Founder of "Positive" Muslim TV Channel charged with beheading wife...

[sedonaman]

Justice will be served.

I think the question is whether or not “justice would be served” if he had committed the act in an Islamic country.

The church has done an excellent job in spreading hatred about those from other countries or continents. Thats the way of the church and thats sad.

Oh, yeah? What’s your evidence?

 

[impalass]

You are a typical muslim POS that cannot read and comprehend. What part of “most definitely NOT Catholic” did you NOT understand?

You muslims are always the first to scream and cry racism, bigotry and “you do not respect our culture!” Yet you make no bones about your hatred of America, the Catholic church and anyone who calls you mo-bots out for what you are.

What part of “in istanbul” in the ID do you NOT understand you islamic git?

I have lived in more countries and experiences more cultures than you ever will living in your little islamic bubble.

The only bit of “truthful” taqiyya you have spewed is the bit about America being great because it is a multi-cultural society. It is great but ONLY because those cultures have blended and assimilated. Mo-bot assimilation is kin to Borg assimilation. It is impossible for you mo-bots to blend into any society.

And you are now ignored. Dialogue with you mo-bots is like talking to semi-retarded, forked-tongued brick walls.

   Its too bad you were brought up with suchbigotry and hatred.   Your the problem not the solution.

  mo-bots, fork-tongued brick walls all these negative comments.  I really believe you need help.  I have a 1-800 number for you that you can call without giving your name and they will direct you for help.   Please post back and I will get you the help you need.    Smile!   Don't be so angry.   They can help you.

 

[sedonaman]

Beheading I would believe is a cultural tradition.

What Is Islam About?
…
Islam is a total way of life. It covers everything from sleeping to waking, lying down to sitting and standing, as well as eating and drinking and sex. Every action performed by a Muslim, one who follows Islam, should be an act of worship of God.

[Emphasis added.]

In short, Islam is the culture and the culture is Islam.

 

[impalass]

I think the question is whether or not “justice would be served” if he had committed the act in an Islamic country.

Oh, yeah? What’s your evidence?

 What do we care if he committed this crime in an Islamic country.  We don't police the world.  We allow legal abortions in our own country. How can we talk?  They have their laws we have ours.  Some countries cut your hand off if you steal.    We have a HUGE illegal drug affliction in our own country and very little is done.  We have criminal illegal aliens walking across the Mexican borders into our own country with little done by our Home land security.   We can't criticize others when we do little to stop the flow of our own problems.


    What evidence about hatred by christians in other countries?   Just read some of the many posts by so called catholics on this forum and read all the bigotry and hatred that exists towards others.   The people are the catholic church.

 

[sedonaman]

Off topic:

You are correct. These have absolutely nothing to do with the question of the thread.

 

[R_not]

I guess murder is a culture phenomenon in our country. We have more murders and felony crimes committed per capita here then any other western culture democracy. Mostly committed by Christians. I don’t believe we have a right to generalize about an incident that somehow in some minds becomes rampant behaviour…Unbelievable!

   Yes this man will get his day in court and yes this man will do his time.   Just like any criminal that might be Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Atheist or other.....

#1. the muslim countries don’t count the murders of women, or non-muslims.

#2. they barely keep statistics of what goes on if there are zones of outlying tribal areas, if at all.

#3. they don’t even look at the murder of women (or torture) as criminal if the man claims it is an ‘honor killing’ and the community applauds his behavior. And the same with non-muslims - they don’t look at it as a crime.

I would rethink making your general statements before reviewing their sharia laws considering murder of women, children - in regards to honor killings - and in regards to non-muslims. While everyone gets fair protection under our Judeo-Christian based laws in our lands.

 

[sedonaman]

The Quranic verse you are refering to is about war … how to fight with enemies . It’s nothing to do with killing wife.

That’s correct, because that’s what Islam is all about: War.

 

[impalass]

Waitaminnit. Wait just one cotton-pickin’ minnit. The question of this thread is about whether or not Islam condones wife killing. MW, et al, have used the typical Muslim tactic of shifting the argument to alleged Christians allegedly killing their alleged wives/girlfriends. This is nothing more than an attempt, and a weak one at that, to pull Christianity down to the level of Islam. Whether or not Christians do evil is irrelevant to the question.

     I disagree.  If we criticize others then we are open to our own criticism.  You can't have it one way.  America might be the best country in the world, but america is not all that squeaky clean.
   
     We can't criticize a way of life because of geography.  If you were born in the middle east you would follow their laws.  Born in Israel you would believe Jesus hasn't come yet.   You just happen to be born into a country that has different beliefs then others.   Everyone believes through their own historical traditions that their way is the only right way.   Thats we we have the senseless arguments that no one is going to win.

 

[R_not]

Its too bad you were brought up with suchbigotry and hatred. Your the problem not the solution.

  mo-bots, fork-tongued brick walls all these negative comments.  I really believe you need help.  I have a 1-800 number for you that you can call without giving your name and they will direct you for help.   Please post back and I will get you the help you need.    Smile!   Don't be so angry.   They can help you.

the bigotry and hatred is in your head. How can you be the judge of what goes on in other’s heads? You are behaving as the muslims do when they set themselves up as judge and jury - and they take it a step further in their lands because they set themselves up as executioners quite often too. and that is not a crime if a non-muslim speaks or does anything against a muslim, islam, mohammed or allah. And it is not a crime if it is done against their own women if they claim it is an honor killing.

 

[impalass]

Either way.

History has shown that those who will break the law, and that includes spouse abuse, almost never learn from the punishment of others.

Many of them do not learn from their own punishment

    If we never learn from the punishment for our crimes then that indicates that our system is broken.   We need a new way.   Are harsher sentences required for heinous crimes or do we spend more billions hoping to re-habilitate people from their wrong doings?    I do believe that minor current offenses should not be punishment in jail.  Our jails are bursting with minor crime perps now.  

    Will this Muslim man be tried by 12 members of his peers?  12 Muslim men or women, or 12 jurors picked at random from the community?    Remember the OJ case.   We know he got off because the  jury was stacked in his favor.  It will be interesting.

 

[R_not]

I disagree. If we criticize others then we are open to our own criticism. You can’t have it one way. America might be the best country in the world, but america is not all that squeaky clean.

     We can't criticize a way of life because of geography.  If you were born in the middle east you would follow their laws.  Born in Israel you would believe Jesus hasn't come yet.   You just happen to be born into a country that has different beliefs then others.   Everyone believes through their own historical traditions that their way is the only right way.   Thats we we have the senseless arguments that no one is going to win.

And none of those countries, other than the muslim countries in the Middle East, would care if you spoke against their religion.

In fact, the muslims in our countries behave very poorly if we exercise our freedoms of expression in our own lands. Theo Van Gogh was murdered for a movie called, ‘Submission’ and his friend Ayan Hirsi Ali has to have 24 hour guard.

Geert Wilders has to have 24 hour guard and has a fatwa over his head (to be murdered). and the muslims work to censor him in our own Western lands and some behave as dhimmi (subjugated ones) already - in their own lands because of poor behavior by muslims in their lands.

Father Botros has a fatwa on his head and the muslims work to censor him in our own Western lands.

the list goes on… usually these kinds of stories are just neverending.

 

[impalass]

the bigotry and hatred is in your head. How can you be the judge of what goes on in other’s heads? You are behaving as the muslims do when they set themselves up as judge and jury - and they take it a step further in their lands because they set themselves up as executioners quite often too. and that is not a crime if a non-muslim speaks or does anything against a muslim, islam, mohammed or allah. And it is not a crime if it is done against their own women if they claim it is an honor killing.

Again, we are not the policemen of the world. Every country sets their own traditional standards. Do some countries seem barbaric. Yes. Do millions of US ciitizens believe abortion is murder. Yes! We can’t be the pot calling the kettle black if we murder indiscriminately as well. There are a lot of americans that have been given the death penalty for crimes they never committed. Who are we to judge?

 

[sedonaman]

What do we care if he committed this crime in an Islamic country.?]

Because that would be the true test of whether or not Islam condemns this act as a murder. MW claims it is a sin according to Islam. If that is true, then if he committed it in an Islamic country, he would be severely punished for his sin.

What evidence about hatred by christians in other countries? Just read some of the many posts by so called catholics on this forum and read all the bigotry and hatred that exists towards others. The people are the catholic church.

The people might be “the Church”, but they are not necessarily the official word of the Church. Sorta like your [and MW’s] claim that not all Muslims represent Islam.

So, now find me some official Church doctrine that shows its official policy is to “spread hatred”.

 

[impalass]

And none of those countries, other than the muslim countries in the Middle East, would care if you spoke against their religion.

In fact, the muslims in our countries behave very poorly if we exercise our freedoms of expression in our own lands. Theo Van Gogh was murdered for a movie called, ‘Submission’ and his friend Ayan Hirsi Ali has to have 24 hour guard.

Geert Wilders has to have 24 hour guard and has a fatwa over his head (to be murdered). and the muslims work to censor him in our own Western lands and some behave as dhimmi (subjugated ones) already - in their own lands because of poor behavior by muslims in their lands.

Father Botros has a fatwa on his head and the muslims work to censor him in our own Western lands.

the list goes on… usually these kinds of stories are just neverending.

  Off topic:  


    I am not standing up for Muslims.  I stand up for all law abiding citizens where ever they are from or whatever their beliefs. I am irish decent from a few generations back but I do believe that Muslims generally speaking practice their faith 5 times a day.   Latest statistics show most catholics don't go to weekly sunday mass and millions of others (like myself) don't go at all or follow the teachings..  

     If you and I were born in the middle east (luck of the draw of lack of) we would be following their ways and condemning the west.  Its a no win situation.  We should just take care of business here.  Let justice prevail in this isolated incident.

 

[sedonaman]

the bigotry and hatred is in your head.

They always use the race card as their last resort, but are now being forced to wear that shoe on themselves, and it hurts a little.

 

[R_not]

Again, we are not the policemen of the world. Every country sets their own traditional standards. Do some countries seem barbaric. Yes. Do millions of US ciitizens believe abortion is murder. Yes! We can’t be the pot calling the kettle black if we murder indiscriminately as well. There are a lot of americans that have been given the death penalty for crimes they never committed. Who are we to judge?

Oh yes we can when our superior laws mete out a trial and punishment according to a set of rules that allows for a defense and for all people to experience equality - as best as a human can do.

And when these people bring their nasty set of laws - sharia laws - then our laws supercede these laws. And we are not encouraged or commanded, via a religious text (which is actually more like Mein Kampf than not!), to do atrocities to another. And that is what the koran commands.

If you want to bring the Bible into this - there is no command to keep on murdering people, to keep on torturing people, or even to keep on stoning women, etc. Jesus stopped a stoning while mohammed commanded them quite often.

Are you so unfamiliar with the koran and its commands to torture, kill, take booty (both in goods and humans), and deceive? And all that is for their god, allah/mohammed.

Stop acting like we should be ashamed of our laws. YES, HUMAN BEINGS DO ABOMINABLE THINGS and it is how our civilization handles those humans who do those things and if a civilization encourages them or does not encourage them.

 

[impalass]

Because that would be the true test of whether or not Islam condemns this act as a murder. MW claims it is a sin according to Islam. If that is true, then if he committed it in an Islamic country, he would be severely punished for his sin.

The people might be “the Church”, but they are not necessarily the official word of the Church. Sorta like your [and MW’s] claim that not all Muslims represent Islam.

So, now find me some official Church doctrine that shows its official policy is to “spread hatred”.

You know and I know there is no church doctrine. Thats a good thing. Has the church committed heinous crimes over the centuries?. Absolutely. Today there are millions of very good christians. Today there are many christians that are biggoted and hateful towards others. Many are the same ones that sit in the front pew at church on sundays preaching how good they are.
You don't have to have something in your doctrine, you just have to stand up and say something is wrong if it is. It wasn't too many generations ago we had slavery in this country. People owning people. A disgusting time of our history. The churches put their heads in the sand and did nothing. Thats sad, but true. We have a lot to be sorry for.

 

[ralphinal]

If we never learn from the punishment for our crimes then that indicates that our system is broken. We need a new way. Are harsher sentences required for heinous crimes or do we spend more billions hoping to re-habilitate people from their wrong doings? I do believe that minor current offenses should not be punishment in jail. Our jails are bursting with minor crime perps now.

I was not clear about what I was saying. Basically there are three groups of people. There are those who basically will not break the law. that is a majority of people, depending on the law in question. There is the second group who would consider it or do it under the right conditions. The third group are those who could care less about what the law is. The third group is not affected by the potential of jail time or what others have received as punishment. The second group may or may not be interested or affected by it. In other words, there are some folks who will always break the laws no matter what. Most spouse abusers are in this catagory.

    Will this Muslim man be tried by 12 members of his peers?  12 Muslim men or women, or 12 jurors picked at random from the community?    Remember the OJ case.   We know he got off because the  jury was stacked in his favor.  It will be interesting.

Part of the reason was the jury in the OJ Civil case. The other part was the fact that his fame and fortune allowed him the “Dream Team.” A jury cannot be chosen in America based on religion or ethnic background, so he will not be given that kind of jury. It will be 12 people at random

 

[impalass]

Oh yes we can when our superior laws mete out a trial and punishment according to a set of rules that allows for a defense and for all people to experience equality - as best as a human can do.

And when these people bring their nasty set of laws - sharia laws - then our laws supercede these laws. And we are not encouraged or commanded, via a religious text (which is actually more like Mein Kampf than not!), to do atrocities to another. And that is what the koran commands.

If you want to bring the Bible into this - there is no command to keep on murdering people, to keep on torturing people, or even to keep on stoning women, etc. Jesus stopped a stoning while mohammed commanded them quite often.

Are you so unfamiliar with the koran and its commands to torture, kill, take booty (both in goods and humans), and deceive? And all that is for their god, allah/mohammed.

Stop acting like we should be ashamed of our laws. YES, HUMAN BEINGS DO ABOMINABLE THINGS and it is how our civilization handles those humans who do those things and if a civilization encourages them or does not encourage them.

Why are you so fascinated and concerned about what others do in their country.  Haven't we got enough of our own problems to deal with rather then looking down our noses at others.  if you have such concerns write letters to their country leaders and tell them to be like us.

 No I have never read the Quaran.   But I do know their are murders, slavery, and suicides written into our own bible history and no one questions why that is acceptable.   We have many stories in our own bible that are conflicting, incorrect and often questionable.   It can't be considered a non-fiction book.   I am sure you are aware of what I speak?

 

[R_not]

Off topic:

    I am not standing up for Muslims.  I stand up for all law abiding citizens where ever they are from or whatever their beliefs. I am irish decent from a few generations back but I do believe that Muslims generally speaking practice their faith 5 times a day.   Latest statistics show most catholics don't go to weekly sunday mass and millions of others (like myself) don't go at all or follow the teachings..  

     If you and I were born in the middle east (luck of the draw of lack of) we would be following their ways and condemning the west.  Its a no win situation.  We should just take care of business here.  Let justice prevail in this isolated incident.

And in islam, practicing their faith means to deceive us about islam. The intent of jihad is to make islam the superior, or dominant, religion/force everywhere. That is plainly stated not only in their koran but done quite often by their clerics.

And they work tirelessly doing that and we work to stop that onslaught. And it is tough when there is a group - the left/liberals - who are allowing them to have their ways.

They have their ways with our children by allowing their fairy tales in our history books.
islam’s infiltration into our schools

document

Or their attempts at bringing back segregation which is a definite way to establish a hierarchy of who is more deserving than another. They bring it back under the disguise of ‘modesty’. When in fact they think that not only their own women are dirty, but so are non-muslims (they think are at the same level of pigs, apes and feces/urine). All they do is bring it back step by step.

If we did that to them, or blacks, the outcry would be deafening - no matter what the excuse.

They want our children to ‘pray/dress like a muslim’ and there is no one demanding that their children do the same! I think that they should be treated like dhimmi if they want our kids to be a muslim for a day!

They demand prayer times, foot baths, that they don’t touch port (we are not asking them to eat it for crying out loud!), etc. but, they are NOT accepting our rules and are indeed trying to bring sharia laws into our lands. I don’t care if they pray 5 times a day - do it on their breaks. Stop demanding that everyone else accomodate them. KEEP THEIR RELIGION AT HOME OR IN THE MOSQUE.

They can change the times of prayer for crying out loud.

No, I don’t want to police their countries - I find them pathetic. the worst human rights abuses come from them. But, I don’t want my country made into one of their Middle East holes either. I take mulitculturalism and flush it down the toilet. I don’t care if you are Irish, or Russian. It is irrelevent. Not all cultures are equal or else they wouldn’t be clamoring to come to our shores. and the reverse is not true.