Fr Frank Pavone supports Sentor Brownback for president

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Tancredo just announced that he’s forming an exploratory committee. I’d vote for him over Brownback anytime.
 
Della said:
Abortion is the central issue of our times. If we don’t succeed in getting abortion on demand outlawed, we will find ourselves facing more and more horrors of the same kind. Terri Schiavo was an example of what I mean. Any one of us could end up like her and with no more “right” to say what will happen to us than she had. Already people are being euthanized in Europe who are considered “useless.” Believe me, it could all too easily happen here too–that will be the fate of anyone who can’t speak for himself–you and me when we get old, for instance.
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I agree with you that abortion is a major issue… However, I’m not sure at this point we can change it in the US. The best we can hope for us restrictions on abortion. Until hearts and minds change, abortion won’t. The majority in this country still desire for it to be legal.

In the last Presidential election I was really sceptical that a vote for Bush would mean an end to abortion. I was very afraid that a vote for Bush would mean war with Iran. While this has happened (YET) I did have to watch Lebanon being bombed to smitherians. I think that if we are going to be prolife, we need to truly look at the destruction modern weapons have on the innocent too.
 
The primary reason Republicans lost seats in the last election is that they have lost sense of who they are. The Republican Party was born as the party of Abolitionists. It is high time that they returned to those roots with the greatest human rights issue of our time.

I suspect that I will support Senator Brownback. And no, I don’t think he’ll be able to sign legislation abolitioning abortion. However, I do think that there is a high likelihood of one or two more SC vacancies during the next president’s tenure. Of all the candidates, I have the most assurance that Brownback will nominate and support strict constructionalists and even use a “litmus test.”

Iraq, immigration, unemployment, education, taxes… Who cares, so long as we butcher 1,000,000 babies every year in this country and export our butchery to many other countries as well.
 
If Chuck Hagel runs for president, I might put my support behind him, thinking he might be most likely to win, and has a good pro-life record.

Funny thing is while I might support him for president, but if he runs again for Senate, I’d probably vote against him in the primary.
 
Richardols said:
I certainly respect your opinion about that, but that was certainly not the central issue in the past election. The War, massive spending, corruption, massive governmental expansion were the issues that turned the entire Congress over to the Dems. Even the TV talking heads said little or nothing about abortion as a factor in the election.
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Don’t forget our porous borders. I think many people are upset about that, too.
 
Brad said:
I would suggest that he is strongly against embryonic stem-cell research, very much against modifying the definition of marriage to be anything other than one man-one woman, and also strongly against killing the unborn.

If Cathcentrist can find a candidate that is more pro-family than that, then make a case. Being too tired is not a good excuse. Their are lives and families at stake.
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I hope Newt joins the fray. He is pro-life and I like his chances more than Brownbeck. No one is more intelligent, articulate and capable in any forum than Newt.

But, what I am most afraid of is a split in the Republican Party and we end up with another Clinton because of a 2008 version of Ross Perot.
 
mary_bobo said:
Don’t forget our porous borders. I think many people are upset about that, too.
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Thanks. Yes, that was a big one, too. The GOP just didn’t have anything going for them in '06, and the elections proved it.
 
Right now, based on just my knowlege I’ll take Hagel over Brownback any day. I’ll never forget the fact that Hagel was the only high profile Senator to speak out against what was happening to the Poor Lebanese people this summer. Plus, Hagel has a 100% pro life record on abortion…

I don’t want someone whose just pro life when it comes to babies, I want someone who is pro life in all areas of life, including when it involves innocent Muslim lives.
 
I met Senator Brownback this fall at a Catholic Conference in Kansas City. He is a convert to Catholicism and truely lives his faith. To give you some idea what type of person he is, he coverted to Catholicism from an evangelical background while his wife and children are still evangelicals. I specifically asked him about this since I am a convert as well. He said that he studied the faith and realized that the Catholic church was the fullness of the truth. He still attends evangelical service each week with his family and then attends mass. You tell me what other politician would convert to Catholicism in today society? He also spoke out strong on embryonic stem cell research, abortion, and euthanisa. This is why Fr. Frank Pavone is supporting him. He is the only true Pro-Life candidate in the field and he is Catholic. Doesn’t get much better than that. And like it has been stated before if a politician can’t figure it out that killing babies is murder, than what makes you think they are capable of making other decisions as the leader of our country.
As far as Senator Hagel goes, I live in Nebraska and can tell you that if he ran for Senate today he probably wouldn’t get relected. He goes on T.V. every chance he can get and bashes the president of the United States. Yes this makes Republicans mad. I am a Republican as well as many of friends and across the board we have all said we won’t support Hagel again. He is only speaking out against President Bush because he is trying to appeal to the country for a possible race for the White House, for which he has NO chance. Makes no other sense why he continuely bashes the President, who happens to be a member of his party.
I have no problem with Hagel not supporting Bush, but to go on meet the press every Sunday, because they can’t find any other Republican to do this, and bash President Bush gets real old. His actions not only undermine the war effort in Iraq, but also undermine the Republican party. Hagels in it for himself, which is obvious.
 
I guess it’s better right now not to worry about who to support, but wait to see how things shake out for a while. One problem with Hagel, and in general with Senators, it is a bit hard to guage him as to what he would do as president. I think he’s got a 0% by NARAL, but I don’t know how much that says about him on abortion. He seems his concern is quite a bit with forereign relations. Being a Senator from Nebraska is that his record might just reflect those who voted for him, the Democratic senator from Nebraska is prolife, that’s just going with the flow.

Another thing that is also important to keep in mind is that what one candidate’s position is during the campaign might be one thing, but once the person undertakes the role of the president thoughts and visions can change, with the weight of the office. Bush said he didn’t want to nation build. Clinton seemed to care more about domestic issues, I don’t think he’d have thought about Yugoslavia, Somilia, and the such.
 
Father Frank Pavone is my hero. It takes alot of courage to perseveringly fight for the rights of the preborn and against the culture of death.
 
The primary reason Republicans lost seats in the last election is that they have lost sense of who they are. The Republican Party was born as the party of Abolitionists.
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the abolitionists were also anti-catholic and extremists–look at john brown’s violence towards pro-slavery southerners. they supported nationalism and a war which killed millions of americans to stop a lesser evil. i don’t think abolitionists are a good role model for republicans unless you want more war and bigger government with less state rights.

if there were no civil war, abortion couldn’t be forced on everybody by the federal government.
 
Chuck Hagel has a 100% pro life voting record. If you are going to question his pro life credentials, than I think Brownback’s credentials can be questioned as well. In fact, it is Brownback who has the history of changing his opinion.

I do agree that Chuck Hagel is probably more interested in foreign policy than the pro life movement. But you know something, there isn’t a whole lot the President can do about abortion right now. The only thing he can do is appoint pro-life justices and support bills to limit abortion. In contrast, there is a whole lot our President can do about foreign policy…

The reason I’m not all "oh I will support Brownback because he’s Catholic, is because Brownback didn’t exactly support the Catholics in Lebanon this summer did he. Now, he stood by while their country was being bombed to smitherians. So, pro quo is pro quo, and I would rather support the Anglican who did speak out against the horror that was Lebanon.

I’m tired of people saying that someone should be loyal to a party and not speak up or criticize the President. What is more important please tell me, our President’s ego or human lives…
And it is possible that the reason Hagel speaks the way he does is because he experienced the horror of Vietnam.
There are a lot of problems in the Republican party. The Republican party use to be the party of small government and fiscal responsibilty. However, former President Clinton showed far more fiscal responsibility then George Bush. I could go on and on about this. So, personally I don’t mind a Republican who criticizes the party for going against the party’s core values. Even many voters said it in this term election, the Republicans are now the party of big government.
 
Della said:
Not according to the article. Fr. Pavone is taking more into consideration than I think you give him credit for. 😉

Abortion is the central issue of our times. If we don’t succeed in getting abortion on demand outlawed, we will find ourselves facing more and more horrors of the same kind. Terri Schiavo was an example of what I mean. Any one of us could end up like her and with no more “right” to say what will happen to us than she had. Already people are being euthanized in Europe who are considered “useless.” Believe me, it could all too easily happen here too–that will be the fate of anyone who can’t speak for himself–you and me when we get old, for instance.
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That is so true.😦
 
bekalc said:
Chuck Hagel has a 100% pro life voting record. If you are going to question his pro life credentials, than I think Brownback’s credentials can be questioned as well. In fact, it is Brownback who has the history of changing his opinion.

I do agree that Chuck Hagel is probably more interested in foreign policy than the pro life movement. But you know something, there isn’t a whole lot the President can do about abortion right now. The only thing he can do is appoint pro-life justices and support bills to limit abortion. In contrast, there is a whole lot our President can do about foreign policy…

The reason I’m not all "oh I will support Brownback because he’s Catholic, is because Brownback didn’t exactly support the Catholics in Lebanon this summer did he. Now, he stood by while their country was being bombed to smitherians. So, pro quo is pro quo, and I would rather support the Anglican who did speak out against the horror that was Lebanon.

I’m tired of people saying that someone should be loyal to a party and not speak up or criticize the President. What is more important please tell me, our President’s ego or human lives…
And it is possible that the reason Hagel speaks the way he does is because he experienced the horror of Vietnam.
There are a lot of problems in the Republican party. The Republican party use to be the party of small government and fiscal responsibilty. However, former President Clinton showed far more fiscal responsibility then George Bush. I could go on and on about this. So, personally I don’t mind a Republican who criticizes the party for going against the party’s core values. Even many voters said it in this term election, the Republicans are now the party of big government.
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Hagel needs to find other ways of disagreeing the President of the United States, who happens to be a member of his party than standing beside a bunch of Democrats who are making a living trying to destroy President Bush for political gain. Iraq is not another Viet Nam, unless you are watching CNN and listening to a Democrat. I can tell you I live in Nebraska and talk politics everyday with Republicans and Democrats. The Repbulicans I know dislike Hagel way more than our Democratic Senator, Ben Nelson, myself included.

Brownback is through and through Pro-lIfe, if he wasn’t Father Frank Pavone wouldn’t be endorsing him. You wrote above that the President doesn’t have any power in the pro-life movement??? Who do you think nominates supreme court justicies? That’s right the President. President Bush nominated two pro-life justicies in Alito and Roberts. Roe vs. Wade will only be overturned when the Supreme courts rules against this. A Democratic president will make a point to nominate a pro-death justice and there will be a litmus test on this issue. President Bush has also signed legislation not allowing federal funds to go towards Embryonic stem cell research. A Democratic President wouldn’t do this…heck they are for killing full term babies (partial birth abortion) whats the big deal about killing some embryos.
I have personlly spoke to Senator Brownback and he is the real deal.
 
Brownback is a great guy.
Funding his campaign is going to be rough, though, but imagine if we could just get a million Catholics and other Christians to go to brownback.com and give $10 a week for 10 weeks, he’d have enough for a powerhouse of a campaign. I’m donating to him, but I have to pray his campaign catches on because he is not very well known.

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Dee_Dee_King said:
the abolitionists were also anti-catholic and extremists–look at john brown’s violence towards pro-slavery southerners. they supported nationalism and a war which killed millions of americans to stop a lesser evil. i don’t think abolitionists are a good role model for republicans unless you want more war and bigger government with less state rights.

if there were no civil war, abortion couldn’t be forced on everybody by the federal government.
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Please check the facts. Millions did not die in the War Between the States. The number, as best as can be determined, is under 650,000. And, please, where is backup for your contention that the GOP is the part of bigger government with less states rights?
 
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