Fr. Groeschel compared illegal immigrants to slaves

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These people came here knowing exactly what they were getting into. It’s not like they were forced to come here.

When someone does something completely of free choice and free will, it’s hard to call them slaves.

Both the employers and the illegal immigrants are beaking the law. I believe that the Catechism requires us to follow the just laws of government, so both are sinning.
Should, could, would…

You’re missing the point ahapka.

Employers get off scott free or at most with a slap on the hand. Big hairy deal! “don’t do that anymore” (wink, wink)…bad immigrants…get out of the “land of opportunity” and try your luck elsewhere.

YOu think this is about sin?! you may be right…Our sin! sin against the poor, sin against the oppressed, sin against the persecuted, sin against the destitute. Never mind that the destitute is here, there or half way around the world.

Oh its about sin alright. We’re ok with the accusatory terms of slave trade, oppression and abuse of other humans when it’s about another country, but boy do we sugar coat it when its about us. Not us, we’re a nation of laws and rights and entitlements.

We as a nation are killing God’s sanctifying grace in our nation’s soul… that’s why we can recognize the wrong in other nations but we can’t recognize it in ourselves.
 
I don’t know about the $50 bill part, but the rest is true, particularly the first sentence. That is, in areas where they are a very large percentage of the population, both the schools and the hospitals are virtually “under-siege” by that portion of the immigrant population. The way it affects schools is that, if their population dominates, then the instruction ends up being (illegally) delivered in Spanish, which puts at risk the pre-existing Anglo population, which was often comprised of urban blacks or Asians, or rural whites, depending on the location. (In other words, the newcomers hurting not the rich, but the poorest in the poulation, whom they are supplanting.) The parents of these undocumented are themselves largely illiterate, resulting in little learning happening in the classroom, and certainly no learning of English or in English. The English-speaking or English-learning Mexicans are better assimilated, do not destroy the school systems but instead conform to it, and are generally from the middle class or near-middle class. They come here with skills or prepared to learn skills along with English, along with education in English.

I’ve taught recently in these schools & see the differences. I’ve gone on to a more elevated role in education, but I can see the pattern continuing.

It used to be until quite recently (2-3 years ago) that illegal immigrants were a net gain to the economy. They are now a net drain, because too many of them exploit the social services while not in a position in any near future to replenish those services or the income base which sustains those services.

The problems of the U.S. economy are a mixed result – one of the more positive results being that those immigrants who are not prepared to contribute near-term to our economy have made a decision to return to settings which they are more equipped to navigate, because the initial economic benefits here cannot be as guaranteed as they recently were.
The 50 dolar bill part comes from personal experience. Some of what I said about hospitals comes from personal experience too. I can think of a few emergency room experiences where I was there for kidneystone attacks , and they got to me slowly because the waiting room was full of Hispanics who should of taken their sick kids with the sniffles to a reguler doctor.
 
Should, could, would…

You’re missing the point ahapka.

Employers get off scott free or at most with a slap on the hand. Big hairy deal! “don’t do that anymore” (wink, wink)…bad immigrants…get out of the “land of opportunity” and try your luck elsewhere.

YOu think this is about sin?! you may be right…Our sin! sin against the poor, sin against the oppressed, sin against the persecuted, sin against the destitute. Never mind that the destitute is here, there or half way around the world.

Oh its about sin alright. We’re ok with the accusatory terms of slave trade, oppression and abuse of other humans when it’s about another country, but boy do we sugar coat it when its about us. Not us, we’re a nation of laws and rights and entitlements.

We as a nation are killing God’s sanctifying grace in our nation’s soul… that’s why we can recognize the wrong in other nations but we can’t recognize it in ourselves.
So we open the borders and allow the illegals to ruin our healthcare system, education system and econemy? If we are the place to move to, it’s high time the rest of the world gets like us then. Because if this illegal immigration keeps up we will be like the rest of the 3rd world.
 
Illegals come here and bankrupt the school systems and hosptials. Most refuse to learn English our official language. I don’t buy into the idea they are poor either. s a Dominos pizza driver for 16 years. I have lots of Hispanics in my delivery area. The areas they live in are univerally considered to be lower class. We have a policy of drivers carrying only 20 dollars on their person for safety sake, so we are not allowed to take a 50 dollar bill unless the order is 30 dollars or more. Well I can tell everyone here the ethnicty that by far and wide is most likely to present a 50 dollar bill for their order is Hispanics hands down. Sorry I don’t believe you are poor if you pull out a wad of 50s when paying for your order. Illegals should be rounded up and sent back, and the borders closed.
God bless you for your…candid, blissful ignorance.

The criminal element or repeat criminal offenders otherwise known as “employers” hire the illegal immigrant and pay them below minimum wage (unlike a career pizza deliverer), and possibly incur in other crimes of tax fraud and evation by paying their employees in cash!

The illegal immigrant has no choice but to store his or her money under the mattress because they can’t open up a bank account. They have to deal in cash.

Money in hand is usually money that is owed to the rent, medical bills, food and other essentials for living or survival.

It gets really old hearing people talk about the illegal immigrants like the root and cause of all our problems. Sometimes I really wish that through some merciful miracle of God, all illegal immigrant would suddenly disappear, instantly - our nation would still be full of the same problems that we accuse the immigrants for.

Because as time goes on, we are becoming jaded in our faith and godless in our beliefs. Isolated and insulated. Pointing our fingers to the outside of our borders - twirling the keys on that same finger.
 
God bless you for your…candid, blissful ignorance.

The criminal element or repeat criminal offenders otherwise known as “employers” hire the illegal immigrant and pay them below minimum wage (unlike a career pizza deliverer), and possibly incur in other crimes of tax fraud and evation by paying their employees in cash!

The illegal immigrant has no choice but to store his or her money under the mattress because they can’t open up a bank account. They have to deal in cash.

Money in hand is usually money that is owed to the rent, medical bills, food and other essentials for living or survival.

It gets really old hearing people talk about the illegal immigrants like the root and cause of all our problems. Sometimes I really wish that through some merciful miracle of God, all illegal immigrant would suddenly disappear, instantly - our nation would still be full of the same problems that we accuse the immigrants for.

Because as time goes on, we are becoming jaded in our faith and godless in our beliefs. Isolated and insulated. Pointing our fingers to the outside of our borders - twirling the keys on that same finger.
Well if they are spending it on pizza and not responsibilities then it’s their stupidity! The illegal imigrant does have a choice, don’t come to our country. I happen to currently not have a bank account either, but I don’t carry a WAD of fifties around either. As for isolated, our nation once was isolatiionist, and prospered very well when we were. When my ancestors immigrated here they assimilated , they learned English. Theres a Hispanic family next door to me that has been living there almost 9 years now and still don’t know word of English, that not assimilating. My ancestors spoke Polish, the Austrian version of German, Gaelic, which are harder to learn English from than Spanish. You we have lots of problems in our society and I know not all of them come from illegals, but the illegals aggrivate many problems we already have. This is a thread on illegal immigration, so I am addressing that topic. If you think I am only paying lip service to other problems, I invite you to look at any of the recent transgender thread here.:mad:
 
So we open the borders and allow the illegals to ruin our healthcare system, education system and econemy? If we are the place to move to, it’s high time the rest of the world gets like us then. Because if this illegal immigration keeps up we will be like the rest of the 3rd world.
No!! by all means…stay in la la land.

Alert, alert !! we are already like “3rd world countries” when it comes to immigrants across the border. Our health system? look around we have one of the worst and it was one of the worst before the “illegal immigrant problem”. Our economy is too big of a monster to blame on such a small percentage of the population. We are worse than some 3rd world countries when it comes to too many problems that have nothing to do with the “illegal immigrants”.

NO wait. Let me step into la la land. It is the year 2018, all illegal immigrants are gone. We have succeeded in ridding our system of this scourge.

Our health system is wonderful, our schools have all the money they need
Our crime rate is almost none existent.
Our illegal drug use is a thing of the past.
Our young people are free to work in the cotton, potatoe, tabacco and other fields as well as the slaughter houses: chicken, pig and packing.
OUr economy is booming.

What an idyllic place.
 
Well if they are spending it on pizza and not responsibilities then it’s their stupidity! The illegal imigrant does have a choice, don’t come to our country. I happen to currently not have a bank account either, but I don’t carry a WAD of fifties around either. As for isolated, our nation once was isolatiionist, and prospered very well when we were. When my ancestors immigrated here they assimilated , they learned English. Theres a Hispanic family next door to me that has been living there almost 9 years now and still don’t know word of English, that not assimilating. My ancestors spoke Polish, the Austrian version of German, Gaelic, which are harder to learn English from than Spanish. You we have lots of problems in our society and I know not all of them come from illegals, but the illegals aggrivate many problems we already have. This is a thread on illegal immigration, so I am addressing that topic. If you think I am only paying lip service to other problems, I invite you to look at any of the recent transgender thread here.:mad:
No, they just aggravate you.

They are an easy and visible target.

Our nation is in dire straghts and powerless to do anything about the established system. What is within our reach is the illegal immigrant. We can all jump on that wagon because they’re among us and not sitting in congress or the senate or the white house. Those are unreachable and powerful. Bathed in laws and policies and regulations and agendas.

Now the immigrant - there’s an easy target. Attacking them and blaming them for our woes is not only easy but convenient to the untouchables that have taken this nation into a tailspin of bankruptcy and scandal.

Don’t worry. I’ve lost interest in the opinions of this thread.

Groeschel is right.

And I’m out of here.
 
Good-bye. 👋

(The economic effects of immigration are quite different than the effects of unrelated problems we’re having in the economy. I’m really clear on that. It seems that you are not. Rather, to you, the Groeschel-is-always-right person, immigrants are mere innocent victims whom we have unlimited resources to serve – apparently whomever wishes to come here from whatever impoverished country neglected by their own governments– which, by the way, are several billion people from many countries.)
 
God bless you for your…candid, blissful ignorance.

The criminal element or repeat criminal offenders otherwise known as “employers” hire the illegal immigrant and pay them below minimum wage (unlike a career pizza deliverer), and possibly incur in other crimes of tax fraud and evation by paying their employees in cash!

The illegal immigrant has no choice but to store his or her money under the mattress because they can’t open up a bank account. They have to deal in cash.

Money in hand is usually money that is owed to the rent, medical bills, food and other essentials for living or survival.

It gets really old hearing people talk about the illegal immigrants like the root and cause of all our problems. Sometimes I really wish that through some merciful miracle of God, all illegal immigrant would suddenly disappear, instantly - our nation would still be full of the same problems that we accuse the immigrants for.

Because as time goes on, we are becoming jaded in our faith and godless in our beliefs. Isolated and insulated. Pointing our fingers to the outside of our borders - twirling the keys on that same finger.
Excuse me…ever hear of the Matricular Consular ID card? Given primarily to those who have crossed the southern border illegally…and acceptable for opening bank accounts by a number of American banks…

Melvin
 
This may be completely off the wall, but my family over dinner one evening got into a discussion (this includes my parents - my dad being an immigrant technically from Britain but he flew planes so that’s another story) - we went over what my dad had to do to have dual citizenship and then went into the USAF and flew RF4’s. But one conclusion that we all came to was that we wondered is part of the reason the church (specifically some bishops and some well known Catholic TV personalitie) seems to want to allow/aid/give sanctuary to as many illegals from Mexico as it can because most of these people are Catholic? Is it that with lowering numbers of American Catholics they believe that can pump up the numbers by allowing/helping these illegal immigrants? My family knows what had to be done to get citizenship here and they went through it - why should we expect anything less from anyone else. Also why should we bend and be forced to understand another language in America where English is spoken? When many of the Ellis Island immigrants came here they either learned the language of their new country or their children helped them. They worked hard and paid their dues - and I don’t think back then if someone got sick and taken to a hospital that they would have gotten services for free back then. I’m sorry if I sound hardened, but I’ve grown up in more than one country and except for France I haven’t seen anything like this happening. And believe me, in some of the French areas it isn’t just “get out of my area you illegal” - it gets much more violent. I don’t want to see that happen here but it may occur, expecially if we begin to allow them to have “immigrant driver’s liscense” and the such. They need to get the paperwork, fill it out and go through what many others had to. Some parts of me feel mean for saying that but why should those that pay taxes be forced to carry those who shouldn’t even be here? I do empathize with some of them but when I was working at a Catholic Church, there was a lady that helped with some immigrants and many of them when given the chance had no desire to attempt to fill out the papers and come here legally. God Help us all because I don’t see any answer that is a win win situation.
God Bless-
Ryecroft
 
God bless you for your…candid, blissful ignorance.

The criminal element or repeat criminal offenders otherwise known as “employers” hire the illegal immigrant and pay them below minimum wage (unlike a career pizza deliverer), and possibly incur in other crimes of tax fraud and evation by paying their employees in cash!

The illegal immigrant has no choice but to store his or her money under the mattress because they can’t open up a bank account. They have to deal in cash.

Money in hand is usually money that is owed to the rent, medical bills, food and other essentials for living or survival.

It gets really old hearing people talk about the illegal immigrants like the root and cause of all our problems. Sometimes I really wish that through some merciful miracle of God, all illegal immigrant would suddenly disappear, instantly - our nation would still be full of the same problems that we accuse the immigrants for.

Because as time goes on, we are becoming jaded in our faith and godless in our beliefs. Isolated and insulated. Pointing our fingers to the outside of our borders - twirling the keys on that same finger.
And what about the obligation of Mexico? That nation has great resources,and ought to be as rich as Canada. but the leaders do not share it with the people. So the poor flee to the United States, get work and then send money back to their relatives in Mexico. Thus the Mexican elite are spared the danger of revolt. It stuck in my craw the other year, when Mexicans waved the flag of their nation, which has treated them so shabbily, and demanded that the United States provide for them.
 
redrosetta<<I love Fr Groeschel, and no one on this thread is his equal in holiness, nor in the ability to understand a complex problem in the light of eternity, where souls matter more than money…heaven cries out for justice for the poor
I agree that Heaven cries out for justice for the poor and many of us do give for the poor - that doesn’t mean that we need to be overwhelmed in our country by them. If too many more of them come our way than we have got to find a way to get them back where they came from with some aid. If we take on too many of the poor we could instead of being a nation that tries to help the poor wind up being a nation overrun by the poor and unable to assist them at all. This stuff has got to be regulated and I truly believe that those that helping patrol the fence are doing great things. But some that are patrolling are being killed by the very people that are trying to cross. For example some of the border can no longer be patrolled by ATV because wires that can’t be seen until too late wind up decapitating completely or almost completely the American Government workers trying to keep the border from being broached - it’s becoming well known that many are coming armed so that when they are caught they can shoot those that have found them out. I understand that some of these people want to come across to a better country but why should they be exempt from following the rules to get into our country. It’s bad enough that we’re allowing some of them to have these immigrant drivers liscenses and ability to hold bank accounts - it makes them seem slightly legal by giving them these “rights”. Yes in the past up to the first half of the 20th century the U.S. did invade parts of Latin America -now, after having gone from San Diego to San Ysidro and accross the border on holiday, I have to wonder if we shouldn’t have invaded Mexico a little more then at least we’d have some more land to show for all of the illegals (some of whom would actually now have been legal). It’s a sad situation but I’m all for Christian charity but I have heard some Bishops speak (specifically the one for Orlando) and to say that we should give shelter to these illegals and help them divides me greatly. If there is one thing Americans get tons of, it’s paperwork and anyone that wants to be an American has to go through his/her share of paperwork - but we can’t just say “well you made it accross - congragulations you’re an American - for the time being, here’s some free medical care and here some free schooling for the children…” If we did that to all of the illegals we would have to raise taxes as high as the UK has and I don’t know of many people who are willing to take home only 50-60% of pay it’s bad enough that many have to pay 28% and greater. There is no good solution to this - I really believe that one of the reasons thae Catholic Church seems to want to “help” out so much is that with the dwindling PRACTICING Catholic population they like the idea of the Practicing population going up. God Help us whatever the anser is (and I’m not taking the name in vain, I mean it!)

One last thing - when I was reading the copious amount of replies on here, someone said that our neighbor was only the people we see daily or fairly often - are we not all each other’s neighbor? whether I see you or kno w you aren’t we all supposed to be each other’s neighbor?
 
And what about the obligation of Mexico? That nation has great resources,and ought to be as rich as Canada. but the leaders do not share it with the people. So the poor flee to the United States, get work and then send money back to their relatives in Mexico. Thus the Mexican elite are spared the danger of revolt. It stuck in my craw the other year, when Mexicans waved the flag of their nation, which has treated them so shabbily, and demanded that the United States provide for them.
Yep. One of my (earlier) points exactly. 👍

For the U.S. to continue to look the other way regarding illegal south-of-the-border immigration in particular, is to continue to enable the Mexican Government to ignore, abandon, neglect and **treat like slaves **their own citizens.
 
Gosh- after reading about his remarks my respect for Fr. Groeschel has gone WAY UP!!

I have always preferred him to Fr. Corapi- not as angry. . . more compassionate. . .

BRAVO! Father Groeschel!

I’m surprised EWTN didn’t censor it. . . . :rolleyes:
 
i read a similar article in today’s OSV. they said, just remember we all have an immigrant in our back ground somewhere. how insulting to treat the ellis island immigrants the same as the illegals. the ellis island immigrants were all documented (yes there were a few stow-aways, just like there are a few legal mexican immigrants today)

and the immigrants of the last century were also in immense poverty. they came here with nothing but the american dream. so nothing of this “give the poor immigrants a break” flies. they are entering illegal. period.

they need to enter thru the proper gateways or be deported.
What would they have done if they could walk?With no oceans in between?

If NAFTA afforded bodily protection to unionize the bussinesses that left here for there…We’d be getting shot in the back by their border gaurds as we went there for work. Instead our great christian right freetraders let them have our businesses yet pay them 3rd world rates…disgusting.
 
Gosh- after reading about his remarks my respect for Fr. Groeschel has gone WAY UP!!

I have always preferred him to Fr. Corapi- not as angry. . . more compassionate. . .

BRAVO! Father Groeschel!

I’m surprised EWTN didn’t censor it. . . . :rolleyes:
It is a great pity all you can do is insult people who are trying their best to serve God and have devoted their life to it…You reveal a great deal about yourself
 
I’m confused by your post. . . I am expressing my praise for a priest! Not the exalted father but a holy and respected one neverthe less. What’s up with that redtea? 🤷
 
I’m confused by your post. . . I am expressing my praise for a priest! Not the exalted father but a holy and respected one neverthe less. What’s up with that redtea? 🤷
It isn’t very nice to express praise for someone by showing contempt for the channel he loves and has given much of his ministry to for free, and to insult Fr Corapi in the process…Fr Corapi is a man of sincerity and of love for our Lord, and our Blessed Mother.He was asked to leave a seminary because he challenged the way the Blessed Sacrament was being treated…He struggled to go to the seminary and was willing to loose his vocation rather than see Our Lord, in the Eucharist disrespected

He was led to another seminary and funded by someone who saw his holiness…He has brought many people back to the church and to confession

.He is a man of great compassion and understands sin and suffering because he was a slave to both…He is trying to save souls, and is not afraid to stand up to sin and to tell it like it is

It shows a lack of charity and respect
 
It isn’t very nice to express praise for someone by showing contempt for the channel he loves and has given much of his ministry to for free, and to insult Fr Corapi in the process…Fr Corapi is a man of sincerity and of love for our Lord, and our Blessed Mother.He was asked to leave a seminary because he challenged the way the Blessed Sacrament was being treated…He struggled to go to the seminary and was willing to loose his vocation rather than see Our Lord, in the Eucharist disrespected

He was led to another seminary and funded by someone who saw his holiness…He has brought many people back to the church and to confession

.He is a man of great compassion and understands sin and suffering because he was a slave to both…He is trying to save souls, and is not afraid to stand up to sin and to tell it like it is

It shows a lack of charity and respect
I think that Feanor2 said they preffer one to the other. I don’t see all that you are attacking there. I saw both priests in person and I think they are 2 of the best teachers of the faith alive today. I believe Father Groeshll is also a man of sincerity and love for our Lord. He has met and been around alot of great people in his time. Mother Theresa,Solanus Casey,the founders of AA, all kinds of people. And he is very intelligent and knowledgeable and charitable in his workings with people of differrent cultures and religions. I don’t think the poster was attacking Father Corapi. It’s just that they have 2 differrent personalities. And they prefer one to the other. It takes all kinds to make the church work. But they are both very effective in sharing catholicism. I don’t know who would replace them on my list of best teachers should something bad happen to either. I feel their both the best.
 
I think that Feanor2 said they preffer one to the other. I don’t see all that you are attacking there. I saw both priests in person and I think they are 2 of the best teachers of the faith alive today. I believe Father Groeshll is also a man of sincerity and love for our Lord. He has met and been around alot of great people in his time. Mother Theresa,Solanus Casey,the founders of AA, all kinds of people. And he is very intelligent and knowledgeable and charitable in his workings with people of differrent cultures and religions. I don’t think the poster was attacking Father Corapi. It’s just that they have 2 differrent personalities. And they prefer one to the other. It takes all kinds to make the church work. But they are both very effective in sharing catholicism. I don’t know who would replace them on my list of best teachers should something bad happen to either. I feel their both the best.
Cracks about EWTN and sarcastic faces certainly don’t show anything to me but scorn for both…Fr Corapi isn’t angry he is intense…The love he has for others is very evident in his works…I just heard him last night saying he went out in his civvies instead of his habit in San Francisco and saw Christ in the dirtiest and the poorest man he had ever seen

He talked about heling our poor in spirit and in funds when I listend to him last night…He has great compassion for those that life has chucked aside

He tried to help a nun who had left the convent to work in a brothel escape after she called him asking him for help…He tried to sneak her out the back door but was stopped by a thug that worked there…he knew their lives were both in danger…He bought her freedom with his own money, and helped her get back to the convent without betraying her to the order

Fr Corapi has lived in the gutte, s well as on the mountain top, and understands the seamy side and the steamy side of life…He is a man’s man…He has a different style but to label him as angry is untrue and unfair…To make nasty cracks about EWTN is simply mean, and it shows a lack of respect for a ministry many have devoted their lives to, including Fr Groeschel
 
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