Forecaster Blasts Gore on Global Warming

[vern_humphrey]

Don’t you know? It is all Bush’s fault!!! Everything else is.

Dang that George Bush! He invented the sun roof, so indians could chase down mammoths in their SUVs and spear them by standing on the consol.

Gol dang him, anyway!!

 

[estesbob]

True. And let’s keep in mind that about 30 years ago, scientists were declaring that we were heading into a new ice age.

Also, about 30-40 years ago, the Left manufactured the overpopulation scare to promote their agenda of contraception and abortion (which frankly worked and has caused people to accept both as sovereign and holy rights).

Oh yeah, and Y2K was going to shut down the world.

Isnt it interesting that the “solution” to “Global warming” just happens to be insituting the same far left , socialistic agenda the Left has been pushing for years?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Isnt it interesting that the “solution” to “Global warming” just happens to be insituting the same far left , socialistic agenda the Left has been pushing for years?

What we have is a textbook case of a solution in search of a problem. If a comet were headed straight for the earth, they’d tell us we could avoid it by contraception, unlimited abortion, gay marriage and banning SUVs.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Isnt it interesting that the “solution” to “Global warming” just happens to be insituting the same far left , socialistic agenda the Left has been pushing for years?

Ummmm… well… sort of … I guess … yeah … actually …

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

What we have is a textbook case of a solution in search of a problem. If a comet were headed straight for the earth, they’d tell us we could avoid it by contraception, unlimited abortion, gay marriage and banning SUVs.

And FOX News.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Here is an abstract; the source is a subscription, so I’m posting the whole abstract.

In summary, global warming may be due to undersea volcanic emissions.

The accompanying paper, Climate Change is Nothing New, is being published in the March 2007 issue of the journal, New Concepts in Global Tectonics. junkscience.com/apr07/EndersbeeReprint.pdf
“I was invited to prepare the paper by the Editor as a scientific response to the IPCC report, Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, Summary for Policy Makers, issued by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, February 2007. The paper can also be regarded as a response to the movie by Al Gore, and to the report on carbon trading by the London financier, Sir Nicholas Stern.”

The key points of the paper are:" (Emeritus Professor Lance Endersbee)
New Concepts in Global Tectonics Newsletter, no. 42, March, 2007

CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOTHING NEW!

Lance ENDERSBEE

124 Overport Road, Frankston, Victoria 3199, Australia

endersbee@optusnet.com.au

Abstract: Since 1750 the electromagnetic radiation of the Sun has increased significantly, as indicated by the sunspot record. This increased electromagnetic radiation is considered by the author and others to be the real cause of global warming. The examination of the annual temperature records of the northern and southern hemispheres shows a sharp change and major increases since 1978, especially in the northern hemisphere. This is the so-called hockey stick effect, which the author concludes is not due to the influence of Man, and probably due to a change in the geothermal regime of heat flow from the fracture zones in the floor of the northern oceans. There is some confirmation of this in recent sea floor explorations. The role of atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane is considered in relation to claims that emissions by Man are causing global warming. It is shown that the increased warming is due to the Sun, and that the consequent warming of the oceans is causing the ex-solution of carbon dioxide and methane from the oceans, simply due to the decreasing solubility of these gases in sea water with increasing ocean temperatures. The extensive exploitation of groundwater around the world over the past century, at rates far in excess of possible recharge, has created a net addition to the hydrosphere commensurate with the apparent rise in sea levels over the past century. There is deadly pollution in the atmosphere over many world cities and industrial regions. These are local and regional matters, and should be corrected at the sources of pollution. Air pollution and global warming are scientifically separate matters.

 

[master_catholic]

And let’s face it… that’s what the Left really wants – Control. And so far, they’ve been very good at chipping away democracy bit by bit, using the court system (among others) to thwart democracy.

Liberals are nothing more than reorganized communists! They brainwash public schoolchildren from age 6 and on with homosexual propaganda, they impose their communist will upon the people through the supreme court, and more, without any regard to the will of the people.

They’ll care only so much to remain in office, otherwise, I’m sure they’ll want us to become the next big-time communist country if they could. They truely don’t respect anything but power, and power only for themselves. Star Wars Darth Vader theme music cue

Now for the people who aren’t really liberal at heart and are just simply misguided, there is hope especially for them, but only if we do our part and to tell them the truth that the liberal media will not let them hear.

 

[Riley259]

I know that climate has changed over the centuries. After all, Greenland (currently under a glacier) was once a place where grapes grew. Back in the 18th century, the Thames used to freeze almost every winter. I think we are in a period where the earth is warming. But Algore and others like him seem to place ALL the blame on mankind’s activities.

Meanwhile he and his wife have 3 homes, jet all over the place and solemly tell me (one small home, one small car, have never flown in my life) that I must do MY part. Other than beating my dirty clothes clean on a rock by the river, I don’t know what else I could do.

You could listen to Sheryl Crowe and use just one square of toilet paper per bathroom visit…NOT!

 

[Al_Masetti]

Liberals are nothing more than reorganized communists! They brainwash public schoolchildren from age 6 and on with homosexual propaganda, they impose their communist will upon the people through the supreme court, and more, without any regard to the will of the people.

They’ll care only so much to remain in office, otherwise, I’m sure they’ll want us to become the next big-time communist country if they could. They truely don’t respect anything but power, and power only for themselves. Star Wars Darth Vader theme music cue

Now for the people who aren’t really liberal at heart and are just simply misguided, there is hope especially for them, but only if we do our part and to tell them the truth that the liberal media will not let them hear.

Have you heard the one about the “watermelon”?

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

Liberals are nothing more than reorganized communists! They brainwash public schoolchildren from age 6 and on with homosexual propaganda, they impose their communist will upon the people through the supreme court, and more, without any regard to the will of the people.

i totally agree. they see the family as a bourgeois institution and are hell bent on its demise. that’s why liberals want the state to run our lives. they are so selfish that become mentally deranged and sick.

the homosexual agenda is horrible. just tonight i watched a bit of barbra walters and some 3rd grade “transgendered” boy with sicko supporting parents. then i had to sit through some flaming gay guy on jay leno’s show and before that will and grace. i only have basic cable.

the popular media is the devil’s way of vomiting filth on our country. their environmentalism is another sign of mental sickness. it’s the misplaced guilt of materialism.

this dictatorship of relativism is getting worse. us men need to take this country back from the baby killing feminist and homosexuals. we need to put these sickos in thier place. i think blame is entirely on the men of this country who are too scared to confront them. women listen to men. God made us physically stronger for a reason. we need to defend the family and the natural law, even if we have to lay down our lives.

 

[Riley259]

i totally agree. they see the family as a bourgeois institution and are hell bent on its demise. that’s why liberals want the state to run our lives. they are so selfish that become mentally deranged and sick.

the homosexual agenda is horrible. just tonight i watched a bit of barbra walters and some 3rd grade “transgendered” boy with sicko supporting parents. then i had to sit through some flaming gay guy on jay leno’s show and before that will and grace. i only have basic cable.

the popular media is the devil’s way of vomiting filth on our country. their environmentalism is another sign of mental sickness. it’s the misplaced guilt of materialism.

this dictatorship of relativism is getting worse. us men need to take this country back from the baby killing feminist and homosexuals. we need to put these sickos in thier place. i think blame is entirely on the men of this country who are too scared to confront them. women listen to men. God made us physically stronger for a reason. we need to defend the family and the natural law, even if we have to lay down our lives.

Your language is strong but I do agree that it’s getting bad out there and thus the future provokes some anxiety.

 

[simonadams]

The facts remain that human activity HAS changed the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere significantly, and that CO2 can be easily shown to act like glass does in a greenhouse. You have to prove (or at least explain) where that extra EM radiation is going if you want to claim the increased CO2 is not affecting the global climate.

The pro life attitude should be one of being responsible and making sensible efforts to limit the harm predicted for the poor of the world. Surely ?

 

[vern_humphrey]

The facts remain that human activity HAS changed the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere significantly, and that CO2 can be easily shown to act like glass does in a greenhouse. You have to prove (or at least explain) where that extra EM radiation is going if you want to claim the increased CO2 is not affecting the global climate.

The pro life attitude should be one of being responsible and making sensible efforts to limit the harm predicted for the poor of the world. Surely ?

The pro life attitude should be one of being responsible and making sensible efforts to limit the harm that would be caused the poor of the world by the panic reactions being recommended to “halt global warming.”

 

[simonadams]

The pro life attitude should be one of being responsible and making sensible efforts to limit the harm that would be caused the poor of the world by the panic reactions being recommended to “halt global warming.”

What “harm” ? The UK economy as a whole has grown by over 25% since 1997, but our greenhouse gas emissions have been cut by 8%. Its all done by simple measures that don’t harm anyone. In fact it means developing new technologies that are going to be necessary anyway once the crude oil starts running dry. And for developing countries it makes even more sense to move directly to more efficient technologies directly - hence saving money and limiting the damage global warming will cause to themselves.

Most of this nonsense about using energy more efficiently as being “panic reactions” etc comes directly from US NGO’s funded by companies like Exon. Why not get behind the Pope and the Vatican instead ?

 

[vern_humphrey]

What “harm” ? The UK economy as a whole has grown by over 25% since 1997, but our greenhouse gas emissions have been cut by 8%. Its all done by simple measures that don’t harm anyone. In fact it means developing new technologies that are going to be necessary anyway once the crude oil starts running dry. And for developing countries it makes even more sense to move directly to more efficient technologies directly - hence saving money and limiting the damage global warming will cause to themselves.

So tell me, how is the Third World doing these days?

Most of this nonsense about using energy more efficiently as being “panic reactions” etc comes directly from US NGO’s funded by companies like Exon.

Proof?
simonadams;2161216:

Why not get behind the Pope and the Vatican instead ?

Do you say His Holiness has prnounced ex cathedra that “global warming” is caused by “greenhouse gasses?”

 

[simonadams]

So tell me, how is the Third World doing these days?

In parts, such as the far east, pretty well in general. In parts, such as Africa, not so well in general. What is the relevance of your question ?

Most of this nonsense about using energy more efficiently as being “panic reactions” etc comes directly from US NGO’s funded by companies like Exon.

Proof?

All over the place. Here is somewhere to start → environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn10888-report-singles-out-exxonmobil-over-climate-scepticism-.html

Then look at supposedly independent groups like The Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy in Maryland etc etc

Do you say His Holiness has prnounced ex cathedra that “global warming” is caused by “greenhouse gasses?”

No of course not. When has the Church ever done so on a matter like that ?

 

[Eschato]

The facts remain that human activity HAS changed the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere significantly, and that CO2 can be easily shown to act like glass does in a greenhouse. ?

Yes, but the sulfur compounds that we create act as mirrors that would reflect the sun’s rays… A single volcano could erupt in 5 minutes and the earths temperature could drop 40 degrees in 3 months. That’s what happened the last time a huge amount of pollutant gas was emitted. I’m not convinced with the whole CO2 thing, obviously.

 

[simonadams]

Yes, but the sulfur compounds that we create act as mirrors that would reflect the sun’s rays… A single volcano could erupt in 5 minutes and the earths temperature could drop 40 degrees in 3 months. That’s what happened the last time a huge amount of pollutant gas was emitted. I’m not convinced with the whole CO2 thing, obviously.

Yes the effects of volcanoes are massive in terms of their effects on climate. But that’s not the point. These guys at Oxford have looked into all possible correlations and its pretty clear;

"…For instance, changes in volcanic activity can explain most, if not all, of the climate change in the last millennium that has been attributed solely to solar influence. Correlation with solar activity does not mean causation, especially when several different factors can influence climate. Both the Maunder minimum and the early 19th-century reductions in solar activity were associated with periods of increased volcanic activity. The latter includes the 1816 Tambora eruption, associated with the “year without a summer”.

While some studies show a considerable link between solar activity and climate, most studies that include all potentially relevant factors find a much smaller solar contribution. Recent research by scientists at many institutions around the world, including ourselves, suggests that the sun may have made a detectable contribution to global warming in the early 20th century, but hasn’t done so since 1950. Human and volcanic influences have swamped it since then…"

From here → newscientist.com/article/mg19225740.500-the-sun-wont-save-us.html

 

[vern_humphrey]

In parts, such as the far east, pretty well in general. In parts, such as Africa, not so well in general. What is the relevance of your question ?

My point is that the Third World, where it is growing and becoming more prosperous, is producing more “greenhouse gasses.” And where it is not producing more such gasses, it is not doing well at all.

I might go on to point out that Europe isn’t making it’s “goals,” either.

All over the place. Here is somewhere to start → environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn10888-report-singles-out-exxonmobil-over-climate-scepticism-.html

Then look at supposedly independent groups like The Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy in Maryland etc etc

“Supposedly independent,” indeed.

First you post this:

Originally Posted by simonadams
Why not get behind the Pope and the Vatican instead ?

And then you post this:

No of course not. When has the Church ever done so on a matter like that ?

 

[simonadams]

My point is that the Third World, where it is growing and becoming more prosperous, is producing more “greenhouse gasses.” And where it is not producing more such gasses, it is not doing well at all.

That’s a crass simplification. At present most developing countries are emulating the industrial revolution, so of course their production of CO2 etc is rising as their economies grow. That takes nothing away from the fact that its in their best long term interest to learn from some of our mistakes, and it certainly does not help the growth of their economies paying out so much on imported oil. Its not about holding their development back - its about enabling everyone to have sustainable development.

I might go on to point out that Europe isn’t making it’s “goals,” either.

That’s irrelevant - at least there is an attempt which is heading in the right direction.

First you post this:

Why not get behind the Pope and the Vatican instead ?

And then you post this:

simonadams:

No of course not.

When has the Church ever done so on a matter like that ?

Yes and in between you had asked;
vern humphrey:

Do you say His Holiness has prnounced ex cathedra that “global warming” is caused by “greenhouse gasses?”

So you threw in a red herring again. If you look at the recent press releases, my comments make complete sense. For example;

"Pope Benedict XVI urged respect for the environment, and noted that the primary victims of environmental degradation would be the world’s poor, in a message to a Vatican conference on climate change.

The Pope’s message was delivered to a meeting of 80 experts, drawn from 20 different countries, who were gathered for a 2-day discussion on global warming, sponsored by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. The Pope’s message expressed the hope that the meeting could “promote lifestyles, models of production and consumption based on respect for creation and the real needs of sustainable progress.”

From here → cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=50789