Fr. Nicholas Gruner

[Dee_Dee_King]

God gave us the catholic church to know the faith definitively and without error. fatima is outside of revelation–it is not part of the sacred deposit of faith. revelation ended when the apostles died. Jesus totally revealed everything we need to know. fatima must me understood in light of Holy Tradition that comes to us from the apostles.

so why would any catholic take this conspiracy theory seriously? all we need is the church and the bible. fatima does not tell us anything new. fr. gruner is wasting people’s time.

 

[fin]

maybe if Fr. Gruner just obeyed things wouldn’t be as complicated as they are now.

 

[FATIMAisUrgent]

If the “someone” claiming that he is suspended is the Apostolic Signatura, then I tend to listen…it’s not just some guy on the internet (which incidently is the only source defending him).

I’m sorry you have trouble agreeing with the Catholic Church’s system of Canon Law. I will pray for you.

Thanks for your prayers, but what was the reason stated for Fr. Gruner’s suspension? The statement published on September 12, 2001 gives no reason at all.

 

[FATIMAisUrgent]

God gave us the catholic church to know the faith definitively and without error. fatima is outside of revelation–it is not part of the sacred deposit of faith. revelation ended when the apostles died. Jesus totally revealed everything we need to know. fatima must me understood in light of Holy Tradition that comes to us from the apostles.

so why would any catholic take this conspiracy theory seriously? all we need is the church and the bible. fatima does not tell us anything new. fr. gruner is wasting people’s time.

You’re right, Fatima is not part of the deposit of faith. How could it be? It didn’t happen until the 20th century. The message contains pure Catholic truths, nothing against faith or morals, and has been approved by every pope since Pius XI. Pope Pius XII said “the time for doubting Fatima is over.” Pope John Paul II said even more: “The message of Our Lady of Fatima is addressed to every human being” … “This message imposes an obligation on the Church.” - May 13, 1982

The message of Fatima also contains prophecy. Most of the prophecies have already come to pass, but there are a few that have not. Someone in an earlier post said something to the effect of “God, according to the Fatima message seems different than the God I know.” To that I would say this. Is it so strange for the merciful God that we know, who sees His creation wandering further away from him, who sees His Church becoming infected with the spirit of the world and (eventually) sliding into apostasy, to send His Blessed Mother to us to warn us of the coming danger? Is it so strange for God to give us one last chance for peace and one last chance to lessen our chastisement? Well it sure sounds like the merciful God that I know. My brothers and sisters, I’m sure that you are all sick of this thread. But consider this, those of you who do believe Our Lady came to Fatima in 1917 and continued to appear to Sr. Lucy and intrusted her with the message, why would God perform a PUBLIC miracle, witnessed by 70,000 + believers and non-believers if the message Our Lady delivered was not important for us?

 

[LilyM]

Thanks for your prayers, but what was the reason stated for Fr. Gruner’s suspension? The statement published on September 12, 2001 gives no reason at all.

Unless you’re a Canon lawyer or someone hearing Fr Gruners appeal from his suspension it’s not for you to know the reasons. Suffice it that the Apostolic Signatura does, and that Fr Gruner, I’m sure, does too, probably just doesn’t agree with 'em.

People who have findings against them tend to disagree with 'em.

 

[po18guy]

I’m kind of scared, because I receive mail from his Fatima crusader movement. They keep on sending me stuff and I don’t want to anymore. I’m not sure about Fr. Gruner and his movement. They may be disobedient.

At some level, at some point, disobedience is always the problem. Send the stuff back, call, email, whatever, but unity and obedience are what we need - not dissent. This is how Luther strayed off the path. And, he had a lot of adherents, right? But, was Luther’s disobedience ultimately good or bad for Christ’s Body?

Christ’s peace be with you.

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

I agree with my whole heart about the “spiritually harmful” part.
I’ve been following this thread with interest, and I really don’t want to de-rail the thread. But some of what I’m reading is truly frightening me and I feel compelled to put another perspective out there.

None of this, none of this, is doctrine…We have debate and conjecture stacked on top of more conjecture and conflicting information/opinions…And all of this is teetering on top of a private revelation. Not exactly a rock solid foundation. Yes, it’s Fatima. I know it’s approved and I honestly have great respect for the devotion to Our Lady of Fatima…

But it’s still a private revelation. I try to judge everything else in light of that fact. Lets use the reason that God gave us. We have a responsibility to do so. Someone wise once told me to never be afraid of looking for truth, because it will always lead to God. Is the God we do know likely to have orchestrated a situation where the fate of the world hinges on the precise wording of a [vague, general] consecration, ordered by an apparition, whose message is interpreted and relayed by one fallible human person [Sister Lucia]?

Does this really sound like the God we know? Everything else that Heaven has ever revealed to us re: salvation is centered around the strength and perseverence of our faith and charity, all through Christ and his Church.

Fatima may very well be a valid apparition. If it ever was, I truly believe that somewhere along the way the message has been corrupted and warped beyond recognition. I can’t see the Blessed Mother in any of this mess, and I don’t see Christ at all…

There’s a good reason why acceptance of ANY private revelation is not required for salvation. Given that, why take the risk?

I think we’re doing just fine when we place our trust in the things we know the evil one can’t corrupt and distort: the Church, the pope, the Eucharist, sacred scripture…

– a.c.

How was Mexico converted?

The Pope consecrating Russia in union with the Bishops of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is a vague consecration?!

Were the first and second secrets of Fatima “distorted and corrupted?”

Refusing to even look at any articles or evidence at Fatima.org, even articles not written by Fr. Gruner, simply because they are on his website is using reason and seeking truth?

Constantly harping on Fr. Gruner’s status as a Priest whenever someone brings up the Consecration of Russia and the Third Secret is, once again, using reason?

 

[AlexV]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple. He’s been spending decades focusing on a magazine that offers fear and trembling, not solid Catholic doctrine and tradition.

He’s also suspended. He was asked…more than once…to RETURN HOME to his diocese in Italy. His frankly pathetic excuse for not going was he doesn’t know the local dialect and therefore can’t serve there.

Well why did you get ordained there, Father? Were you hunting for a bishop who would ordain you?

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

 

[Duffyo7]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple.

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

You got that right. Some people love drama so much, they throw out faith for the least thing that tickles their ears and Grunerites just eat it up. Gruner loves the spotlight and would not know obedience if he fell over it and as to Our Lady…she means nothing to him. He sticks his thumb in her eye every time he opens his mouth and smears Sr Lucy and the church. God have mercy on his blighted soul.

 

[Sure]

Wow…I was just looking up some info on him…he got himself ordained in Italy and left almost immediately and then refused to return to his bishop…hmmm, sounds like a guy who wanted to be a priest for his own motives.

Does anyone know the name (or names) of Fr. Gruner’s organizations in the US? I assume at least one of them must be a 501 c 3 and I’d like to do some research.

Thanks!

 

[qui_est_ce]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple. He’s been spending decades focusing on a magazine that offers fear and trembling, not solid Catholic doctrine and tradition.

He’s also suspended. He was asked…more than once…to RETURN HOME to his diocese in Italy. His frankly pathetic excuse for not going was he doesn’t know the local dialect and therefore can’t serve there.

Well why did you get ordained there, Father? Were you hunting for a bishop who would ordain you?

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

What’s scary here is that a lot of “Traditional” Catholics, like liberal Catholics, get so caught up in a cause, they fail to remember the Deposit of Faith. They start followig the church of me, like ML, et al. It is especially troubling to see Traditional Catholics do this because they claim to speak for the True Church.

Here alone, have been people saying that “poor” Father Gruner is so busy taking care of souls that he doesn’t have time to defend himself, when in fact they are pointing to letters, websites, magazines, and articles written by this man to promote himself.

St. Athanasius lived in a very different time of Church history. Varying interpretations of Christ’s teachings had not yet been resolved. Today, Church Teachings are quite clear. To say that any bishop can defrock a priest for no reason is not true.

To accuse people who wish not to read certain articles of not seeking truth is just silly. We lay people cannot know all there is to Canon Law. If Father Gruner is truly the saint people make him out to be, then I nominate my pastor. He has done far greater things in a humbler manner.

Fr Gruner is grooming divisiveness and deceit in his publications. And he has following.

The Devil is still hard at work, and is now using Fatima to lure followers.

 

[lucybeebee]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple. He’s been spending decades focusing on a magazine that offers fear and trembling, not solid Catholic doctrine and tradition.

He’s also suspended. He was asked…more than once…to RETURN HOME to his diocese in Italy. His frankly pathetic excuse for not going was he doesn’t know the local dialect and therefore can’t serve there.

Well why did you get ordained there, Father? Were you hunting for a bishop who would ordain you?

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

Wait, I’m confused. If Fr. Gruner is from Canada, how’d he end up with a diocese in Italy?

 

[childofmary1143]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple. He’s been spending decades focusing on a magazine that offers fear and trembling, not solid Catholic doctrine and tradition.

He’s also suspended. He was asked…more than once…to RETURN HOME to his diocese in Italy. His frankly pathetic excuse for not going was he doesn’t know the local dialect and therefore can’t serve there.

Well why did you get ordained there, Father? Were you hunting for a bishop who would ordain you?

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

While Father Gruner has made some mistakes, for you to use juvenile, immature comments like ‘crackpot’ says a lot about your character.

Before he lost his faculties he was a Priest in good standing promoting a Church Approved Apparition. I wonder if Lefebvre had done the same you would attribute the same remarks to him?

 

[qui_est_ce]

While Father Gruner has made some mistakes, for you to use juvenile, immature comments like ‘crackpot’ says a lot about your character.

Before he lost his faculties he was a Priest in good standing promoting a Church Approved Apparition. I wonder if Lefebvre had done the same you would attribute the same remarks to him?

theotokos.org.uk/pages/fatima/ngruner/wanderer.html

Unfortunately he has a large following, leading people out of the Church.

 

[planter654]

What I would suggest to everyone who is unsure about Fr. Nicholas Gruner’s status is to go to his website www.fatima.org and read about it yourself. But before you check into it yourself, make sure you take your rose colored glasses off. If you believe that every single opinion, statement, insinuation, or alleged position, of a Cardinal, or even of a pope, is above question or criticism, then you are a blind sheep and I pray that you open your eyes. If you believe that EWTN is the infalliable magisterium of the Church, then you are certainly in trouble. What I’m getting at is you need to at least consider the possibility that we are living through the most confusing and dangerous time in the history of the Church. Please do not blindly accept and spead the calumnious lies about Fr. Gruner, but instead examine his case and make an informed judgement. If you do this, I am almost certain you will come to the same conclusion I did. Fr. Gruner is persecuted because he tells the truth. He is not suspended or unfaithful to the Catholic Church.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Francisco Marto of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Jacinta Marto of Fatima, pray for us!

By the way, Fr. Gruner’s work and his Fatima Crusader magazine have the Apostolic Blessing and approval of Pope John Paul II !!! Fancy that.

My one question is… if the Catholic Church has okayed the Miracale of Fatima then why have they not obeyed our Blessed Mother and conscerated Russia? They tell us about our Dear Blessed Mother and then they reject her why?
Well said and I agree! God Bless

 

[planter654]

Ok, I guess that was a bad example. In the case of an individual like you or me in a situation like I described, I can see how it may be a SPIRITUAL ADVANTAGE to embrace the suffering of calumny and persecution (though I disagree that absolute obedience is MORALLY REQUIRED). But in the case of Fr. Gruner, he has too many obligations and souls to take care of with his work to simply throw everything to the side and wait to be exonerated. By the way, haven’t you ever heard that “the salvation of souls his the highest law” (I believe it says that in the 1983 CCL). Is the Catholic Faith really built upon an oppressive legal system like you suggest? I can’t agree with that.

Also, you do realize that just because someone claims that Fr. Gruner is suspended, doesn’t mean he is actually suspended. If that were true, then any cardinal, or bishop, could suspend any priest he wanted to for no reason at all, and that would seem pretty ridiculous to me. Would they be suspended in God’s eye’s? If not, then shouldn’t they “obey God rather than men”? Again, was St. Athanasius excommunicated in God’s eyes? No, he chose to obey God rather than men.

Nicely said I agree… that is what happen to Jesus and why he was crucified and God’s reply was…this is my son in whom I am pleased. Jesus…my father never leaves me for I do ALLl that pleases HIM.

The Holy Spirit blows upon whom IT WILLS.

God Bless

 

[AlexV]

Gruner is indeed a crackpot, and he is leading souls into a maelstrom of fear, terror, and anxiety that is antithetical to the Catholic tradition of hope and confidence.

 

[planter654]

Father Gruner is a crackpot, plain and simple. He’s been spending decades focusing on a magazine that offers fear and trembling, not solid Catholic doctrine and tradition.

He’s also suspended. He was asked…more than once…to RETURN HOME to his diocese in Italy. His frankly pathetic excuse for not going was he doesn’t know the local dialect and therefore can’t serve there.

Well why did you get ordained there, Father? Were you hunting for a bishop who would ordain you?

Of course some priests just have to mention “Fatima” and they’re golden with some Catholics…

May God have mercy on your soul…

 

[planter654]

theotokos.org.uk/pages/fatima/ngruner/wanderer.html

Unfortunately he has a large following, leading people out of the Church.

I am not trying to be “disrecptful” but now I am confused. Yet St. Luca lived right into the late 90’s or was it 2000? Our Lord kept her with us for a long time was she pleding for us over and over to do so? Have we not been fortold?

Why has the Catholic Church not responsed in consecrating Russia in the simple manner that Our Dear Blessed Mother asked? The Catholic Church approved the miracle of Fatima are they saying now it is not true? Who is disobeying who now? Whether you believe in our Dear Blessed Mother, Fatima or are they turning their backs to her now? It came with a promise for world peace, are they calling our Mother a liar, or telling her we will do it in our time. I do not understand, are they for or against. Believe half or not all? Why did they not reveal the third secret who was it about where or who would it point to? Must be pretty serious. they were told the time yr when to reveal the third seceret by ST.Luca why have they not obeyed. Why did they not allow her to talk to anyone etc. I would believe she also as a diary commanded to write don’t you think like the other saints?

Just asking God Bless.

Time will tell. God Bless

 

[planter654]

Sorry if my accuastion of “implicit heresy” was out of line. All I was trying to say was that the Cardinal secretary of state and the congregation of the clergy are not the “magisterium of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church” that Our Lord’s promise applies. They are indeed under the pope and unfortunately they have been allowed to abuse their power on many occasions. Also, would you mind telling me where Church law says that a private association of clergy or laity needs permission to exist? I’m not aware of any Church law that says that. If I am causing division then, oh well, what can I do? I’m just trying to defend the good name of a slandared priest and promote Our Lady’s peace plan from Heaven. And I say PROMOTE, because I never once said that anyone here was obliged to believe in Fatima.

II can not believe such hated words for this priest by Catholics. Jesus said: “if they hate you remember they hated me first.” This
priest knows more of what goes on inside, seen etc understanding the language of messages given from the Pope better than we do.

If you work for so many years on the same job around the same people day after day you know more than those who do not work in the same place outside…

Like what goes to Vegas stays in Vegas
God Bless