Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe fired

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PaulinVA said:
This is purely political, number one, and holding someone accountable should not included hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost pension benefits, number two.
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McCabe using his position in the FBI to influence an election certainly could be described as “political”. If he were military, in addition to losing his pension, he’d probably be spending some time in a cell at Leavenworth. He should consider himself lucky.
 
David Brooks said it so well today. Trump has created an atmosphere of distrust by demeaning so many people working for him that no one with any integrity is going to want to work for him and take the chance of having their name dragged though the mud. Trump had already recruited from the B team, and now he is turning to the C and D teams. Good people will not even respond to a request to come in for an interview when they see so many excellent public servants who have established reputations being utterly destroyed by Trump.

Trump still thinks he is starring in The Apprentice.
 
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@ProVobis Sessions has been a disappointment, but did the right thing here.

And keep in mind, the fake news leftist media is not your friend…
 
Thanks for the advice. Now when is Sessions going? Trump must not be too happy losing a Senate seat.
 
Road-Worrier said:
If he were military, in addition to losing his pension, he’d probably be spending some time in a cell at Leavenworth. He should consider himself lucky.
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Nope. Military people are allowed to retire quietly all the time.

Heck, many a General/Admiral are forced to retire due to misdeeds.

My point is that it’s a low class move to fire someone 26 hours before they are set to retire. Sessions could have simply missed the deadline. Instead, he deemed that the punishment/fine for the alleged misdeeds was to strip McCabe of his pension. He did that without due process. He did that to keep his job.

He didn’t even call McCabe. He sent an email to his work account that, being on terminal leave, McCabe never checks. 22 years of service and he hears he’s been stripped of his pension by CNN. Definitely low class.

When you think about it, with the military examples above, Sessions should have simply forced McCabe to retire and marked him ineligible to rehire.
 
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PaulinVA said:
My point is that it’s a low class move to fire someone 26 hours before they are set to retire. Sessions could have simply missed the deadline. Instead, he deemed that the punishment/fine for the alleged misdeeds was to strip McCabe of his pension. He did that without due process. He did that to keep his job.
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Except when the someone clearly deserved to be fired, as is the case here. You think he should be rewarded with a million plus dollar, taxpayer funded golden handshake for his misdeeds? And it seems like an IG report and recommendation qualifies as “due process “.
 
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Road-Worrier said:
Except when the someone clearly deserved to be fired, as is the case here. You think he should be rewarded with a million plus dollar, taxpayer funded golden handshake for his misdeeds?
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It’s not a reward. It’s part of the employment contract. He earned a pension.

And, as I said, a lot of people in the military and government are “fired” and forced to retire. The timing here was such that couldn’t be done. BUT, by doing nothing, Sessions could have had the same effect. Monday, McCabe would not work for the FBI and would be retired.
 
Theo520 said:
That they didn’t just let him go quietly speaks to the serious nature of his lie, and it is documented.
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Or to the serious nature of the vindictiveness and corruption of those who fired him.
 
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I’m glad this was not a gutless save my job act by Sessions and political retribution by Trump…because, look how the pension question worked out for disgraced Republican Congressman Duke Cunningham

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Cunningham will keep Congressional pension

Though U.S. Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham must forfeit more than$1.8 million in ill-gotten gains, experts say he will get to holdonto his Congressional pension earned during eight terms …
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Eventually, I guess we’ll see two things:
  1. What, exactly, McCabe did to earn this firing. If it really was for lying to federal investigators, it is my understanding this is the unforgivable sin in the FBI.
  2. Whether some congressman or woman hires him for enough days to qualify him for his pension. They can do it. So let’s see if some Dem believes in McCabe that much.
But no matter what, until we know the full facts, it’s going to be a Dem feeding frenzy in the media and on CAF and similar sites.
 
Ridgerunner said:
But no matter what, until we know the full facts, it’s going to be a Dem feeding frenzy in the media and on CAF and similar sites.
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In case you haven’t noticed, the rush to judgment is cutting both ways here.
 
I doubt this is the same kind of thing, though. Either Cunningham was fully vested in his congressional pension or he wasn’t. It’s my understanding McCabe wasn’t. He fell short by three days. If he had not been fired until next Monday, he would have vested and would have gotten the pension even if he was fired then.

Again, I don’t know what McCabe actually did. There’s talk of his lying to federal investigators. I don’t know if that’s true or what lies he told if it is true. There’s talk of his leaking secret stuff to the media. I don’t know what that was either.

But we’ll be finding out, for sure.

I can well understand how the loss of pension could be a big thing to McCabe. But he’s only 49. I sure didn’t have a pension vested when I was 49, and I still don’t. If he intentionally committed the “unforgiveable” sin (as the FBI sees it) of lying to federal investigators, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for him. He still has time in his life to feather his nest well without relying on my tax dollars to do it.
 
dvdjs said:
In case you haven’t noticed, the rush to judgment is cutting both ways here.
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No. There really isn’t equivalency here.

The difference is that McCabe’s firing was the recommendation of the FBI’s nonpartisan Office of Personnel Management, made up of career FBI agents. I don’t know that there was any “rush to judgment” on their part, inasmuch as they have apparently been investigating him along with the Inspector General’s office, for some time. People on CAF do not, I’m sure, have all the facts, but they do have the judgment of those offices behind them.

On the “condemn Trump for it” side, there’s nothing at all other than the hostility that attends everything Trump says or does.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I can well understand how the loss of pension could be a big thing to McCabe. But he’s only 49. I sure didn’t have a pension vested when I was 49, and I still don’t.
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“Vested” doesnt apply to many government employees…i had earned my pension from the federal government at age 39…and some of my colleagues as early as age 37, because pension was based on completion of 20 years service, without regard to age.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Again, I don’t know what McCabe actually did. There’s talk of his lying to federal investigators. I don’t know if that’s true or what lies he told if it is true. There’s talk of his leaking secret stuff to the media. I don’t know what that was either.

But we’ll be finding out, for sure.
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Will we? If there is substance to the charges, he shoudl have been prosecuted. The firing seems vindictive, and perhaps calculated to some message that is not entirely clear.
Ridgerunner said:
If he intentionally committed the “unforgiveable” sin (as the FBI sees it) of lying to federal investigators
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I think you mean the sin of lying intentionally, although that may be redundant. It is more than a little ironic for Sessions to be firing someone over “lying to federal investigators”; and with Sessions, Kushner etc., still in their position, it seems odd to term the sin unforgivable.
 
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