Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

[Netty313]

Whoops; I answered you, J_Katherine, with the wrong quote highlighted. My apologies.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Shoshana, for what it’s worth, John Corapi has always had a strong prayer partner in you. Your support is evident in every thread on these boards that mentions his name, and you have never once failed to find an explanation that favors him for every question asked. I hope that your prayers help to bring him back to his senses. But I beg to differ with you that stating the facts in this case–or asking questions about them–constitutes either sinful speculation or behavior worthy of closing down a thread. If this thread is closed down because discussion is occurring, then this is not a discussion board.

I strongly disagree with your implication that no priest’s actions may ever be justly questioned or criticized (certainly not a proposition applied to countless priests and bishops discussed on these boards), and your need to tell others what their sins are, but I am not asking this thread to be shut down or you to go to confession over it. No one is asking you to participate in what you consider to be sinful, so for your own spiritual peace it might be better for you to stick to the Facebook pages that refuse to allow anything but unequivocal support of Fr Corapi, no matter what the facts demonstrate.

i agree with everything you brought up.

 

[sojo]

Well then. Since some of us are still here, and the moderators have not shut us down, I’d like to discuss something that has been raised repeatedly. Its the whole thing about St. Francis saying he’d kiss the feet (or was it hands?) of a priest cohabiting with concubines.

My study of St. Francis included the fact of his absolute obedience to Church authority. If said priest with his concubines was suspended by Church authority as not worthy to preach or serve the sacraments, would St. Francis have continued to receive the holy Eucharist from said priest’s hands? Or would he have obeyed the Church authority to avoid this priest?

Our one ongoing religious contributor (Br. JR) has educated us all on the importance, indeed the holiness of obedience and the authority of religious orders and societies. Wow - has that been an education or what?

Didn’t St. Francis have to schlep back to the Pope to state his case at some point? And he said he would do whatever the Pope commanded. He was very obedient.

 

[debraran]

I also feel that phrase was to give honor to the eucharist and anyone who could give it to him. That when repeated with John Corapi, makes me sad, because even after what he said about his conversion, he didn’t yearn to do that, didn’t want to help in neighboring parish’s, say mass. It’s not that preaching isn’t important, but it was his “seemingly” lack of desire to do it. To me, humbly ignorant in this area, that is a big part of being a priest. He made 100.000 his first month selling DVD’s, it only got better after that, he was like any other businessman except he sold church doctrine. Everything he said was there for anyone to see or read, his stories were what made fans come and that might be why they grew a bit over the years.

When I hear of men, priests that travel miles over hard terain, bad weather, etc. to bring the eucharist to men and women and children in remote areas, it gives me awe. I remembering listening and reading about these priests and how grateful many were to get him even for a day or two and then wait again for months. These priests don’t have “fans” companies or fast cars, but they know what being a priest is, not just making money, not boasting, but being a humble servant to God. Words are important, but living them is important also.

 

[Netty313]

…Its the whole thing about St. Francis saying he’d kiss the feet (or was it hands?) of a priest cohabiting with concubines.

My study of St. Francis included the fact of his absolute obedience to Church authority. If said priest with his concubines was suspended by Church authority as not worthy to preach or serve the sacraments, would St. Francis have continued to receive the holy Eucharist from said priest’s hands? Or would he have obeyed the Church authority to avoid this priest?

Someone commented on our blog about the St. Francis story, and my husband answered …

Write Corapi and tell him you want (per St. Francis) to kiss his hands. I’m curious as to hear what he says.

He hasn’t yet heard back from the commenter …

 

[Cinette]

I read an interpretation of this parable in In Conversation With God that likened the tares to false doctrine, not people. The enemy sows the bad seed amidst the good seed and even a trained eye cannot distinguish one from the other until they have matured and show either good or bad fruit.

We cannot rely on ourselves to make such distinctions, but we have the Church to do so for us. If an individual, whether Martin Luther or John Corapi, refuses to obey the Church, their judgment cannot be trusted. Luther’s weeds have matured so now we can plainly see his was used by the enemy to sow the bad seed of false doctrine. As long as John Corapi “calls his own shots” and refuses obedience to the Church, his words cannot be trusted.

God is not finished with John Corapi yet. I pray for his repentance and look for the day when his return will make the devil wish he had never tampered with this priest.

em

*Interesting.

Yes we should pray for Fr Corapi and hope he will humble himself and come home.

Cinette*

 

[Robertanthony]

Well then. Since some of us are still here, and the moderators have not shut us down, I’d like to discuss something that has been raised repeatedly. Its the whole thing about St. Francis saying he’d kiss the feet (or was it hands?) of a priest cohabiting with concubines.

My study of St. Francis included the fact of his absolute obedience to Church authority.** If said priest with his concubines was suspended by Church authority as not worthy to preach or serve the sacraments, would St. Francis have continued to receive the holy Eucharist from said priest’s hands? Or would he have obeyed the Church authority to avoid this priest? **
Our one ongoing religious contributor (Br. JR) has educated us all on the importance, indeed the holiness of obedience and the authority of religious orders and societies. Wow - has that been an education or what?

Didn’t St. Francis have to schlep back to the Pope to state his case at some point? And he said he would do whatever the Pope commanded. He was very obedient.

You do have a point. I don’t know someone who knows enough about the life of St. Francis to confirm or deny that this story really happened and is not some folklore. And you’re right. obedience is key.

 

[Netty313]

Some of us still want to talk about it for a variety of reasons, some charitable, some not, some to work through their distress and some just now learning about it all. If we cross the line, this thread has moderators. Probably one of the most moderated board I’ve ever been on, and I’ve joined and visited a lot of them!

If anyone doesn’t want to discuss this, or feels it unseemly, or thinks its beating a dead horse is free to chat on any of the other threads. There’s a lot of them out there. Going on and on and on about how wrong it is to keep discussing The Black SheepDog, or accuse the rest of us of sinning, uncharitable thoughts, hating, or what not is just as much beating a dead horse as what they are accusing the rest of us for doing.

In full agreement. Thank you!

 

[vz71]

His facebook page (the BSD one) is now starting to get some scary stuff on it.

People are starting to write in church hymns, changing the lyrics to serve Corapi instead of God.

 

[sojo]

It was turning a bit weird yesterday with folks, even Catholics, defending the total correctness of a possible affiliation with the protestant Skull Church. It seems the lack of the Eucharist was just no big deal to some who posted with pictures of Mary and claims of being devout Catholics. I hesitated to post here about that as it may have been a temporary “thing” that would dissolve. And its all speculation as we have no idea what the BSD really has to do with the Skull Church at this point.

I noticed that some regular fans were mostly posting on his old website for Fr. Corapi, and the old facebook page for Fr. Corapi, rather than on the Black SheepDog pages. Since the two old pages (with all the Marian references and lovely religious pics) went down for good yesterday, I figured there might be a clash as these folks had to finally stop following the BSD online or switch to the new, darker and distinctly non-Catholic flavored sites.

 

[Netty313]

His facebook page (the BSD one) is now starting to get some scary stuff on it.

People are starting to write in church hymns, changing the lyrics to serve Corapi instead of God.

I went looking and could not find what you are referencing. Did you happen to copy any of it?

Crying for Corapi

 

[vz71]

It was posted about 4 hours ago. (that makes it around 8:00 AM EST 7/26/2011)
I am uncertain how to hyperlink to a specific location on the page.
facebook.com/pages/The-Black-SheepDog/234088799941478

 

[J_Katherine]

I went looking and could not find what you are referencing. Did you happen to copy any of it?

Crying for Corapi

The changed hymn lyrics reference is to a post in which one of TBSD’s followers wrote “Here I am, I come to do your will.” A commenter asked why the term “Lord” was missing, but got no clarification. This really isn’t a hymn line; it’s the original Scripture reference on which the hymn “Here I Am” is based.

But the Black SheepDog Facebook page has so totally degenerated into a handful of rabid supporters and rabid critics sniping at each other (along with the US bishops on one side and John Corapi on the other) that it is best to stay away, no matter what camp, if any, you’re in. It may be true, as each side accuses the other, that there are only few people posting under multiple names. There is certainly no information or edification there, and the failure to moderate that page only makes it worse. If participating in the discussion on this thread gives some people fits, the Facebook page is enough to prompt 8 hours of Adoration–and a shower.

 

[sojo]

J_Katherine is right. It is quite icky there at the moment as the old page people and the new page people are colliding. Hopefully, they will sort themselves out or the BSD or webmaster will step in to moderate.

 

[Netty313]

It was posted about 4 hours ago. (that makes it around 8:00 AM EST 7/26/2011)
I am uncertain how to hyperlink to a specific location on the page.
facebook.com/pages/The-Black-SheepDog/234088799941478

Thanks. I saw where some people were referencing it, but couldn’t find the actual hymn. They were talking about our Facebook page, Crying for Corapi, and they said the page made them ill, we were vindictive, and they referred to the administrator as a “priest-hater.” Then one commenter said:

[name redacted] “Those NOT walking in a spirit that is Holy are crying for Corapi. Those walking in the Holy Spirit are rejoicing and moving onward with Corapi.”

 

[Netty313]

The changed hymn lyrics reference is to a post in which one of TBSD’s followers wrote “Here I am, I come to do your will.” A commenter asked why the term “Lord” was missing, but got no clarification. This really isn’t a hymn line; it’s the original Scripture reference on which the hymn “Here I Am” is based.

But the Black SheepDog Facebook page has so totally degenerated into a handful of rabid supporters and rabid critics sniping at each other (along with the US bishops on one side and John Corapi on the other) that it is best to stay away, no matter what camp, if any, you’re in. It may be true, as each side accuses the other, that there are only few people posting under multiple names. There is certainly no information or edification there, and the failure to moderate that page only makes it worse. If participating in the discussion on this thread gives some people fits, the Facebook page is enough to prompt 8 hours of Adoration–and a shower.

Thanks! I was just over there, and boy oh boy, they need a moderator indeed!

 

[sojo]

Nettie! Just to assure you that you are not a priest-hater, and I’m sorry your FB page is being attacked. I joined the page for that reason and also because Jeanette quoted me so I felt I needed to stay in touch, though a big part of me wants to just leave it all behind and leave the poor, hurting Father to whatever his fate may be. I am ashamed…

 

[sojo]

Oh dumb me… Nettie is Jeanette! Got it. Honestly, its amazing I remember who I am most days.

 

[Netty313]

Nettie! Just to assure you that you are not a priest-hater, and I’m sorry your FB page is being attacked. I joined the page for that reason and also because Jeanette quoted me so I felt I needed to stay in touch, though a big part of me wants to just leave it all behind and leave the poor, hurting Father to whatever his fate may be. I am ashamed…

Thanks very much. It’s a puzzlement, the whole situation. I suppose what bothers me most is the elimination of all mention of Mary, when she was directly responsible (according to his story) for him attaining “success” with the faithful, and also Corapi’s silence in general is bothersome. He can see he has strong fans, and these people are standing by him. Seems so selfish he remains [for the most part] mute.

 

[Netty313]

Oh dumb me… Nettie is Jeanette! Got it. Honestly, its amazing I remember who I am most days.

What’s worse is I forget myself.