Ford Motor Company Supports Homosexual Marriage Movement

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richardols,

I used an example that seems extreme on purpose. Most people really do not think that abortion is murder…yet that is exactly what it is. Likewise, most people do not think society is harmed by the so-called homosexual agenda…yet it is.
 
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swiss gaurd,

If we have a reasonable alternative, we should shop elsewhere.

Tell me, if Cook County Hospital was in the side business of selling illegal drugs to minors within cook country schools, and they purchased the drugs by using tax money from cook county gas stations…would you still purchase gas at those stations?

The problme here is Catholics do not take these matters seriously. If we step outside ourselves at look at the bigger picture through an analogy like the drug sale analogy, sometimes we can reach different conclusions.

Same sex marriage is either wrong or it is not.
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First of all, I purchase gas in DuPage County. The only time I purchase gas in Cook County is if the needle is on ‘E’ and I’m too far from one of the bordering counties.
You may want to contact Francis Cardinal George and the auxiliary bishops of the Archdiocese of Chicago and ask them why they purchase gas in Cook County. You may also ask Cardinal George why he doesn’t close all Catholic schools in Cook County, since Catholic schools pay Cook County tax.
**I agree if a reasonable alternative is available we should support those retailers. However, unless you can provide a document issued by the Vatican or from a bishop stating that shopping at a place that gives money to Planned Parenthood or promotes an agenda contrary to the Catholic faith is sinful, you cannot claim it is sinful. **
 
Swiss Guard,

Tell me, if Cook County Hospital was in the side business of selling illegal drugs to minors within cook country schools, and they purchased the drugs by using tax money from cook county gas stations…would you still purchase gas at those stations?

Indirectly supporting sinful behaivor is not always sinful and I never said that it would be a sin to buy gas in cook county. The point is really about making choices. Do we want to advance a more moral culture, or do we ignore the culture and do whatever we please?

If Cardinal George has alternatives and does not take them, that is his choice. If he has no real alternatives, then there is no problem.
 
We are all forced by law to pay taxes even if those taxes helf fund a government that chooses to advocate immoral causes. We are not forced to buy goods or services from a company that financially supports immoral causes. There is a big difference.

We can boycott companies/corporations by not showing our patronage to them and letting them know why. We can change the way our government chooses to spend our tax dollars by electing pro-life and pro-family candidates and voting the same way.
 
Swiss Guard:
I hope people realize that both Target and Wal-Mart give to Planned Parenthood. Should we not shop there anymore? What are we to do if we live in an area and all retail outlets give money to organizations such as Planned Parenthood.

I would not discourage anyone from boycotting Ford because of this practice, but I also wouldn’t call someone morally complicit in promoting the homosexual agenda for buying a Ford.
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Some of the world’s finest rugs are made by child slaves are we being morally complicit when we buy these imported rugs?
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Some of the world’s finest rugs are made by child slaves are we being morally complicit when we buy these imported rugs?
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I’m more interested in your answer to this question:
Swiss Guard:
I hope people realize that both Target and Wal-Mart give to Planned Parenthood. Should we not shop there anymore?

Maybe someone can compile a list for me of all the companies that are NOT connected directly or indirectly to morally objectionable activity? I would think that it wouldn’t take long, afterall the list can’t be that long. Can it?
 
John Joseph:
Maybe someone can compile a list for me of all the companies that are NOT connected directly or indirectly to morally objectionable activity? I would think that it wouldn’t take long, afterall the list can’t be that long. Can it?
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Excellent point! We already know that many companies contribute to both parties at election time. Could there be some who donate both to Right-To-Life AND Planned Parenthood? I’d be surprised if there aren’t.
 
During the last election fiasco, the Bishops said one can vote for a Democrat as long as they arent voting for that Democrat because of thier pro choice stance.

The Church never tells its members that they cannot vote for Demcrats… I find it amusing that members think they are speaking for the Church by basically accusing other members that if they buy Fords, etc… they are sinning cause Ford is involved with xyz group…The Vatican doesnt dare issues declarations like that, but members here will holy roll about how another catholic is complicit cause they buy things from companies that donate to non catholic causes. As long as I dont buy a product from a company soley because of their donanting practices that may be anti catholic, I am gulit free and that eucharist goes down without any problems at all for me. The day the Catholic Church tells me I cannot own a pair of Levis, eat Kraft food products, enjoy a Dairy Queen Ice Cream, or drive any model car I wish is the day I leave the Catholic Church.
 
Shroudman,

So if the Church gave you a direct order that you did not like, you would just up and leave the Church? (that is a very interesting position)

You are ignoring the letters and statements by some American Bishops stating that it is wrong to vote for pro-choice candidates…you are also ignoring the statements from our current Holy Father when he was Cardinal Ratzinger and had said that politicians who are pro-choice should not receive communion.
 
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TPJCatholic:
You are ignoring the letters and statements by some American Bishops stating that it is wrong to vote for pro-choice candidates
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The operative word there is “some.” I know that what you said is true. I also know that prior to the last election some American bishops said that one can vote for a pro-choice candidate as long as the reasons for the vote was NOT the pro-choice position.
 
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TPJCatholic:
you are also ignoring the statements from our current Holy Father when he was Cardinal Ratzinger and had said that politicians who are pro-choice should not receive communion.
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I believe that Shroudman was talking about himself, and he didn’t say that he’s a politician. Your remark is, of course, true otherwise.
 
Shroudman,

What is wrong with buying a different brand of car?

What is wrong with buying jeans not made by Levi?

What is wrong with eating food not made by Kraft?

What is wrong with making any small sacrifice like the above?

All of the choices can be replaced by equal or better choices. Ford vehicles can easily be placed by twenty other car makers. There are tons of jeans makers, there are certainly more food options other then kraft, etc…so why would you think there is something wrong with using your money in a way that also has at least a small chance of improving the culture?

Vatican II taught that every Catholic has a personal call to holiness right where they are in their lives. What better way is there to meet that call then to look for ways to send messages to our culture? It certainly does not hurt you, and it might work if enough people join you (the Dairy Queen example is a testimony to that).
 
richardols,

I agree, yet if those statements are true for Catholic politicians, then they are true for us as well.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Shroudman,

What is wrong with buying a different brand of car?

What is wrong with buying jeans not made by Levi?

What is wrong with eating food not made by Kraft?

What is wrong with making any small sacrifice like the above?

All of the choices can be replaced by equal or better choices. Ford vehicles can easily be placed by twenty other car makers. There are tons of jeans makers, there are certainly more food options other then kraft, etc…so why would you think there is something wrong with using your money in a way that also has at least a small chance of improving the culture?

Vatican II taught that every Catholic has a personal call to holiness right where they are in their lives. What better way is there to meet that call then to look for ways to send messages to our culture? It certainly does not hurt you, and it might work if enough people join you (the Dairy Queen example is a testimony to that).
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The problem I have with this is where, as Catholics seeking “a personal call to holiness”, do we draw the line? I could go a step farther and say that we, as Catholics seeking “a personal call to holiness”, should investigate ALL companies that we do business with on a daily basis. I don’t, do you? Should we?

Getting back to Ford. Lets say Ford buys all of it’s widgets from ABC Inc. ABC Inc. is owned and operated by an ultra conservative Catholic who donates a large sum of the companies profits to Catholic Relief Services. Furthermore, a great many of his employees are also heavily involved in Catholic charities as well as the local Parish. Ford is ABC Incs. ONLY customer. So basically, hurting Ford hurts ABC Inc. Should I still boycott Ford?

Again, where do we draw the line?
 
Didn’t read the whole thread, so I could be a bit off-target.

Ford sponsors quite a bit of what Catholics would find objectionable.
The Ford Foundation is one of the biggest contributors to Planned Parenthood, so much so that when I brought this up to my neighbors and they researched it themselves, they sold both of their Fords and bought something else.

While the Ford Foundation isn’t the motor company, it gets the vast majority of their funds from their profit.
 
John Joseph,

I feel we should draw line at what we actually know. Since we now know that Ford is supporting sinful behaivor, we cannot then pretend as if we do not know.
 
Exxon/Mobil has rejected the homosexual agenda–that is a good example of a huge company that has made a moral choice.
 
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ichabod:
While the Ford Foundation isn’t the motor company, it gets the vast majority of their funds from their profit.
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Does the Ford Motor Company contribute its profits to the Ford Foundation, or does the Ford Foundation own a lot of Ford stock?
 
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