Former Catholics become anti-Catholic

[Ani_Ibi]

BibleReader:

I found that the overwhelming majority left because of the birth control issue – they wanted to continue worshipping God on Sunday, while they used ABC, whereas staying in the Catholic Church before their “conversion” seemed inconsistent and a cause for guilt.

Did the guilt go away or did the quiet but persistent voice of conscience get drowned out in the

fire and brimstone?

Ever wonder why there is so much volume outside the Church? My cousin used to go to sleep with the television on Vision. Just before dawn, a screaming pastor would come on. Why, who would ever have known such a fuss would be made about women going to hell for showing their knees? Woke her up though.

BibleReader:

On the “personal relationship with God” business, I always ask, “How can having the Real Presence of the Eucharist INSIDE of oneself be MORE of a ‘personal relationship’???” There is no good answer.

Wrong! There is no easy answer.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Sgt Sweaters:

by and large I find that people’s bias is based on ignorance and misunderstanding, not anti-Catholic teaching.

Northern Ireland?
Sgt Sweaters:

Thus, the more I’ve investigated and searched, the closer and closer I’ve come to the Catholic Church.

Trust?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Church Militant:

I have to add here that IMO it is more important to be a seeker of truth AT ALL COST than to find some place where I’m comfortable…

We can be grateful that no one took the Book of Wisdom out of our Bibles.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Xavier:

I find that Catholics are unkind without knowing they are being unkind. They are negative but cant admit being negative.
They are harsh but do not realize they are being harsh or hatefull.]

Love hurts. Or may be it’s the prick of conscience that hurts. Or maybe it’s both. :bigyikes: :whacky:

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Xavier:

All of Gods word is truth.

The Word of God is Jesus, not Scripture.

 

[Xavier]

Genesis315:

The Church does not mandate celibacy. Priests choose it. They are “those that choose to.” I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. The Church forces no one to be cellibate. Priests are free of anxieties. “An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife” (1 Cor. 7: 32-33). Priests, as celibates, can better focus on their flock when they don’t have to worry about their families. Protestant ministers need to live in nice houses so they can take care of their families, while priests live in rectories. The funds that would take care of a minister’s wife and kids can be used for the good of the parish in the Catholic situation.

Likewise, priests choose to be Christlike, so they are cellibate. They show that Jesus is enough to completely satisfy and give meaning to their lives. What’s wrong with asking those that represent Christ to be as Chirstlike as possible? They are not married because Jesus was not married. Jesus was celibate, that’s scriptural.

You’re not one of the wackjobs that think Jesus was married are you?

My point is that mandated celibacy for the priesthood is unbiblical.
The RCC can,it is within their right, make this a requirement. This is a manmade requirement not a biblical one.

 

[Xavier]

mj330:

Also, if a Catholic does not know his/her own faith, they will fall for any misguided reasoning that gets thrown their way from non-Catholic churches.

Just my thoughts
I agree; (although I am protestant; but seeking truth); I find this gets reinforced by preachers and people who have never been in the Catholic church. I also believe that people sometimes throw out an “intellectual search for truth” because they think that it negates faith. There is nothing more aggravating than one who argues from a position of ignorance.
Have a good day.

Or they study the bible and learn church history. They see when and where the institution of the RCC went astray and is still defended to this day for being in error. (the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica in Rome etc etc)

 

[Xavier]

Ani Ibi:

The Word of God is Jesus, not Scripture.

The bible is the inspired inerrant word of God.

 

[Genesis315]

Xavier:

Or they study the bible and learn church history. They see when and where the institution of the RCC went astray and is still defended to this day for being in error. (the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica in Rome etc etc)

The Church has never taught selling indulgences is ok. Attaching indulgences to alms giving is fine. The abuses were that indulgences were being sold and the money was being pocketed by bishops or the indulgences were being applied to future sins, etc, etc. The Church has had many sinner ang even a couple downright wicked popes, but it is a testament to the Holy Spirit that the deposit of faith and morals has not been changedin 2000 years. Don’t confuse mistakes by members of the Church with the Church teaching error.

 

[Xavier]

MariaG:

Xavier,

So you believe one should offer less than the best to God?

Peter gave less than his best?

Paul says one should be unmarried and that is best. That’s in the Bible.

paul said he prefered all belivers to remain unmaried. Is that what you espouse?

As pointed in the previous post, Christ gave Peter the authority (and through him the Church) to make and change the rules.

Is it any wonder when Scripture tells us that the best way to serve God is being unmarried, that a Church would decide as a general rule, one should be Married to Christ instead of another person on earth?

How on earth or in heaven can you claim it is unbiblical?

Priests are married. They are married to the Church (who is Christ). I think this is the point you are missing.

God Bless,
Maria

We could argue the keys of the kingdom and papal authority, but I do agree that it is within the prerogative of The RCC to set the requirements of the priesthood in its congeregation. What I disagree with is when someone says its biblical.

 

[Xavier]

Genesis315:

The Church has never taught selling indulgences is ok. Attaching indulgences to alms giving is fine. The abuses were that indulgences were being sold and the money was being pocketed by bishops or the indulgences were being applied to future sins, etc, etc. The Church has had many sinner ang even a couple downright wicked popes, but it is a testament to the Holy Spirit that the deposit of faith and morals has not been changedin 2000 years. Don’t confuse mistakes by members of the Church with the Church teaching error.

Exactly what I mean. What is biblical is repentance.

 

[mj330]

Xavier:

Or they study the bible and learn church history. They see when and where the institution of the RCC went astray and is still defended to this day for being in error. (the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica in Rome etc etc)

Perhaps the church was in error, but to the original point: I wonder how many of those who would chastise the RCC would have held Baker’s PTL and other TV evangelists who, for a price of $500-1000, would send an anointed prayer cloth to those in need. If we were to cast stones, then maybe we should be w/o sin. Good day.

 

[Xavier]

mj330:

Perhaps the church was in error, but to the original point: I wonder how many of those who would chastise the RCC would have held Baker’s PTL and other TV evangelists who, for a price of $500-1000, would send an anointed prayer cloth to those in need. If we were to cast stones, then maybe we should be w/o sin. Good day.

I agree with you. Christs Church must get back to the good news of His salvation and away from all the prosperity garbage out there.

 

[Mickey]

Xavier:

Or they study the bible and learn church history. They see when and where the institution of the RCC went astray and is still defended to this day for being in error. (the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica in Rome etc etc)

Hey Xavier,

Please stop hijacking this thread. There are other threads on this forum that pertain to priestly celibacy and indulgences. If you have something more to say about the subject of this thread, then state it. Otherwise, please move on. Thank you.

 

[wcknight]

princejeremy_17:

I believe that the reason why they left the church in the first place was because one had finally read the bible and found out that the catholic church was teaching false doctrine. so when he leaves he wants to show all that information that brought him to the truth.

It was reading the Bible that brought me back to the Church.

I think it is because they want to justify in their own mind why they left. They take exception to one teaching or another, or they have bad experience with some priest of nun, and they want to denegrate the entire Church.

PLUS they get bombarded with all the anti-Catholic propaganda, and they start to believe this rubbish (at least a few do). I for one, knew what we believed and what we did not, so when I got all these half truths thrown at me, I really questioned the intentions (and sometimes the sanity) of the folks who were pushing this nonsense.

After you leave the Church and see what is the alternatives are, coming back is like coming home after a year long extended trip from home.

WC

 

[Xavier]

Mickey:

Hey Xavier,

Please stop hijacking this thread. There are other threads on this forum that pertain to priestly celibacy and indulgences. If you have something more to say about the subject of this thread, then state it. Otherwise, please move on. Thank you.

This is what I responded to:
Originally Posted by mj330
*Also, if a Catholic does not know his/her own faith, they will fall for any misguided reasoning that gets thrown their way from non-Catholic churches.

Just my thoughts
I agree; (although I am protestant; but seeking truth); I find this gets reinforced by preachers and people who have never been in the Catholic church. I also believe that people sometimes throw out an “intellectual search for truth” because they think that it negates faith. There is nothing more aggravating than one who argues from a position of ignorance.
Have a good day.*

The post which you quote is a direct answer to questions brought up on this thread!

 

[Genesis315]

Xavier:

Exactly what I mean. What is biblical is repentance.

So what are you arguing about? Last time I checked,the Catholic Church teaches repentance. Oh, and by the way, the Church has never strayed into error.

 

[Mickey]

Xavier:

This is what I responded to:
Originally Posted by mj330
Also, if a Catholic does not know his/her own faith, they will fall for any misguided reasoning that gets thrown their way from non-Catholic churches.

*Just my thoughts *
I agree; (although I am protestant; but seeking truth); I find this gets reinforced by preachers and people who have never been in the Catholic church. I also believe that people sometimes throw out an “intellectual search for truth” because they think that it negates faith. There is nothing more aggravating than one who argues from a position of ignorance.
Have a good day.

mj330’s post pertained to the subject of the thread. Again, if you want to debate priestly celibacy and/or indulgences, those threads are easily accessible. Have a nice day.

 

[Xavier]

Mickey:

mj330’s post pertained to the subject of the thread. Again, if you want to debate priestly celibacy and/or indulgences, those threads are easily accessible. Have a nice day.

The original question is why do former Catholics become antiCatholic?
This question similar to- Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
In order to answer it you must first assume that if
A) you are a former Catholic
B) you are now anti Catholic
C) since you are antiCatholic (or apostate) it is not neccessary that we listen to anything you have to say

As a former Catholic this is how I see it.
The more I studied, the more I prayed the more I saw clearly that which was taught to me was in error. I became convinced that carnally minded men ran the RCC for a long period of time and when God raised up prophets such as Hus and Luther they were killed and or banished. These prophets were not without limitations or personal faults but I hold The RCC the higher blame for the schism and the fallout of such.

 

[Genesis315]

Here is the main problem with those who leave the Catholic Church. As a Catholic, we must conform our beliefs and opinions to the Truth. This can be difficult as pride gets in the way. Our egos do not want us to submit and admit that we do not know best. Someone who leaves the Church conforms the truth to his personal beliefs or opinions. It strokes the ego. It is easy to submit to your own opinion. But is the easy way always the best?

Check out Matt. 7:13-14 and John 6:60