Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

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But he said said you can’t call him “Father”. He is still a priest but you can’t call him that.
I will just say again, it’s sad and might get sadder. I hope if he needs help he gets it.
 
debraran said:
But he said said you can’t call him “Father”. He is still a priest but you can’t call him that.
I will just say again, it’s sad and might get sadder. I hope if he needs help he gets it.
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Understood - that is what he said.

However, I’m not following his directives.
His community group (SOLT) said this:

**"SOLT has contemporaneously with the issuance of this press release directed Fr. John Corapi, under obedience, to return home to the Society’s regional office and take up residence there. It has also ordered him, again under obedience, to dismiss the lawsuit he has filed against his accuser.

SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry."**

In other words, this man is a priest.
He’s not a turnip or a layman or a zucchini.
He is a priest, Father John Corapi.

That’s my point. Can you see that?
 
Yes, but he can’t use the title. If he decides to leave, I got that impression when he said he was unhappy for a long time, then I still feel he is a priest but “by the book” but wouldn’t be considered one by the church.
I think the words don’t always mean as much as what is in the heart.
 
debraran said:
Yes, but he can’t use the title. If he decides to leave, I got that impression when he said he was unhappy for a long time, then I still feel he is a priest but “by the book” but wouldn’t be considered one by the church.
I think the words don’t always mean as much as what is in the heart.
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He can and might use the title.
He IS Father John Corapi.
Yet he can NOT have a public ministry.
He can NOT “book” speaking engagements -
because he has been removed from public ministry.

Nonetheless, within his ‘community’ within the Chruch,
he is most certainly Father John Corapi.

If you are implying that he is looking for a career
under the name “John Corapi,” then yes, I agree that
seems to be very likely. Yet I will not change hisname/title
for him. That action is a matter for Church authority -
not for you or for me or for Father John Anthony Corapi.

If/when his superiors state that he is
not Father Corapi, then I’ll do the same.
 
debraran said:
That I do undeerstand, a lot of semantics, but his is what he is.
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Really, I’m not working at making this difficult for you.
Really, it’s not a question of semantics.

It’s more a question of Church authority.
Father Corapi has NO authority to declare himself “not a priest.”
He IS a priest. If the Church ever finds good reason to laicize him,
even at his own simple request, the Church will tell him and us about that change.

Not about sematics.

More about Sacramentality.
More about Church authority.
More about the Virtue of obedience.
 
debraran said:
Yes, but he can’t use the title. If he decides to leave, I got that impression when he said he was unhappy for a long time, then I still feel he is a priest but “by the book” but wouldn’t be considered one by the church.
I think the words don’t always mean as much as what is in the heart.
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catharina said:
He can and might use the title.
He IS Father John Corapi.
Yet he can NOT have a public ministry.
He can NOT “book” speaking engagements -
because he has been removed from public ministry.

Nonetheless, within his ‘community’ within the Chruch,
he is most certainly Father John Corapi.

If you are implying that he is looking for a career
under the name “John Corapi,” then yes, I agree that
seems to be very likely. Yet I will not change hisname/title
for him. That action is a matter for Church authority -
not for you or for me or for Father John Anthony Corapi.

If/when his superiors state that he is
not Father Corapi, then I’ll do the same.
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debraran said:
That I do undeerstand, a lot of semantics, but his is what he is.
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This is not so complicated. When a priest, brother, nun or sister is on leave, for whatever reason, he or she retains his or her title and may use it.

When a dispensation is granted, the person continues to be a priest. To be laicised means that you return to live in the lay state. However, you are not a layman. You will be a priest until you die. You cannot undo ordination. Your authority is taken away. However, if you choose to celebrate the sacraments, after a dispensation, they are all valid, except for absolution and marriage, because you need faculties for those. However, if a person is need urgent need of confession and you’re the only priest available, the absolution is valid. The Church supplies as long as there is no impediment.

Once you receive your dispensation, the Church commands you to lay aside the title and the religious garb and to live the life of a layman. However, there are restrictions that will never be lifted. You may not teach theology, be a lector, EMHC, or hold any public ministry unless the bishop authorizes it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
This is not so complicated. When a priest, brother, nun or sister is on leave, for whatever reason, he or she retains his or her title and may use it.

When a dispensation is granted, the person continues to be a priest. To be laicised means that you return to live in the lay state. However, you are not a layman. You will be a priest until you die. You cannot undo ordination. Your authority is taken away. However, if you choose to celebrate the sacraments, after a dispensation, they are all valid, except for absolution and marriage, because you need faculties for those. However, if a person is need urgent need of confession and you’re the only priest available, the absolution is valid. The Church supplies as long as there is no impediment.

Once you receive your dispensation, the Church commands you to lay aside the title and the religious garb and to live the life of a layman. However, there are restrictions that will never be lifted. You may not teach theology, be a lector, EMHC, or hold any public ministry unless the bishop authorizes it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Thank you, Brother.
I stepped away from this thread for 2 minutes,
thinking, “where is Brother JR when you need him?”
then I return and find you here. AMEN.
 
catharina said:
Thank you, Brother.
I stepped away from this thread for 2 minutes,
thinking, “where is Brother JR when you need him?”
then I return and find you here. AMEN.
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It’s my Nija powers. :rotfl:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
This is not so complicated. When a priest, brother, nun or sister is on leave, for whatever reason, he or she retains his or her title and may use it.

When a dispensation is granted, the person continues to be a priest. To be laicised means that you return to live in the lay state. However, you are not a layman. You will be a priest until you die. You cannot undo ordination. Your authority is taken away. However, if you choose to celebrate the sacraments, after a dispensation, they are all valid, except for absolution and marriage, because you need faculties for those. However, if a person is need urgent need of confession and you’re the only priest available, the absolution is valid. The Church supplies as long as there is no impediment.

Once you receive your dispensation, the Church commands you to lay aside the title and the religious garb and to live the life of a layman. However, there are restrictions that will never be lifted. You may not teach theology, be a lector, EMHC, or hold any public ministry unless the bishop authorizes it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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So where exactly does Fr. Corapi stand right now? Last I heard SOLT said they would help him seek a dispensation if he requested it. It seems that he’s stuck in a sort of limbo. Perhaps he is seeking a dispensation and then will continue with the blacksheepdog. It almost seems as if he’s simply using the time he has being in limbo with the Church (however long it may be) to simply move on for the time being. But sooner or later the official status of what he is considered should be revealed, correct?
 
“The SOLT will do all within its power to assist Fr. Corapi if he desires to seek a dispensation from his rights and obligations as a priest and as a professed member of the SOLT.”

So fast forwarding on all the situations that have occured, where does Corapi stand? As far as anyone knows, he has not asked for a dispensation. So does he have to do something eventually, or can he just stay limbo as it may seem?
 
Is it possible that the Church will just leave him in the condition he is in or will announce what exactly he is. I think this is the most confusing question and the most pressing. Is he simply in a limbo state or will the Church clear this up?
 
catharina said:
Must add … I pray for Fr. C as all of us should.
I even suspect that his thinking might be very
clouded by the years of drug abuse. Even when
one no longer abuses drugs (regularly) old brain
damages can become apparent as one ages. If
that’s the situation with him, then - how very sad.

Nevertheless, I’m in agreement with SOLT in
that Father is not fit for public ministry right now.

That fact is perfectly clear to me.
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Years of drug and/or alcohol abuse can indeed result in brain damage, & that damage can create all kinds of bizarre behaviour.
I have a neighbor who is in this situation. After years of nearly drinking himslef to death, he now lives in a state of confusion. I have, in the past, had to call the police to protect me from him, when he became convinced that I was:eek: trying to kill him. (He told the responding officer that “she goes out at night & sabotages trees to make them fall” on him…and he believes that!).
It is a sad condition. It is also a potentially dangerous one, since actual brain cells have been destroyed in the centers of the brain that keep people from thinking logically & from behaving appropriately.
I pray for Fr Corapi.
 
Robertanthony said:
Nice job, qui est ce. He got security advice from the FBI:confused: When I talked to Mr. Obama on the phone yesterday, he told me…
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FBI not = to secret service…

FBI agents are not so mysterious… I happen to be related to an agent, I get advise from him all the time… The stories are interesting too…
 
Zooey said:
Years of drug and/or alcohol abuse can indeed result in brain damage, & that damage can create all kinds of bizarre behaviour.
I have a neighbor who is in this situation. After years of nearly drinking himslef to death, he now lives in a state of confusion. I have, in the past, had to call the police to protect me from him, when he became convinced that I was:eek: trying to kill him. (He told the responding officer that “she goes out at night & sabotages trees to make them fall” on him…and he believes that!).
It is a sad condition. It is also a potentially dangerous one, since actual brain cells have been destroyed in the centers of the brain that keep people from thinking logically & from behaving appropriately.
I pray for Fr Corapi.
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Totally get your drift, Zooey.

I had a boss like that. The
situation was so terribly sad
because she had been off all drugs
for more than 20 yrs. Nonetheless as she
entered her 60s, her extensive brain damage
became terribly obvious to all around her -
but it was never obvious to her, the saddest part of all.

Hence, my thinking about Father C’s current condition.
 
catharina said:
Totally get your drift, Zooey.

I had a boss like that. The
situation was so terribly sad
because she had been off all drugs
for more than 20 yrs. Nonetheless as she
entered her 60s, her extensive brain damage
became terribly obvious to all around her -
but it was never obvious to her, the saddest part of all.

Hence, my thinking about Father C’s current condition.
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That has always been my thought…🙂
 
dfp42 said:
So where exactly does Fr. Corapi stand right now? Last I heard SOLT said they would help him seek a dispensation if he requested it. It seems that he’s stuck in a sort of limbo. Perhaps he is seeking a dispensation and then will continue with the blacksheepdog. It almost seems as if he’s simply using the time he has being in limbo with the Church (however long it may be) to simply move on for the time being. But sooner or later the official status of what he is considered should be revealed, correct?
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dfp42 said:
“The SOLT will do all within its power to assist Fr. Corapi if he desires to seek a dispensation from his rights and obligations as a priest and as a professed member of the SOLT.”

So fast forwarding on all the situations that have occured, where does Corapi stand? As far as anyone knows, he has not asked for a dispensation. So does he have to do something eventually, or can he just stay limbo as it may seem?
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dfp42 said:
Is it possible that the Church will just leave him in the condition he is in or will announce what exactly he is. I think this is the most confusing question and the most pressing. Is he simply in a limbo state or will the Church clear this up?
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Normally, if a priest, brother, sister or nun simply leaves without permission, the superior must contact the person and try to reach some kind of agreement. If the person wishes to request a dispensation, the superior can sponsor him, if the superior agrees with him. If he disagrees with the request, the superior has the moral duty to share his reasons with the Holy See. His reasons weigh very heavily.

In Father Corapi’s case, there are two dispensations to be had. He must be dispensed from the SOLT and from the priesthood. The Holy See can grant one and not the other.

If the person has abused a child, there is no waiting. The paper work is rushed through by the superior. This is not the case here.

Father has been suspended. The usual waiting period is about five-years. If the person does not do something pro-active during that time, the superior has the right to request that the person be dismissed. Remember, I said the usual waiting period is about five -years. The superior does not have to wait five-years, nor does any bishop. This is just a custom, not a law.

The difference between dismissal and dispensation is the same as an honorable discharge and a dishonorable discharge. The effects are the same. You return to life as a lay person. You can receive the sacraments and you’re even allowed to marry in the Church, if you find the right person. However, if you are dismissed, as I said above, you may not exercise any ministry. You can’t even serve mass. If you ask for a dispensation and it is granted, things are different.

The Holy See reserves the right to command you to return to your community or your diocese. In Father’s case, it would be his community. They rarely do this, unless there is a good reason, such as mental illness. If a person becomes mentally ill while in the service of the Church, the Church is very good about taking care of you. Obviously, you can’t function in public ministry, but the Church does not abandon you.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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