to send a child (two in our case) to a Catholic school. It’s pretty expensive, but we do it because it’s an investment in the child’s future and spiritual well being. If we had all the children we could, there would be no way for us to handle this situation from a financial point of view.

Unlike our ancestors, most modern families do not need to be large in number; there are no farm chores to be done and infant mortality rates are relatively low. Families today generate most of their income by offering their skill set in the marketplace. We are not as self-sufficient as a unit anymore, but rely upon an integrated economy to live. Apologies for diverting from the original thread…but the belief as to whether NFP itself should only be practiced in dire situations seems a bit unrealistic to us.
 
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darcee:
The number of children people who use NFP have is not an indicator of “failure” with NFP. People who use NFP usually are more open to children then those who are contracepting.

-D
I’ve known couples who’ve used NFP to get pregnant!🙂
 
If the ultimate fear is the effectiveness of NFP, here is a nice summary: ccli.org/nfp/effect1.shtml

In section 5, it discusses the “disconnect” between published results. I coincidently learned some of this through library research. Books with authors that were doctors at pharmeceutical companies always had different data than studies quoted in less popular books.

Just another resource.
 
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Charlemagne:
I’ve known couples who’ve used NFP to get pregnant!🙂
Yes, of course NFP can always be used to achieve pregnancy; we did this successfully twice. In fact, for those having trouble concieving, this method may significantly get results if done properly as the couple is now aware of fertile days in the cycle and can focus their passion there…
 
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