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vern_humphrey
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If nothing else, it sure makes your arm tired.
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estesbob
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mapleoak
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Hey now, that might be a little too graphic!
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vern_humphrey
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Yeah. Little children might see it!!Hey now, that might be a little too graphic!
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KarenNC
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As you said you did not understand what I meant, I expalined, including exactly what I was replying to and why. As you seem more interested in making jokes than actually responding to either the original point or the explanded explanation, I will be glad to try again in simpler terms if you still don’t understand.
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KarenNC
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How does showing graphic photographs of piles of the blood-covered mangled body parts of mutilated dead babies do a better job of teaching children ages 2-7 (or anyone, for that matter) what children look like at different stages of development than showing them what intact, living children look like at the same stages? My daughter has had books since she was 4 with very detailed pictures of babies at various stages of development before birth. They are some of her favorite books. She is well aware that they are babies and not “clumps of cells.” I didn’t have to show her pictures of bloody body parts to make that message abundantly clear.
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vern_humphrey
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And you seem determined to make this personal.
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KarenNC
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How in the world do you know whether or not someone “gets hot” toward abortion providers based on what they say about the tactics of certain prolife activists on this board?
Do you expect that there are large numbers of people who provide abortions on this board? I don’t. What good would it do me to ask people who already don’t provide abortions to stop doing so? It does, however, hopefully do me some good to ask people who are actually showing these graphic images to preschoolers to change their tactics.
Chooosing an appropriate audience for the particular message is part of effective communication.
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estesbob
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Babies that you believe are acceptable to kill under certain circumstances. How do you explain that to your child?
If you dont explain to them in detail the horror of abortion the culture they live in will convince them its not.
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KarenNC
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Then I suggest that you and mapleoak and vernhumprhey and philothea all get together to put together a curriculum involving these photographs of piles of bloody baby body parts for preschoolers and present it to your local Sunday School and Catholic school preschool curriculum committees.
What other graphic images of what the Church teaches is immoral behavior that costs lives do you believe we also should be showing to preschoolers without their parents’ permission lest they get an incorrect understanding of the world? You could include documentaries on the Holocaust and other genocide, there’s been recent video footage of live beheadings, soldiers laying on the ground or young children laying on the streets after a terrorist bombing --bleeding, crying, missing body parts and waiting for medical attention, footage of the people killed by drunk drivers (I bet that film we were shown in drivers’ ed is available–was it “Death on the Highway?”–I think I remember a particularly good image of a body partially melted onto a twisted car frame), alcoholics having DTs or drug addicts going through withdrawal…the list could continue. Surely we can’t trust parents to tell children about these either, particularly not before kindergarten, and by that point, it’s probably too late to affect their behavior anyway.
There may not be much time left for learning their colors and letters or the rest of the usual curriculum, but then all that is of at best secondary importance for children this age.
Education is a process. What is appropriate for adults, highschoolers, even middle schoolers, is not automatically, therefore, appropriate for preschoolers.
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KarenNC
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In what way have I tried to “avoid talking about the horror that goes on in these clinics” to anyone other than preschoolers and young elementary children? What have I said that gives you the indication that I believe abortion is anything but a terribly tragic situation or that I support abortion in all and every case for all and every reason? Have I even said that you should never show these pictures to anyone ever? No, I have specifically said that I believe these photos do indeed have a place in the discussion, just not in front of very young children.
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estesbob
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What makes you think I was talking about you?
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KarenNC
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While pregnancy in any young girl is tragic, there is a difference between talking about pregnant 14 year olds and pregnant 9 year olds, whatever the outcome of the pregnancy. Just like there is a difference in talking about appropriate sexual education strategies for a 4 year old and a 12 year old. Statistics about pregnancy and abortion rates in girls under 15 do not tell us how many of those girls were 9, 12 or 14. None of these statistics are related to whether the practice of showing graphic photos of piles of mangled bloody baby parts to the 2-7 year olds that I am discussing is appropriate.
Asking someone to cite sources for information that they provide is hardly something I would think should constitute a hardship. The the facts and figures have to come from somewhere and without knowing what that source is, it is impossible to judge its likely reliability. I would actually think that you would be anxious to show the studies, etc that support your argument.
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KarenNC
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I am not sure how to respond to a question that you asked me directly about not understanding something that I posted in response to a comment you made without making it “personal” by directing the response to you.
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terri_fortner
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I totally Agree with this!
I think women who are considering Abortion should have to face these images, and actually consider the child they are aborting. I don’t care if she is 12 if she is trying to have an abortion then she is old enough to think about the child God is growing inside of her. My mom was 14 when she had my sister, and I wouldn’t exist if she had gotten an abortion. I like remind the Pro abortionists that they should be very thankful their mothers didn’t believe in it, or they might not be here.
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terri_fortner
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Oh no I must believe that abortion is okay, b/c I never saw images like this until I became an adult…
Oh wait no, I don’t.
I was taught all through my life as it was age appropriate about life, and where babies come from, and about sex, and about abortion itself.You teach children over their entire lifetime, not in one instance and there is never just one moment or one time to teach a child something. I have been trying to teach my 4yo his letters for 2 years, and my 5yo how to write them for 6 months. She won’t learn cursive until she is much older, and to try to teach her before then is just stupid.
B/c I am pregnant right now, and they have been to see the doctor, and they have seen pictures of their little brother they know that he is a person, and he is living in my belly until God says he is ready to meet the world.
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KarenNC
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I will and have explained to my child those of my views that she has the need and developmental ability to understand. I will continue to do so.
I am still waiting for a convincing argument that I should be required to “explain in detail the horror of abortion” to a 4 year old.
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Maria1212
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Hi Karen,
You explained very clearly what I was trying to express but apparently failed to convey.
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bmmckinney
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Then you better keep your 4 year old from ever going outside or getting on the internet or watching tv.
The next time you take your 4 year old to the grocery store look at the magazine photos or what is on your daily newspaper lying around the house.
I refuse to accept your totally disingenuious double standard that you have. You haven’t seemed to complain about all the graphic images your child has seen except when they are photos of aborted babies.
Could it be that you are ashamed of your own views if your 4 year old asked you “Mommy do you think it is ok to do that to a baby?” How would you answer that?
How is it that I have met dozens of young children that see those photos and are your child’s age and know that those pictures help save babies but yours doesn’t seem to be able to do that? I’ll lay the blame on the parent on this one. Its not hard to explain the fact that people hurt babies for no good reasons and these photos help save the lives of babies that might be hurt if they aren’t shown.
The next time you take your 4 year old to the grocery store look at the magazine photos or what is on your daily newspaper lying around the house.
I refuse to accept your totally disingenuious double standard that you have. You haven’t seemed to complain about all the graphic images your child has seen except when they are photos of aborted babies.
Could it be that you are ashamed of your own views if your 4 year old asked you “Mommy do you think it is ok to do that to a baby?” How would you answer that?
How is it that I have met dozens of young children that see those photos and are your child’s age and know that those pictures help save babies but yours doesn’t seem to be able to do that? I’ll lay the blame on the parent on this one. Its not hard to explain the fact that people hurt babies for no good reasons and these photos help save the lives of babies that might be hurt if they aren’t shown.
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Mag_Uidhir
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They do get the message across however horrifying, as per example above.
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in Illinois, who was pro-choice, she was gobsmacked to say the least and didn’t know the baby was so well formed, she is now pro-life, at least I’ve changed one heart.Some women have turned away from abortion clinics because of these pictures, I have posted them in our town.
We would like to shelter our children, yet many children watch adult movies, Halloween for example, they do see stuff on TV that they aren’t supposed too, theres supposed to be protection for them from such images.
And what about bringing our children into some newspaper shops, there is some pretty graphic stuff in these stores, all top shelf, but children aren’t blind.
As Vern said, people get upset over the death of an animal, but a child, NO, killing a child for some is a service to the woman, a service to the God fearing community, Sunday morning Christians.
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Anyway with some children these images don’t just register in their tiny minds, some can’t comprehend it, others probably yes, but I don’t think we should try to hide the horror of abortion, otherwise satan has done a number on us.**
I mean your talking to someone that was told that the nurse brought my little sister on her bike in a suitcase, off-course I believed it.
A little too graphic Bob, come on tighten up…
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