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catharina
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I’ve worked for the Dept of Defense (wartime)
and for the Dept of Justice (peacetime).
Never have I been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement!
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and for the Dept of Justice (peacetime).
Never have I been asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement!
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sojo
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True 'nuff. And how ironic that this attitude is being espoused by someone who never went beyond clerk typist in a safe office in Germany. Seems he never got past that slight.
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TheRealJuliane
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Warriors is MY term. I use it for men who are…well, warriors! They thrive in a battlefield, either on the field of war or a police force, etc. They fight on our behalf. Not hanging out with a lot of those types at the moment, so I can’t say that your opinion of their speech is correct. I have been around some warrior types in the past, and they were not that macho and derogatory of others. Not swaggering, more humble.
But perhaps I just knew some rare types.
I will continue to reiterate, as many times as it takes, that this imagery that Fr. Corapi has evidently used practically his whole speaking career, is incongruous and inappropriate coming from a priest. HE is not supposed to be any sort of sheepdog - Jesus is the shepherd. He has invented this job for himself, as some sort of branding of this label “The Black Sheepdog.” And justified the term with this military BS that came from Col. Grossman who knew an old Vietnam vet…Well, the whole thing is bogus, IMO. Fr. Corapi is twisting everything to suit his own ends. If he’s the sheepdog, he’s OK to be alone, patrolling around the outside of the group, being a tough guy. If he’s actually called to be a priest, then he’s supposed to be part of the herd, even if his job within the herd has more grace and responsibility than just the normal sheep.
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Quis_ut_Deus_3
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May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you,
In Catholic theology, the Church Universal is traditionally divided into: the Church Militant (Ecclesia Militans), made up of Christians on earth who are living and who struggle against sin, devil and “…the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (Ephesians 6:12). the Church Triumphant (Ecclesia Triumphans), those who are in Heaven, and the Church Suffering (Ecclesia Penitens), consisting of those Christians presently in Purgatory**.
Hence, Fr Corapi’s use of military terminology…
God bless you,
Quis ut Deus 3
In Catholic theology, the Church Universal is traditionally divided into: the Church Militant (Ecclesia Militans), made up of Christians on earth who are living and who struggle against sin, devil and “…the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (Ephesians 6:12). the Church Triumphant (Ecclesia Triumphans), those who are in Heaven, and the Church Suffering (Ecclesia Penitens), consisting of those Christians presently in Purgatory**.
Hence, Fr Corapi’s use of military terminology…
God bless you,
Quis ut Deus 3
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Miriam1947
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Well IMHO this subject is done. Unsubscribing now.
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7_Sorrows
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“The Shepherd’s Crook” - LOL!! you make some very good points.Warriors is MY term. I use it for men who are…well, warriors! They thrive in a battlefield, either on the field of war or a police force, etc. They fight on our behalf. Not hanging out with a lot of those types at the moment, so I can’t say that your opinion of their speech is correct. I have been around some warrior types in the past, and they were not that macho and derogatory of others. Not swaggering, more humble.
But perhaps I just knew some rare types.
I will continue to reiterate, as many times as it takes, that this imagery that Fr. Corapi has evidently used practically his whole speaking career, is incongruous and inappropriate coming from a priest. HE is not supposed to be any sort of sheepdog - Jesus is the shepherd. He has invented this job for himself, as some sort of branding of this label “The Black Sheepdog.” And justified the term with this military BS that came from Col. Grossman who knew an old Vietnam vet…Well, the whole thing is bogus, IMO. Fr. Corapi is twisting everything to suit his own ends. If he’s the sheepdog, he’s OK to be alone, patrolling around the outside of the group, being a tough guy. If he’s actually called to be a priest, then he’s supposed to be part of the herd, even if his job within the herd has more grace and responsibility than just the normal sheep. If anything, he should be calling himself, “The Shepherd’s Crook.”
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Veridical16
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Thanks Quis ut Deus, there are military analogies regarding our Faith. Also the Gospel spoke well of Roman Soldiers. We also, you probably know this, have theological aspects regarding the angels. So there are appropriate times and use of military applications.
While that is good. I still think Julianne and others objecting to Corapi’s own applications to boost himsefl are valid.
Seems to me, it is reflective of his own self-worth from his own embellished record, perhaps some form of compensation for a military record that he was compelled to exaggerate about.
Also his self-assignment of a Rogue Sheepdog, when he is a priest, and when we have the Bishops and the Pope. And Jesus as The shepherd is annoying and off putting to be honest.
I’ve seen that Sheepdog analogy before regarding some family members serving in the last decade. Jwinch has a point about world views especially since servicemen see us as civilians to protect/guard, but it certainly is being used out of context by Corapi. I agree with you and others that that specific analogy that has been used reflects specifically on Corapi’s obstinacy and less on any application toward HIS priestly duties. It’s a subjective twist on his own disobedience. It reminds me of when philosophers take an existing specific occurrence in one field, like in biology, and apply it in another field. It doesn’t work! Bishop Sheen even warns about this…I still don’t like the inference that because I am a law-abiding citizen who has not been called to serve in the military or be a police officer (I’m a female), I am a “sheep.” The “sheepdogs” seem to be putting themselves into a special category which sets them apart in a rather conceited way, IMO. I am insulted by being called a “sheep,” and the language Col. Grossman uses to describe us “sheep” is also pretty rude.
Yes on the bsd page last week, Fr. Corapi tends to talk down on his previous consumers in one of his comments replying to the “haters” and referring to them while he would take down the “haters” comments which are really just pleading with him to return, he won’t because he doesn’t want to displease them.
His carefully dressed comment (which agrees with the fan that those objecting to his decisions are ‘haters’ ) reminds me of the Pharisee saying something akin to “i’m so glad I’m not like the other sinners.” It’s like "Hey! you’re part of the Lord’s sheepfold too! " Only Jesus has the Truth, and he gives it & grace freely! Yet according to that comment, many are deprived and hungry without the ministry of a black sheep dog.
As long as he is disobedient, others have said, and from the pulse I got on his webpage which is really directed at remaining hangers-on, all you can get is half-truth and lies from now on…All this is punctuated by his “Onward!” phrasing.
Sheepdog my foot. It’s bogus.
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Veridical16
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lol, julianne’s been spot on this bsd controversy stuff. Very even keeled & on guard!“The Shepherd’s Crook” - LOL!! you make some very good points.
Injects some humor too!
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Veridical16
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That’s not heresy. It’s just being silly.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
While he hasn’t been heterodox more or less, ( give or take a few material errors he might have said during his twenty years)
He could fall into heresy and error theologically if he continues on this path though, no??
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catharina
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Oh, ya’ think?
As in NO KIDDING.
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J_Katherine
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If NON SERVIAM isn’t the original heterodoxy, I don’t know what is.
While he hasn’t been heterodox more or less, ( give or take a few material errors he might have said during his twenty years)
He could fall into heresy and error theologically if he continues on this path though, no??
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aperez23
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I know that this is a disappointing situation for everyone. But Just remember, What he taught was not in error. Especially when it came to teachings of the CCC. He taught what the Catholic Church had always taught us and there were many who did learn a lot about their FAITH by him and other great teachers. I think that are still teaching us. Especially those at Catholic Answers. Behind closed doors he failed himself. Just a thought never to put your faith in man but In GOD! Man willl disappoint,
God never disappoints you especially when he uses as a tool to bring you closer to him!
Food for thought!
God never disappoints you especially when he uses as a tool to bring you closer to him!
Food for thought!
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Veridical16
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lol, good point! I guess I was being too technical about “teaching” “heresy”…
I think JR was making a valid observation though.
Yeah, but now his sin of disobedience is public. Thanks for your faithful words though! This Corapi Controversy stuff still should not be an encouragement to neglect giving thanks to God to those penitent and the Church faithful who are striving to persevere to the end. Man will disappoint, but the ones who ask for forgiveness should restore one’s faith in our neighbors.
Some people actually do reflect God’s holiness! Many have come to know God by the works of God’s friends who’ve stayed in the race.
I agree, God is where the everlasting waters are. It’s very comforting to take refuge. Very Humbling…
Right! I was just discussing whether his military analogies might be apt or appropriate in the context of Corapi’s justifications. No matter what, they are an insult and totally not applicable to his duties.
Maybe I’m parsing my words too much now!
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catharina
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:
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Veridical16
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Yes, while I do agree the Corapi situation has wrapped itself up for what it is (For instance I stopped checking this topic for a few weeks. I won’t go to that bsd website nothing can be gained anymore, and quite frankly if its God’s will, I hope his outfit goes bankrupt! and he is humbled) Cut the late comers some slack. For instance, aperez23 only has five posts! He wanted to add in his two cents maybe? Probably did not see the two earlier threads that might have repeated his posts because he wasn’t participating the way others have been this past month.
And Catharina, I earlier ignored the sarcastic post you said to me, because whatever! No biggie…but I find it peculiar that less overt insults or uncharitable posts towards other participators on this forum, are allowed just because they are done in a passive aggressive manner. And because, the recipients aren’t butthurt enough to flag it.
It’s like, hey, just because you guys are more veteran posters, doesn’t mean you can passive-aggressively try to police what others say or how they chime in a forum thread.
Does reaching 10,000 posts give one Mod delusions or something?
When this thread is locked it’ll be locked. Discussion of Military Analogies/Theology regarding Church history certainly was a new angle.
I don’t care if Aperez made some points that have been restated or I replied to him, reiterating something I said in an earlier Corapi thread. I wouldn’t care if Fr. Corapi’s news, or any other News that brings up reiterated points allowed people to say, 'look to Jesus! ’ a million times, or that this scandal points us to a scriptural passage a million times because I would check and just leave and let others talk if they felt they had something to say! We might catch up with some of the angels who say Holy, Holy, Holy over and over.
Perhaps some who have been on the first three threads have seen it all, but others obviously dont’ have the same experience. And others have touched on other relevant contexts. Like this was written just yesterday touching on Martin Luther fightingirishthomas.com/2011/07/corapi-corrupted-part-v-orthodox.html#more
This is as confusing as the posts who say “I don’t care about this topic” when they could have just bothered not even posting on the thread.
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catharina
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Sorry. I haven’t a clue. What post?
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Netty313
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Thanks for posting the link to Fighting Irish Thomas.
I’m afraid this is what happened regarding Fr. Euteneuer; folks stopped discussing the situation (saying they were beating a dead horse, or whatever), yet his victims are still waiting (and waiting!) for the bishop to defrock FTE, unable to battle this situation on their own by bringing him to court, as they themselves remain “gravely harmed.” And FWIW, Corapi was Fr. Euteneuer’s spiritual advisor (some do not know this), so these two men were closely-enough tied, anyway, which is more reason for prayer (and concern) all around. fightingirishthomas.com/2011/03/greatest-of-falls-was-corapi-complicit.html
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TheRealJuliane
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Ha ha, I have my moments! That just came to me as I wrote, and I thought, “that’s apt.”
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7_Sorrows
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