Founder of "Positive" Muslim TV Channel charged with beheading wife...

[chrisse]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
…There has been a sealed placed on you by Allah perhaps you will never understand. …

Please, the follow of the most gracious, kind and just, make that claim for me too. That would be such a relief to know that your allah as predestined me to not believe in him.

I mean, allah’s predestination thing is a bit scary - it’s the most horrid nightmare to think you were predestined (ie have no free will/choice) to follow him into hell.

 

[R_not]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
What makes him an expert on the life of muslims? Your sources are irrational esp. when you have a host of PRACTICING muslims around that you can ask.

I know about da/wa, and taqiyya/kithman, too.

I read and know not only your history, but the history of mohammed, allah and the rest of its pantheon of gods and goddesses that allah took it from, the history of jihad and SLAVERY in islam THAT IS STILL GOING ON TO THIS VERY DAY.

AND!! That a number of muslims have been caught in the USA with their slaves that they brought with them from their muslim countries. That is only the ones who were caught. Just as with polygamy - it goes on and only comes to light if they are caught.

Slavery in islam

I also know that muslims enslaved more blacks than white Europeans, but they did indeed enslave Europeans. They would raid whole coastal towns, sometimes going up river, and wipe out a whole town for their slave trade.

What they do to the children to this very day is atrocious. And we stopped slavery - and muslims have not - and will deny it or tu quoque – an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out that others.

Here is a quote about the slave trade and what muslims are doing to these children they capture - TO THIS VERY DAY!

In Djibouti he writes:

        "Ten boys were ranged in a circle on the dais (used to display the slaves), their buttocks toward us.  They were all naked, and I saw with horror that five had been castrated.  The (slave dealer) said that usually 10% of the boys are castrated, being purchased by Saudi homosexuals, or by Yemenis, who own harems, as guards." p 75

        "Why had the girls (female slaves who had just been sold) had accepted their fate without a murmur, the boys howled and cried?"  "Simple" said the Somali, we tell the girls from a very early age  - 7 or 8 that they are made for love, at age NINE we let them practice with each other, and a year later with the boys".

 

[chrisse]

But he is dead and has been for quit a while. The characteristic of a cult that was used described a charismatic leader, not founder.

I do not mean to belabor the point. I just hate to see rhetoric over substance, especially when there is so much of substance available to say about Islam and dialogue would prove more beneficial that provocation.

Please don’t tell us you’ve read Karen Armstrong.

 

[R_not]

Please, the follow of the most gracious, kind and just, make that claim for me too. That would be such a relief to know that your allah as predestined me to not believe in him.

I mean, allah’s predestination thing is a bit scary - it’s the most horrid nightmare to think you were predestined (ie have no free will/choice) to follow him into hell.

I thank God that I wouldn’t fall for allah the moon god too! Thank you Jesus!

The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god

Deut. 4:19 And when you look up to the heavens and behold the sun or the moon or any star among the heavenly hosts, do not be led astray into adoring them and serving hem. These the Lord, your God has let fall to the lot of all other nations under the heavens.

Deut. 17:3 …by serving other gods, or by worshiping the sun or the moon or any of he host of the sky, against my command.

II Kngs. 21:3,5; II Kngs. 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5

And this allah is nothing but a combination of mohammed’s moon god made worse because it became mohammed himself. It degenerated as mohammed degenerated through the years after mohammed thought up islam. We see that in the progression of the weaker Meccan surahs that were abrogated with the stronger Medina violent surahs.

 

[pnewton]

Please don’t tell us you’ve read Karen Armstrong.

No, my college days were the seventies. I had to look up this person to see who she was. What I know of Islam is from the time in college and what I have read in the Catechsim and various Catholic writers since, along with various news articles. I am no expert on Islam. My expertise in real life lies in recoginizing when I read or hear something that doesn’t ring true. That is no accusation of anyone here, just a general dislike of things that aren’t quite straight.

 

[pnewton]

I thank God that I wouldn’t fall for allah the moon god too!

LOL

I knew I had seen this one:

chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

Here is a moon god thread, btw

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=70863&highlight=moon

 

[chrisse]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
What you fail to realise is that you can’t just quote something from the Qur’an in doing so your taking it out of it’s context both historical and social. What you are doing is dangerous towards your understanding of Islam. You can do it with the bible either. So if you are doing it with Qur’an I can imagine how misguided you are within your own bible.

Well, we don’t. We are in a forum, and long essays would generally be ignored in a forum format, so we generally go straight to particular examples.

You fail to understand that we all were prompted to investigate islam because of the behaviour of muslims all over the world. For most of us, it is clear that they are behaving within the guidelines of the islamic trilogy.

 

[chrisse]

No, my college days were the seventies. I had to look up this person to see who she was. What I know of Islam is from the time in college and what I have read in the Catechsim and various Catholic writers since, along with various news articles. I am no expert on Islam. My expertise in real life lies in recoginizing when I read or hear something that doesn’t ring true. That is no accusation of anyone here, just a general dislike of things that aren’t quite straight.

Great, I have a great dislike of propaganda, ideological dogma and misplaced respect being forced on me in order to silence the Truth. (No, I’m not accusing you of this )

I particularly dislike the current world situation where the OIC is effectively putting us under shariah law in the West within the United Nations.

And so the debate goes on (while we can).

 

[Randy_Carson]

But then again, why is after all that,

**Islam is still the FASTEST GROWING RELIGION in the world ? **

Because you are having more children and because those who fall under the territorial jurisdictions that Muslims control by force have no choice but to convert or die.

For those of you who are Muslim and living in the US, answer this question for me:

As a Catholic, would I enjoy the same degree of religious freedom in ANY Muslim country that you enjoy here in the United States?

If not, why not?

 

[R_not]

The Plight of muslim women under islam and Muzammil H. Hassan has certainly brought this discussion up yet again. And muslimettes still are in denial, or is it that they will be beaten up if they admit to the violence against women in islam.

Bukhari, 72.715- “…Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women.’”

We see in the article above that the Wahabbis were going to get involved in his TV venture. And our own left wing idiot’s media is mostly silent about it all.

In the article we see tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out that others also, perhaps even the accuser, do the same thing.

Whether the mainstream media ignores these cases and Islamists and their sympathizers choose to dismiss it away or not, the general public will rightly continue to grow increasingly concerned about the connections of Islamism to these episodes of rage. If Muslims cannot crawl out of their denial and begin to address these obvious connections in a scientific way, the frequency of these cases - both high profile and otherwise - will only increase and we will have shirked our deep responsibility to our nation and to God.

…

Islamists like the supporters of Bridges TV will try to dismiss this horrific murder as a cultural act of barbarism, but this man was well assimilated into the American culture and his wife was also rather well culturally assimilated. But far deeper in this story than the domestic violence that plagues all societies is the male domination and dehumanization of women, which the method and rage of this murder demonstrates. This animal likely felt religiously empowered by a religious, political, and cultural ideology (Islamism) which placed him in his own mind in a position of power over his wife. This concept endemic to Islamism will always contribute to acts of domestic violence. Thus, while all cultures are plagued with some form of domestic violence, the far higher incidence in the “Muslim world” speaks to a dire need for theological reform.

And as we read on these threads it will take a lot of interventions to stop these brainwashed responses of denial, tu quoque, etc. And this movement to do so hasn’t even started in the muslim world.

 

[pnewton]

Great, I have a great dislike of propaganda, ideological dogma and misplaced respect being forced on me in order to silence the Truth. (No, I’m not accusing you of this )

Thank you very much. I have no problem taking you at face value and think this in one area we are much alike.

When I see this article, I just can’t help seeing the evil man behind this brutal murder in so many other faces. It is hard to picture it as an act of jihad, honor killing or anything other than a jealous macho man that can’t face his wife leaving. I have seen this in so many others, it is hard to see where religion will be any more than a lame excuse for this horrendous act.

 

[R_not]

Because you are having more children and because those who fall under the territorial jurisdictions that Muslims control by force have no choice but to convert or die.

For those of you who are Muslim and living in the US, answer this question for me:

As a Catholic, would I enjoy the same degree of religious freedom in ANY Muslim country that you enjoy here in the United States?

If not, why not?

I hope you don’t turn into a skeleton waiting for an answer!

 

[R_not]

Because you are having more children and because those who fall under the territorial jurisdictions that Muslims control by force have no choice but to convert or die.

For those of you who are Muslim and living in the US, answer this question for me:

As a Catholic, would I enjoy the same degree of religious freedom in ANY Muslim country that you enjoy here in the United States?

If not, why not?

News from just today about how Christians are treated in muslim majority countries. And this is just a few that made it to the press and only for a few days.

Turkey: Jihadists attacking Christian book store, second time this week

Nigeria: jihadists burn churches and blamed the Christians for burning down a mosque

And this is what we get in our own lands: “We can’t have chaps walking around saying Muslims are violent because they’ll go bananas and smash the place up”

Egypt: Cleric calling for jihad against Jews

This type of thing from clerics all the time is the reason why I call them the ‘officers’ in the army of the umma. Especially since they are the ones who call our lands dar al harb (the realm of war)!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

…It is useless discussing anything with brainwashed people… .

Why Do You Kill Zaid?

By Jürgen Todenhöfer

In some Muslim countries the advancement of women has gone much further in certain respects than in the West. In Egypt, 30 percent of all professors are women, in Germany the figure is only 10 percent.

In Iran well over 60 percent of students are women, which has prompted some arch-conservatives to reflect on introducing a quota for men.

There is also a longer tradition of female heads of government in Muslim countries than in the West.

informationclearinghouse.info/

 

[WarriorAngel]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Muslims do protest against atrocity , terrorism but media normally don’t cover their positive actions.

When any non-Muslim kills wife , media don’t relate the murder with religion but when a culprit is a Muslim , media relate the crime with Islam .

Can u tell me , in which country , wives are burnt alive by husbands in hundreds each year? I never heard from mainstream media who are these husbands …Muslims or Christians or Hindus. As it’s not taking place in a Muslim majority country , media is silent.

Women Against Shariah

- Asia, World - The Sharia lawPakistan…
Amir Haider Khan Hoti, the chief minister of the North West Frontier Province, said sharia law would be introduced throughout the Malakand division, which includes the Swat Valley, but only when the valley is peaceful. The Taliban has tentatively welcomed the decision, announcing a 10-day ceasefire on Sunday.

Swat ValleyMyDD :: [UPDATED] Sharia law****Pakistan

: WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE UN 1. 'HONOUR KILLING’ IN PAKISTAN**…**

1. Although Pakistan has ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), there is a very high level of violence against girls and women in the country. Of particular concern to the Asian Legal Resource Centre is the increased number of ‘honour killings’ there, a matter that it raised during the fifty-eighth session of the Commission

in 2008 - NAMPakistan****Against Women

More than 7,700 cases of violence against women were reported in print media in Pakistan in 2008, reports The Dawn newspaper. Some 22 percent involved abductions and almost 20 percent were murders. There were cases of burning, acid throwing and honor killings. The highest number of honor killings were reported in the Sindh province. The report was released by Aurat Foundation. The report comes amidst worries over women’s rights as Pakistan’s government signed a deal to allow imposition of Sharia law in the Swat region where followers of a radical leader have already beheaded opponents, silenced detractors, bombed schools and outlawed entertainment.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

…

HONOUR KILLING’ IN PAKISTAN:

HONOR KILLINGS IN AMERICA?

Of the 5328 Christian women murdered in 1990, FBI data indicate that about half or more of them by a Christian husband or Christian boyfriend.

**A Christian woman is beaten every 9 seconds in America, the most Christian society on the earth today. …10% of the Christian victims were pregnant at the time of abuse…One in 3 Christian women is raped in her lifetime. (Los Angeles Commission on Assaults Against Women, 1985)

**

PS. Of Course , western media did not write Christian women . When any single murder takes place , media love to mention the religion of the killer . When thousands & thousands are murdered by non-Muslims , media don’t say who are the killers …Muslims , Hindus or Christians.

soundvision.com/Info/misc/wvastat.asp

washingtondispatch.com/printer_8165.shtml

 

[sedonaman]

If any husband kills wife , it’s a major sin .

Where does Mohammed say that?

 

[sedonaman]

If Islam isn’t a violent religion, I wish Muslims would prove that to us.

Now just think about what you said here. A “violent religion” would be an oxymoron. Islam is not a violent religion because it is not a religion in the first place.

 

[sedonaman]

It is an unfair generalization to Muslims to imply because of an anecdotal incident that they are all violent.

Everyone has a concept of a pile of sand. Does one grain constitute a “pile”? Of course not. Perhaps two? Three? Keep adding more and more grains and eventually you get a pile.

I don’t think anyone here has accused “all” Muslims of being violent. You have used a non-sequitur [that because some here criticize Islam for preaching violence that we are saying all Muslims are violent] to reach that conclusion; but there seems to be general agreement among non-Muslims here that Islam does indeed preach violence, and there is more than anecdotal evidence of it:

“In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages.” – Cardinal George Pell of Syndey, Australia.

For Muslim apologists: Don’t pull that “taken-out-of-context” argument. You are wasting your time.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Where does Mohammed say that?

Do u believe God says in Quran or there is any hadith that says husbands will go to heaven if they kill their wives ?