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Fr Povone unfortunatley only looks at the abortion issue which is very important but imo not the only important issue that needs be looked at.
There’s many votes Brownback has done that I am not happy with and therefore wont be supporting him. His voting record can be googled. There’s too many instances to list and I dont wish to draw it out. Too bad Republicans and Democrats always choose to vote party line the majority of the time.
There’s many votes Brownback has done that I am not happy with and therefore wont be supporting him. His voting record can be googled. There’s too many instances to list and I dont wish to draw it out. Too bad Republicans and Democrats always choose to vote party line the majority of the time.
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Della
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Not according to the article. Fr. Pavone is taking more into consideration than I think you give him credit for.
Abortion is the central issue of our times. If we don’t succeed in getting abortion on demand outlawed, we will find ourselves facing more and more horrors of the same kind. Terri Schiavo was an example of what I mean. Any one of us could end up like her and with no more “right” to say what will happen to us than she had. Already people are being euthanized in Europe who are considered “useless.” Believe me, it could all too easily happen here too–that will be the fate of anyone who can’t speak for himself–you and me when we get old, for instance.
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Dale_M
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Party loyalty gets rewarded. Mavericks often to have to be satisfied with their own independence.
I certainly understand this reluctance. There have been times I haven’t posted because my reply simply would have taken too much effort. Still, I would be interested in hearing some negative things about Brownback. He tends to have a golden glow in religious forums like this one.
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Brad
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I would suggest that he is strongly against embryonic stem-cell research, very much against modifying the definition of marriage to be anything other than one man-one woman, and also strongly against killing the unborn.
If Cathcentrist can find a candidate that is more pro-family than that, then make a case. Being too tired is not a good excuse. Their are lives and families at stake.
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irenaeus1
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I don’t vote the party line… and I don’t care if I agree with him on illegal immigration; I don’t care if I agree with him on the war in Iraq; I don’t care if I agree with any social program that he might advocate, but if he is pro-life and his opponents are not, then I will vote for him. Any candidate who advocates a woman’s right to dismember her child is unfit for public office, and I am not going to sell out to someone who may say that they have all the right solutions (or at least the best solutions) to our social and economic woes provided I accept their advocacy for murder in the womb.
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KathleenElsie
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I will support Brownback for one reason:
IF YOU ARE DEAD NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. So life is the first matter and if Brownback is the only pro-life person running then he gets my vote. OTOH if there are two or more that are pro-life then I will look further into their social stands.
IF YOU ARE DEAD NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. So life is the first matter and if Brownback is the only pro-life person running then he gets my vote. OTOH if there are two or more that are pro-life then I will look further into their social stands.
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Moneo
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Ever since the the prolife movement’s beginnings in the 1970s, this variation on the “single-issue fanatics” argument has been utilised in one form or another to condemn and silence those willing to take a public stand and condemn the evil of abortion. I wish I could understand why on earth a Catholic would take up this chant and use it as a hammer against a fellow Cathoic who is a clear pro-life candidate?
Are the people at the NOW and NARAL not “single-issue fanatics” as well? *Every *… *single *… bloody … time a candidate is proposed, from either party, the first, the VERY FIRST, thing they want to know about is his or her voting record on abortion.
And if there is the slightest suggestion that they are not 100%, unhesitatingly pro-abortion with no restrictions under any circumstances, the hue and cry begins, predicting slavery, death and a life of misery for thousands of women because they will no longer be allowed to murder their children. I have never, ever heard a pro-abort say “abortion rights for women are important, but imo not the only importat issue that needs to be looked at.”No one is suggesting that there aren’t other important issues. What people are saying is that this Senator Brownback is an unhesitatingly pro-life candidate who, in developing his positions on the issues, appears to have recourse to a few moral, philosophical and cultural touchstones just a tad richer than those to which your average politician normally appeals for justification. He appears to me to be a politician who thinks that a leader has a responsibility to lead. Yes, in respresentative democracy elected leaders have to listen to their constituents. But this does not deprive them of their right to develop policies based on the dictates of their consciences and to try and ifluence and lead their constituents rather than just simply responding to the dictates of opinion polls.
I’d rather vote for a candidate who promises to listen to the dictates of his conscience in place of promising to give me everything I think I want.
Immigration, the war in Iraq, the death penalty etc. are ALL very important issues which the American people must address. BUT… abortion is a holocaust industry which must be stopped. If the U.S. stopped all executions of condemned prisoners, liberalised its immigration policies and granted amnesty to every, single undocumented worker currently within its borders and withdrew its troops from Iraq tomorrow, millions might applaud, but it would not diminish or remove the bloodstain on the nation’s soul. The deliberate murder of millions of innocent human beings takes priority.
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If I can’t trust a candidate to know that killing babies is wrong, then I can’t trust them on anything else either and I won’t vote for them. Period. No matter how much I may agree with other issues. Therefore, Brownback gets my vote (and I do agree with most of his other issues anyway).
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LastPew
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Without sounding offensive, I will try to make my statment. If a candidate for any party uses his Faith to inform moral decisions except murder, would I vote for him? I doubt it.
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irenaeus1
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Well, since abortion is murder, then I take it you would vote for him. Great! BTW, what would you expect people to use (if not faith) to inform their moral decisions?
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gmarie21
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Which votes do you not like? Um the legislation that tries to stop the sex slave trade? The fact that he voted to go into Iraq based on the information that he was given (hindsight means diddly squat, you should not judge a person’s decisions based on the true information that they had at the time, the same information that Clinton had agreed with, as well as most Democrats and the rest of the world). Which other votes do you have a gripe about? Usually, it seems (and I’m not directly talking about you) that those on this forum who are against an anti-murder (aka pro-life) candidates for “other” justice reasons, those “other” justice reasons turn out to be the war in Iraq (one reason). All I can say is MONDAY quarterbacking (by the non-professionals) may seem great, but it doesn’t change what the reality was for the SUNDAY game and all the (professional) players involved in the SUNDAY game.
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What is Faith? All reasoning, including moral reasoning, must all include givens taken by faith, otherwise one can never attempt to reason anything.
What is so important about murder, it can be excluded from your standards?
Every person will make their decisions based on some type of faith. Bush does, Clinton did, Carter did, Ford did. Maybe it’s some part utilitrian, moral imperative, pragmatic, or something else.
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Ahimsa
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I guess that’s better than supporting Brokeback for president.
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proud2bcatholic
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Senator Brownback has my full support, he may be the first politician which I actually may send a monetary contribution to.
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bekalc
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While Brownback did support the war, he also came out criticizing the surge. He said that after talking to the Prime minister of Iraq he’s convinced no more troops until the Sunni’s and Shia decide to cooperate.
I’m really thrilled about this and now I’ll be more comfortable supporting him. Besides a nice Catholic convert like me.
I’m really thrilled about this and now I’ll be more comfortable supporting him. Besides a nice Catholic convert like me.
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proud2bcatholic
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For those with a myspace account, you can add Brownback for President as your friend here.
http://www.myspace.com/brownbackforpresident
http://www.myspace.com/brownbackforpresident
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shannyk
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I don’t get why people have bought into the idea that faith and morals should be seprate from public life. Isn’t the whole idea that people should be able to LIVE OUT their faiths in everyday life? Isn’t THAT American?
Can you imagine if someone like Abraham Lincoln didn’t use his sense of Christian morals while he was president? I’ personally am glad he didn’t keep his faith and morals out of his politics.
How about slavery?
Can you imagine if someone like Abraham Lincoln didn’t use his sense of Christian morals while he was president? I’ personally am glad he didn’t keep his faith and morals out of his politics.
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Richardols
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The war in Iraq is a pretty good reason. It certainly cinched my vote against the Republicans running in my state.
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Richardols
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I certainly respect your opinion about that, but that was certainly not the central issue in the past election. The War, massive spending, corruption, massive governmental expansion were the issues that turned the entire Congress over to the Dems. Even the TV talking heads said little or nothing about abortion as a factor in the election.
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