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Lorarose
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I think McBrien WANTS to get excommunicated
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buffalo
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WOW!!! :banghead:
We are not the Church of the opinions. He is a Catholic Priest and shoud act that way. Where is he leading many with his “opinions”?
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fix
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If he were, he would not have the legitimacy he so desires.
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Brad
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Your defense of an indefensible priest was respectable except for this statement. If someone publically promotes female priests, he is in direct opposition to unchangeable Church teaching. This is very dangerous terrritory for a priest as it should be. What he did here is an insult to the Holy Father (right after his death, quite an insult) considering he wrote clearly that there shall be no more discussion regarding women priests.
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st_ignatius
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Here is a letter I am sending to each and every American Bishop. I wrote it before the Holy Father died so I will revise it. I also plan on writing a letter and somehow sending it to each and every priest in America.
Dear Bishops,
Greetings in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ who was stricken for us.
I write this letter with a grief stricken heart and much sadness.
First, I am filled with sadness because of the condition of our most Holy Father Pope John Paul the Second. I will miss him greatly when he leaves this world. Our Holy Father is a true example of what it is to carry the cross in pain and suffering. I only wish our American leaders could also be as our Holy Father.
I also write because we as Christians have allowed the murder of a woman by the name of Terri Schiavo. Surely you have heard of her? Surely you have not been so busy in daily life that you have ignored this case? It seems the Catholic leadership in America has failed us. Bishop Lynch can go to Indonesia to help those who suffer, but he can do nothing to help a woman being murdered under his very nose. Where have our shepherds been in this time of need? Not where they should be. I do realize that not all Bishops because of time constraints etc could have gone to the hospice where Terri lay being murdered. But surely one of you could have gone? Surely one of our “great” leaders could have taken Terri a cup of water? But no…you have denied her water. Even the Romans did not deny our Lord at least something to put on his parched and swelling tongue. " Whatever you do to the least of these you do to me," says our Lord. I pray His words haunt you every day for all of eternity and that you know and realize you have failed in a time of greatest need. This was the time to rise up and let the world now where we as American Catholics stand in terms of life. This was not done.
There are some Bishops who have made statements regarding the death of Terri Schiavo but it was to little to late.
As I told Bishop Lynch, when we are silent in the face of the culture of death, our silence supports this culture. When we are silent we in turn take a stand for Satan. I pray God may grant each of you the needed strength to do what you are called to do. Shepherd the people of God and stand for life no matter the consequences. Are you afraid? Do you tremble in Satan’s presence? Do you fear what others will think of you when you take this stand? Are you afraid to suffer? Do you shrink back from suffering? I pray the answer to these questions is an emphatic NO. If you shirk suffering then why are you Catholic? Remember our Lord and His Passion!!
This Easter I renewed my baptismal vows. The question was asked, " Do you reject Satan?" My answer is yes! And my answer will always be yes. What is your answer to this question? If you answer yes, yet you refuse to stand for life, then you lie not only to yourself but to God to whom you are making this most solemn vow.
For those who spoke out against the murder of Terri Schiavo, I thank you for your words, but sometimes words are not enough. We must take action as the people of God! I urge you, stand for Life, stand for Truth and God will truly bless you. I beg you to take up the cross of suffering, as has our Holy Father. Follow in the footsteps of Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. May His peace and blessing be upon each of you and I pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit be upon your hearts and minds.
In the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Jenifer
Dear Bishops,
Greetings in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ who was stricken for us.
I write this letter with a grief stricken heart and much sadness.
First, I am filled with sadness because of the condition of our most Holy Father Pope John Paul the Second. I will miss him greatly when he leaves this world. Our Holy Father is a true example of what it is to carry the cross in pain and suffering. I only wish our American leaders could also be as our Holy Father.
I also write because we as Christians have allowed the murder of a woman by the name of Terri Schiavo. Surely you have heard of her? Surely you have not been so busy in daily life that you have ignored this case? It seems the Catholic leadership in America has failed us. Bishop Lynch can go to Indonesia to help those who suffer, but he can do nothing to help a woman being murdered under his very nose. Where have our shepherds been in this time of need? Not where they should be. I do realize that not all Bishops because of time constraints etc could have gone to the hospice where Terri lay being murdered. But surely one of you could have gone? Surely one of our “great” leaders could have taken Terri a cup of water? But no…you have denied her water. Even the Romans did not deny our Lord at least something to put on his parched and swelling tongue. " Whatever you do to the least of these you do to me," says our Lord. I pray His words haunt you every day for all of eternity and that you know and realize you have failed in a time of greatest need. This was the time to rise up and let the world now where we as American Catholics stand in terms of life. This was not done.
There are some Bishops who have made statements regarding the death of Terri Schiavo but it was to little to late.
As I told Bishop Lynch, when we are silent in the face of the culture of death, our silence supports this culture. When we are silent we in turn take a stand for Satan. I pray God may grant each of you the needed strength to do what you are called to do. Shepherd the people of God and stand for life no matter the consequences. Are you afraid? Do you tremble in Satan’s presence? Do you fear what others will think of you when you take this stand? Are you afraid to suffer? Do you shrink back from suffering? I pray the answer to these questions is an emphatic NO. If you shirk suffering then why are you Catholic? Remember our Lord and His Passion!!
This Easter I renewed my baptismal vows. The question was asked, " Do you reject Satan?" My answer is yes! And my answer will always be yes. What is your answer to this question? If you answer yes, yet you refuse to stand for life, then you lie not only to yourself but to God to whom you are making this most solemn vow.
For those who spoke out against the murder of Terri Schiavo, I thank you for your words, but sometimes words are not enough. We must take action as the people of God! I urge you, stand for Life, stand for Truth and God will truly bless you. I beg you to take up the cross of suffering, as has our Holy Father. Follow in the footsteps of Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. May His peace and blessing be upon each of you and I pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit be upon your hearts and minds.
In the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Jenifer
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Tallow
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Fr. McBrien has long been the darling of the CBS/CNN “axis.” I learned a long time ago that they prefer to go ofter people like McBrien and I’ve avoided those media outlets ever since. Why waste my time?
I have to say with great enthusiasm that the coverage of the pope on the two big cable outlets, Fox and MSNBC has been outstanding so far!!
I have to say with great enthusiasm that the coverage of the pope on the two big cable outlets, Fox and MSNBC has been outstanding so far!!
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Brad
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Excellent. Keep the faith. Christ is risen!
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felra
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Respect for the priesthood of Jesus Christ does not mean respect for the open dissent and fuzzy thinking of the person, as you erroneously equate.
I am sure that there are plenty of people on the broad way that leads to destruction with a “happy, peaceful, and joyful” look and persona to them. These times that we are living in take more than just a bit of discernment and superficial understanding of the faith to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
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st_ignatius
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“Excellent. Keep the faith. Christ is risen!”
Thank you. I sincerely beleive it is time for the American Catholics to rise up and say enough is enough. Saint Catherine of Sienna’s words convicted the Pope in her time. Our words along with the Holy Spirit can convict our leaders today.
Thank you. I sincerely beleive it is time for the American Catholics to rise up and say enough is enough. Saint Catherine of Sienna’s words convicted the Pope in her time. Our words along with the Holy Spirit can convict our leaders today.
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st_ignatius
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“I think he also mentioned that birth control is the least of the Church’s problems. Well, he may be right about that, I don’t know. If birth control was central to our faith, you would think that Jesus or Saint Paul would have said something about it. It is my understanding that a large percentage of Catholics don’t obey the birth control rules, but I don’t know for sure. In any case, the man is a priest and he deserves some respect from us.”
Here is the reason birth control is a HUGE problem today. First, birth control was promoted and advocated by a woman named Margaret Sanger who wanted all girls and women to be able to have promiscuous sex with no consequences i.e. getting pregnant. Well, that worked…but not 100%. From birth control came abortion, from abortion came partial birth abortion, from partial birth came the fact we are now murdering innocent men and women simply because society deems them non useful. Because of birth control men and women today have no idea what a marriage is truly supposed to be. A marriage is to represent the Eucharist. Just as we receive our Lord Jesus, our Husband, into us at Mass…and He holds nothing back from us…He gives us life fully, so as husbands and wives we should fully receive each other and fully share life.
“Father” McBrien is not worthy to be called Father. He is an example of what many sinners in todays Church want. They want their own way, they do not want to be under any authority, they want to be rebellious…God help us American Catholics.
Here is the reason birth control is a HUGE problem today. First, birth control was promoted and advocated by a woman named Margaret Sanger who wanted all girls and women to be able to have promiscuous sex with no consequences i.e. getting pregnant. Well, that worked…but not 100%. From birth control came abortion, from abortion came partial birth abortion, from partial birth came the fact we are now murdering innocent men and women simply because society deems them non useful. Because of birth control men and women today have no idea what a marriage is truly supposed to be. A marriage is to represent the Eucharist. Just as we receive our Lord Jesus, our Husband, into us at Mass…and He holds nothing back from us…He gives us life fully, so as husbands and wives we should fully receive each other and fully share life.
“Father” McBrien is not worthy to be called Father. He is an example of what many sinners in todays Church want. They want their own way, they do not want to be under any authority, they want to be rebellious…God help us American Catholics.
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st_ignatius said:
Yes, ABC is one of the central issues facing the Church today. The rejection by so many has helped usher in abortion, fornication, adultery, sodomy, IVF and much more on a grand scale. McBrien, and others, have built their careers on dissent and protesting Humnae Vitae.
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st_ignatius
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I totally agree. I truly beleive birth control is the root of many of the problems we have in regards to sexuality today. Because of birth control men and women can view each other as simply object for ones pleasure…hence the reason there are so many women today that are raped…and even murdered. Why does a man murder a woman after he rapes her? Because she is only an object to him and not a human being worthy of his respect.Thanks to Margaret Sanger, thanks to the birth control movement, thanks to the churches who allowed it, and thanks to priest such as McBrian women and men are viewed solely as objects, and not as creautres created by God and dignified by Him
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alfredo
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I was wondering what your credential are and what are the qualifications of the other people who are criticising Father Richard McBrien?
I noticed that Father McBrien has some rather serious and heavy credentials. For example:
Father McBrien graduated S.T.D., Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome, 1967. is at Notre Dame the Crowley-O’Brien Professor of Theology. He has written several books including: Do We Need the Church? (1969), Church: the Continuing Quest (1970), The Remaking of the Church (1973); Caesar’s Coin: Religion and Politics in America (1987); and the third in his Catholicism (1980; rev. ed., 1994), Lives of the Popes (1997), and Lives of the Saints (2001), as well as The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism (1995), of which he was general editor. He has been president of the Catholic Theological Society of America (1973-74) and winner of its John Courtney Murray Award “for outstanding and distinguished achievement in Theology” (1976). And on top of this, I read his weekly column in Cardinal Mahony’s Tidings newspaper.
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Listener: Why would Jesus have spoken about birth control? Did they have birth control pills in His lifetime? Could a person concievably have done anything to control birth in the year 2000, and why would they want to, since people counted on having large families in order to prosper? One thing Jesus did say, according to all four writers of the gospels ( John 12:25, Matthew 16:25, Mark 8:35 and Luke 9:24) “He that clings to his life shall lose it: and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.” He was referring to selfishness.
Jesus also completely understood and lived out this command of the Lord to Moses: "For this command which I enjoin on you today is not too mysterious and remote for you. It is not up in the sky, that you should say, ‘Who will go up in the sky to get it for us and tell us of it, that we may carry it out?’ Nor is it across the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea to get it for us and tell us of it, that we may carry it out?’ No, it is something very near to you, already in your mouths and in your hearts; you have only to carry it out.
"Here, then, I have today set before you life and prosperity, death and doom. If you obey the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving him, and walking in his ways, and keeping his commandments, statutes and decrees, you will live and grow numerous, and the LORD, your God, will bless you in the land you are entering to occupy. If, however, you turn away your hearts and will not listen, but are led astray and adore and serve other gods, I tell you now that you will certainly perish… I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live.
The very implication that Jesus didn’t care to make a statement about birth control is completly ridiculous, ignorant, and insulting.
You need to make room in your mind for the Word of God, and sweep out the brayings of donkeys like (Fr.) McBrien.
Jesus also completely understood and lived out this command of the Lord to Moses: "For this command which I enjoin on you today is not too mysterious and remote for you. It is not up in the sky, that you should say, ‘Who will go up in the sky to get it for us and tell us of it, that we may carry it out?’ Nor is it across the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea to get it for us and tell us of it, that we may carry it out?’ No, it is something very near to you, already in your mouths and in your hearts; you have only to carry it out.
"Here, then, I have today set before you life and prosperity, death and doom. If you obey the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving him, and walking in his ways, and keeping his commandments, statutes and decrees, you will live and grow numerous, and the LORD, your God, will bless you in the land you are entering to occupy. If, however, you turn away your hearts and will not listen, but are led astray and adore and serve other gods, I tell you now that you will certainly perish… I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live.
The very implication that Jesus didn’t care to make a statement about birth control is completly ridiculous, ignorant, and insulting.
You need to make room in your mind for the Word of God, and sweep out the brayings of donkeys like (Fr.) McBrien.
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Oh my, there are plenty of credentialed misfits and credentialed traitors. McBrien is a well known dissident and openly at odds with Church teaching. The things you listed in no way prove he is a loyal priest or orthodox.
I am not surprised Mahony’s paper carries such heterodoxy.
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Lisa_N
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I think the issue with Fr O’Brien is that he simply dismissed what are very well entrenched beliefs and practices. Had he responded more thoughtfully and cautiously it might have been easier to accept his statements as reiterating the obvious, that there are people who believe in female priests or married clergy. Indeed there are people who believe and wish for this to occur. OTOH I really don’t think that the new Pope, with a wave of his hand, is going to undo thousands of years of doctrine. This seemed to be what Fr O’Brien inferred, “Thank heavens that old dinosaur is gone. Now we can modernize the church!”
My husband who knows little about Catholicism thought he was speaking for the majority…but I set him straight
. Than add Andy Rooney’s blather and I had to do it all over again
Lisa N
My husband who knows little about Catholicism thought he was speaking for the majority…but I set him straight
. Than add Andy Rooney’s blather and I had to do it all over againLisa N
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Lisa N:
The cadaverous ones are still agitating for relaxing the moral law. Ever wonder why these types want so much change in areas of sexuality and gender?I think the issue with Fr O’Brien is that he simply dismissed what are very well entrenched beliefs and practices. Had he responded more thoughtfully and cautiously it might have been easier to accept his statements as reiterating the obvious, that there are people who believe in female priests or married clergy. Indeed there are people who believe and wish for this to occur. OTOH I really don’t think that the new Pope, with a wave of his hand, is going to undo thousands of years of doctrine. This seemed to be what Fr O’Brien inferred, “Thank heavens that old dinosaur is gone. Now we can modernize the church!”
My husband who knows little about Catholicism thought he was speaking for the majority…but I set him straight
Lisa N
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buffalo
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So our job is to educate the networks as to cafeteria Catholics and dissenters. They need to know when they interview these people they are not adhering to journalistic standards and these interviews should be in the opinion segments.
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buffalo
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Qualifications to do not justify the agenda.
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st_ignatius
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So, I guess what you are trying to say then is that “Father” McBrien’s credentials are more and better then those of the Holy Father?
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