Ford Motor Company Supports Homosexual Marriage Movement

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TPJCatholic:
Actually, I think Ford is in far more vulberable position then DQ. They are only one two domestic car makers left, and they are not known for making great products (except for maybe their truck line). Their profit margins are always being cut into by the Japanese autos. They cannot afford to lose any customers.
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I’ll take your word for it.

Then, why isn’t the Church organizing the boycott? It can’t be accused of interfering in the political process. The bishops could make a simple purchasing “suggestion” to all to avoid all Ford (or whomever’s) products.
 
richardols,

You make a good point…why doesn’t the Church get more involved? Sadly, I think that they wrongly feel it is a crossing of the line of Church and State to organize things like boycoots. Besides, there are probably plenty of clergy who own Fords.
 
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Richardols:
It seems to me that selling the cars was pointless as Ford already made its profit from them and had the discretionary amounts available to give to PP.
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I think that was farily noble seeing as they probably took a hit financially. I wish I had the courage to do likewise - not there yet. However, rest assured, I will be investigating the next time I make a purchase.
 
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Richardols:
A point to whom? If they had refused to buy a new Ford, it would have hit Ford in the pocket. But, by selling their car used? Just like millions of people do every day?

Did they think someone was going to say, “I hear the folks down the block sold their Explorer. Must have been to protest Ford’s social agenda.”
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It stops them from advertising for Ford. It aligns their beliefs with their actions more suitably. Kind of like Catholics voting for pro-life politicians.
 
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Richardols:
Dairy Queen is a lot, lot weaker than Ford and was far more susceptible to pressure.

Directly supporting murder? If you put it that way, of course not.

Like a brewery or distillery?
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I’m wondering about a question kinda asked earlier in this thread.
It’s entirely possible, or could become possible, that an entire industry necessary to living in the society in this day and age could be donating to support the gay movement, or planned parenthood, or whatever. What would you do then?

Say Microsoft and Apple both support or come to support the gay agenda. I need a computer for work and for school. What would I do then? Would all Catholics have to become recluses in the hills because they couldn’t use computers anymore?

There has been presented in this thread a whole laundry list of “pro-death” corporations. However, unless I missed something here, Domino’s, DQ, and ExxonMobil are the only three companies that might be pro-life. And it’s convenient that the list of pro-death corporations they give for free, but to find out what the pro-life ones are you have to pay $25 + shipping and handling.

I’m Catholic, I submit this with respect, but it just seems like if my back is in the corner, and it may be or become impossible for me to do anything about it. (Example, I am going to need a computer). So I’ll pray, but I would still buy a computer even if both MS and Apple supported the gay agenda.

If there’s nothing else you can do, there’s nothing else you can do. So I won’t worry about it. If that’s what they want to do with their money, there’s nothing I am going to be able to do about it.
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rep,

As I have stated many times, we are called to do what we can and to take alternatives if they are there. Obviously we are not going to be able to break away from Windows anytime soon, so that is one of things that we cannot do anything about, other then written protests and prayer. However, in the case of buying an auto, there are many good choices.

It strikes me that if several large companies were to experience great pain because of what they support, then some of the other large companies might drop their support before it hits them…the old snowball rolling down hill bit…
 
Hi guys!

I don’t see anything inherently wrong in boycotting Ford because one disagrees with their social policies. That is the way a free market is supposed to work. What manner and how severe the nature of the boycott should be are another question. Should I sell a Ford vehicle that was made in a model year when the company did not have such a gay-friendly agenda? Should the decision of such a company not to automatically terminate the employment of a homosexual similarly effect my purchasing decision?

The point I was trying to make is that it’s very easy to become overly scrupulous to the point of sin when one talks of blindly boycotting a company or organization who’s world outlook does not exactly match our own. Is it necessarily an endorsement of homosexual activity for a soup kitchen to feed or give drink to a homosexual? For a store to sell him clothing? For a landlord to rent a room or for a mortgage company to provide him with a loan for a house? To visit the homosexual in the hospital who is wasting away from AIDS and still unrepentant? To visit a homosexual sex offender? How about providing a funeral and burying such a man?
 
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TPJCatholic:
rep,

As I have stated many times, we are called to do what we can and to take alternatives if they are there. Obviously we are not going to be able to break away from Windows anytime soon, so that is one of things that we cannot do anything about, other then written protests and prayer. However, in the case of buying an auto, there are many good choices.

It strikes me that if several large companies were to experience great pain because of what they support, then some of the other large companies might drop their support before it hits them…the old snowball rolling down hill bit…
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I agree with that. As another example though, and this is true-life for me, I’m starting Ph.D. studies soon at a Canadian university. It seems to me that all Canadian universities that have the program I’m studying in, are very supportive of the homosexual lifestyle. Plus, this particular university has a good lab I’ve been accepted to and is within a day’s drive to my home in the U.S. I really want to move to Canada to study there… I feel that my tuition dollars, by and large, especially as a Ph.D. student, would go to the fund the education I am receiving and not in support of their support programs for homosexuals. If not, there wouldn’t be any other schools that have my program without the homosexual-support stuff. So again, I feel I just have to pray.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Other Eric,

How do the other car makers stack up?
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Hi TPJCatholic!

The answer is that I have no idea right now. I’ve seen anecdotal evidence that the culture in Japan might be more affirming than we are here, but I don’t know this for sure and I don’t know that it effects their companies’ human resources departments or philanthropy.
 
Other Eric:
Hi guys!

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The point I was trying to make is that it’s very easy to become overly scrupulous to the point of sin when one talks of blindly boycotting a company or organization who’s world outlook does not exactly match our own. Is it necessarily an endorsement of homosexual activity for a soup kitchen to feed or give drink to a homosexual? For a store to sell him clothing? For a landlord to rent a room or for a mortgage company to provide him with a loan for a house? To visit the homosexual in the hospital who is wasting away from AIDS and still unrepentant? To visit a homosexual sex offender? How about providing a funeral and burying such a man?
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We are not talking about blindly boycotting. I asked about non-US carmakers. Perhpas there are ones that do not promote the immoral homosexual agenda.

The questions you raise are red herrings. It is wrong to not provide a legal and moral product or service to someone because he/she is a practicing homosexual. But the question with Ford has nothing to do with their main product. It has to do with what they do with the money. When they are promoting the immoral homosexual agenda (i.e. homosexual “marriage”, homosexual “families” as normal etc.), they are doing a wrong equally as bad as discrimination. In fact, they are discrimiating against Christianity.
 
Other Eric,

I agree with Brad’s last message, he said it better then I would have.
There is no plan to blindly boycott.
 
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rep1867:
I agree with that. As another example though, and this is true-life for me, I’m starting Ph.D. studies soon at a Canadian university. It seems to me that all Canadian universities that have the program I’m studying in, are very supportive of the homosexual lifestyle. Plus, this particular university has a good lab I’ve been accepted to and is within a day’s drive to my home in the U.S. I really want to move to Canada to study there… I feel that my tuition dollars, by and large, especially as a Ph.D. student, would go to the fund the education I am receiving and not in support of their support programs for homosexuals. If not, there wouldn’t be any other schools that have my program without the homosexual-support stuff. So again, I feel I just have to pray.
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What a nightmare. Perhpas they should be really supportive of history. Then they could make the connection that being really supportive of the homosexual lifestyle means going out of business shortly.
 
I plan to boycott Ford because my Contour has been a hunk o’ junk. It’s been in for about 6 recalls. All kinds of stuff started to break right after the warranty was up. A poorly engineered car.

I think the US automakers, especially Ford, got too caught up with selling 2-3 year leases, corporate fleet cars, cars to rental agencies, and other situations where the car only needs to run for a few years. And the depreciation is just huge - my 7-year-old Ford with 62,000 miles has a resale vale of barely $1000.

If they’re also supporting homosexual marriage on top of making inferior products, well that’s another reason not to buy Ford. But the inferior product is really the killer.
 
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Brad:
We are not talking about blindly boycotting. I asked about non-US carmakers. Perhpas there are ones that do not promote the immoral homosexual agenda.

The questions you raise are red herrings. It is wrong to not provide a legal and moral product or service to someone because he/she is a practicing homosexual. But the question with Ford has nothing to do with their main product. It has to do with what they do with the money. When they are promoting the immoral homosexual agenda (i.e. homosexual “marriage”, homosexual “families” as normal etc.), they are doing a wrong equally as bad as discrimination. In fact, they are discrimiating against Christianity.
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Hi Brad!

Why would it not be moral to deny a practicing homosexual a legal or moral product if he refuses to renounce his lifestyle? It could be argued that to do so would more pungently illustrate to the homosexual that the lifestyle he is leading is gravely sinful. Moreover, if his lifestyle is ultimately destructive to society, then taking steps to separate him from society and the goods and services that it produces based on his behavior could be seen to be a moral obligation and a work of charity.
 
Other Eric:
Hi Brad!

Why would it not be moral to deny a practicing homosexual a legal or moral product if he refuses to renounce his lifestyle? It could be argued that to do so would more pungently illustrate to the homosexual that the lifestyle he is leading is gravely sinful. Moreover, if his lifestyle is ultimately destructive to society, then taking steps to separate him from society and the goods and services that it produces based on his behavior could be seen to be a moral obligation and a work of charity.
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You cannot commit a sin to punish a sinner. This is exactly the line of distinction that Jesus’ drew. He did not discriminate against sinners. He welcomed them. On the other hand, He did not say what they did was right but that they needed to repent.
If we turn our backs on sinners, we turn our back on ourselves. Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
 
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