For those who were or are Evangelical. Is being saved more important than Baptism?

[EIF5A]

Not at all, EIF5A. The latter is something false, that Catholics do not proclaim. You can search our Catechism, which is the sure norm for our faith, and you will find no where that Catholics worship Mary.

And nowhere in Protestant beliefs does it say the Holy Trinity has been replaced with the individual conscience and the Bible.

That is insulting for you to even suggest, especially with your disparaging tone, although I’m sure being amongst your own Catholics brethren gives you a sense of safety.

 

[PRmerger]

And where does it say to replace God the Father and God the Son with “Me” and “the Bible”, as you insinuated with the “unholy trinity”?

Oh, right. You’re taking things out of context.

No, not out of context. I am just using nomenclature for a triad of concepts used by folks to justify their personal interpretations of Scripture.

I did not mean to make any reference to The One Holy Trinity.

Trinity can mean a generic term for triad.

 

[PRmerger]

And nowhere in Protestant beliefs does it say the Holy Trinity has been replaced with the individual conscience and the Bible.

That is insulting for you to even suggest, especially with your disparaging tone, although I’m sure being amongst your own Catholics brethren gives you a sense of safety.

Again, “Trinity” does not mean the Godhead. But rather a triad.

 

[PRmerger]

Certainly!

Equating the Holy Spirit as one in an unholy trinity is something one should not allude to or even joke about.

I suppose I just like to be as careful as possible when trying to explain how God can work through believers and His word and I would never equate any of that (Especially the Holy Spirit!) as anything unholy. Not even to prove a point.

As I said, be careful.

trinity ˈtrɪnɪtɪ]
n pl -ties

1. a group of three
2. the state of being threefold
   thefreedictionary.com/trinity

 

[PRmerger]

Catholics are not permitted to believe what I believe concerning baptism.

Right. And math students are also not permitted to call this a square.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...eJyZvWrD0x76BdbrIEbiO3RGBxL4OEUVexZqLZJ9lve7r

We are all bound by laws of truth.

 

[dronald]

trinity ˈtrɪnɪtɪ]
n pl -ties

1. a group of three
2. the state of being threefold
   thefreedictionary.com/trinity

Yes, that doesn’t bother me. Just that you put the Holy Spirit as one in an unholy trinity. I see where you’re coming from but you still shouldn’t joke or allude to it.

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, that doesn’t bother me. Just that you put the Holy Spirit as one in an unholy trinity. I see where you’re coming from but you still shouldn’t joke or allude to it.

I don’t see anything wrong with saying that some Christians have made an unholy triad of 'Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit."

Is there a Bible verse that you think supports your position that attaching the Holy Spirit to a false idea, while making the point that this is a false idea, is wrong?

 

[dronald]

I don’t see anything wrong with saying that some Christians have made an unholy triad of 'Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit."

Is there a Bible verse that you think supports your position that attaching the Holy Spirit to a false idea, while making the point that this is a false idea, is wrong?

I believe it’s the third commandment.

God bless!

 

[PRmerger]

I believe it’s the third commandment.

God bless!

If I said that it was a truth that the Holy Spirit is part of an unholy Trinity, then that would be a violation of the 3rd commandment.

However, you seem to be missing the part where I am objecting to this paradigm of believing that “Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit” is part of God’s plan.

Those who do believe in this are partaking in an unholy triad. It is NOT the way God mandated His Word be understood.

 

[dronald]

If I said that it was a truth that the Holy Spirit is part of an unholy Trinity, then that would be a violation of the 3rd commandment.

However, you seem to be missing the part where I am objecting to this paradigm of believing that “Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit” is part of God’s plan.

Those who do believe in this are partaking in an unholy triad. It is NOT the way God mandated His Word be understood.

You did say that the Holy Spirit is a part of an unholy trinity when it involves the belief that He can work through you while reading God’s word. No one can say for sure how the Holy Spirit works and moves through different believers at all times, therefore you should never equate the Holy Spirit with anything unholy, especially the belief that He could be working through believers reading the Bible.

I don’t even try to equate the Holy Spirit and how He can work with anything. I don’t dare try to say that I know how God works at all times in all ways, so it’s one thing to do that. It’s another thing to say the idea of the Holy Spirit working through a believer reading the Bible is an unholy trinity.

 

[PRmerger]

You did say that the Holy Spirit is a part of an unholy trinity when it involves the belief that He can work through you while reading God’s word.

No, dronald. I don’t believe that this is a trinity. I think it is FALSE.

There is no such thing as this unholy trinity of “Me, the Bible and the Holy Spirit.”

[SIGN1]It does not exist.[/SIGN1]

No one can say for sure how the Holy Spirit works and moves through different believers at all times, therefore you should never equate the Holy Spirit with anything unholy,

Amen!

especially the belief that He could be working through believers reading the Bible.

If it is in isolation of the Faith which gave you the Bible, and especially if this unholy triad offers an interpretation that is contrary to the One True Faith, then it is indeed NOT the Holy Spirit.

I don’t even try to equate the Holy Spirit and how He can work with anything. I don’t dare try to say that I know how God works at all times in all ways, so it’s one thing to do that. It’s another thing to say the idea of the Holy Spirit working through a believer reading the Bible is an unholy trinity.

If this person rejects the Church that gave him this Bible, then it is a false paradigm to claim one can access the Holy Spirit and come to a contrary position than the Church.

 

[AbideWithMe]

True, dat.

The unholy Trinity of “Me, the Holy Spirit and My Bible” has led to this monstrosity of tens of thousands of denominations, each proclaiming that their interpretations of Scripture are the correct ones.

Eek!

No, not out of context. I am just using nomenclature for a triad of concepts used by folks to justify their personal interpretations of Scripture.

I did not mean to make any reference to The One Holy Trinity.

Trinity can mean a generic term for triad.

Again, “Trinity” does not mean the Godhead. But rather a triad.

trinity ˈtrɪnɪtɪ]
n pl -ties

1. a group of three
2. the state of being threefold
   thefreedictionary.com/trinity

PRMerger–For the sake of trying to not walk away from CAF in disgust, for the sake of trying to stay engaged in dialogue, I’m going to confront you with something.

You wrote, as can be seen in the first quoted post here, “unholy Trinity”. You capitalized Trinity. I believe most people reading that, seeing the capitalization and “unholy”, would think you meant to refer to a contrast with the holy Trinity…not simply some generic triad or group of three as you later maintain.

I’m really, really, trying not to judge you and think the worst—the worst being a sense that maybe you realized too late that you grossly crossed a line with your “unholy Trinity” comment, and then tried to back-peddle. I honestly feel bad for even being suspicious that you might have done this backpeddling. I’m sorry. And so I’m asking you outright—you truly had no intention at all to associate the “unholy Trinity” with the holy Trinity? Really?

 

[PRmerger]

PRMerger–For the sake of trying to not walk away from CAF in disgust, for the sake of trying to stay engaged in dialogue, I’m going to confront you with something.

You wrote, as can be seen in the first quoted post here, “unholy Trinity”. You capitalized Trinity. I believe most people reading that, seeing the capitalization and “unholy”, would think you meant to refer to a contrast with the holy Trinity…not simply some generic triad or group of three as you later maintain.

I’m really, really, trying not to judge you and think the worst—the worst being a sense that maybe you realized too late that you grossly crossed a line with your “unholy Trinity” comment, and then tried to back-peddle. I honestly feel bad for even being suspicious that you might have done this backpeddling. I’m sorry. And so I’m asking you outright—you truly had no intention at all to associate the “unholy Trinity” with the holy Trinity? Really?

I appreciate your wanting to clarify. And your desire to not judge me.

There is no such thing as a Trinity of “Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit”.

It does not exist.

If I said, Muslims proclaim that Jesus is not God Incarnate but only a man, but in doing this, they are proclaiming a false doctrine…

would you be accusing me of blaspheming Jesus?

Or would you understand that I am saying, “This is what a group of people believe. But it is not true because Jesus as just a man does not exist!”

 

[PRmerger]

I’m really, really, trying not to judge you and think the worst—the worst being a sense that maybe you realized too late that you grossly crossed a line with your “unholy Trinity” comment, and then tried to back-peddle. I honestly feel bad for even being suspicious that you might have done this backpeddling. I’m sorry. And so I’m asking you outright—you truly had no intention at all to associate the “unholy Trinity” with the holy Trinity? Really?

And just to be clear that there is no backpedaling, here are a multitude of times in which I have used this argument regarding an Unholy Trinity, and not a single time have I ever been called to task for using the phrase.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9224212
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10750011
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9654698
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9243367
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=8419392
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9243367

 

[Porknpie]

Right. And math students are also not permitted to call this a square.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...eJyZvWrD0x76BdbrIEbiO3RGBxL4OEUVexZqLZJ9lve7r

We are all bound by laws of truth.

“Right”

 

[EIF5A]

I appreciate your wanting to clarify. And your desire to not judge me.

There is no such thing as a Trinity of “Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit”.

It does not exist.

If I said, Muslims proclaim that Jesus is not God Incarnate but only a man, but in doing this, they are proclaiming a false doctrine…

would you be accusing me of blaspheming Jesus?

Or would you understand that I am saying, “This is what a group of people believe. But it is not true because Jesus as just a man does not exist!”

Of course it does not exist. So why would you even suggest that Protestants believe in a such a “trinity”? You’re just extrapolating and twisting things.

The entire premise is not logical. How can trying to understand the Bible by asking the Holy Spirit for guidance be replacing the Father and the Son? Does this mean the Catholic Church is “Magisterium, the Holy Spirit, and the Virgin Mary”? No!

Apples and gemstones.

It is a gross misrepresentation at best, and at worst, a libelous and offensive charge.

 

[PRmerger]

Of course it does not exist. So why would you even suggest that Protestants believe in a such a “trinity”?

Because of website such as the ones I referenced in post #194.

Are you really going to say that there are not Christians who believe that all they need is the Holy Spirit and their Bible and they’re good to go?

 

[Jon_S_1]

Of course it does not exist. So why would you even suggest that Protestants believe in a such a “trinity”? You’re just extrapolating and twisting things.

The entire premise is not logical. How can trying to understand the Bible by asking the Holy Spirit for guidance be replacing the Father and the Son? Does this mean the Catholic Church is “Magisterium, the Holy Spirit, and the Virgin Mary”? No!

Apples and gemstones.

It is a gross misrepresentation at best, and at worst, a libelous and offensive charge.

As an observer who doesn’t want to get in the middle, just sharing my observation.

I don’t believe that PRMerger was saying Protestants don’t believe in the holy trinity.

He was simply saying they have an erroneous three part formula of authority. Individual bible and Holy Spirit.

I am confident he knows you believe in the trinity.

 

[PRmerger]

The entire premise is not logical. How can trying to understand the Bible by asking the Holy Spirit for guidance be replacing the Father and the Son?

Ah, I see where your umbrage lies.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am advocating that there’s been some sort of replacement of the Triune God with this paradigm: me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit?

I can assure you that I have never made any such claim.

Replacing/replacement/substitution was never part of a single post I made in this thread.

 

[PRmerger]

As an observer who doesn’t want to get in the middle, just sharing my observation.

I don’t believe that PRMerger was saying Protestants don’t believe in the holy trinity.

He was simply saying they have an erroneous three part formula of authority. Individual bible and Holy Spirit.

I am confident he knows you believe in the trinity.

'zactly.

And I am confident that he knows I know he believes in the Trinity.