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Brendan
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Well, by definition, an underage boy cannot consent either. Both parties are guilty of statutory rape.
(though, in Michigan at least, there is no prosecution if both parties are within 2 years of age of each other)
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(though, in Michigan at least, there is no prosecution if both parties are within 2 years of age of each other)
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whatevergirl
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good point
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vern_humphrey
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Perhaps it’s because their parents fail to help them understand.
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childofmary1143
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Perhaps their parents should be trusted enough to know what is best for their kids unless you think the Government should step in
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vern_humphrey
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My point, exactly!
Let the parents guide their children. If they think their children will benefit from seeing concentration camp films or pictures of aborted babies, then let them.
If they think their children will not benefit from such images, let them prevent their children from seeing them.
Let us not make those decisions for the parents.
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childofmary1143
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Agreed. Perhaps I should provide something that you aren’t aware of. I have seen these large photos at public places near highway intersections where anyone can see it and if you feel that your kid isn’t ready for that what choice does the parent have in that situation? That is my only problem with it.
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Brendan
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Well, by definition, an underage boy cannot consent either. Both parties are guilty of statutory rape.
(though, in Michigan at least, there is no prosecution if both parties are within 2 years of age of each other)
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vern_humphrey
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I am reminded of the mother who told the teacher her child was very sensitive. “If he misbehaves, beat the child sitting next to him. That will scare him into being good.”
If you feel your child isn’t ready for something like that, get him ready – or keep him away from signs. The idea that other children should be deprived of something that would benefit them is simply not tenable.
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estesbob
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That is a problem. In one european country (I cant recall the name) you are rewuired to get a form signed proving you have had counseling before you have a aboprtion. The Church forbids any Catholic organization (even CPCs) from signing the forms as that would make them complicit in the abortionI wonder if a waiver is signed to exonerate Planned Parenthood, and similiar clinics from wrongdoing??
The problem is that women who used to go to the CPCs now go to a pro-choice clinic to get the form signed. Its a tough situation and it is why we must be careful about the Govy instituting such requiremnts I, BTW, agree with the Church-one can not in good conscience sign these forms.
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vern_humphrey
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That was in Germany. Cardinal Ratzinger put a stop to this cooperation in abortion by the Church in Germany.
But my proposals are** non**-requirements. The first is simply recognition that an underage girl cannot make such a decision under pressure. If, at a later date, she chooses to sue, she should be permitted to do so.
Similarly, a person cannot know what abortion is all about until they have actually seen the unborn child – so a woman who has not been shown a 4D Sonogram has not been given the information necessary for informed consent. She should therefore be able to sue on those grounds.
No one is required to do anything in either case – we merely recognize that the mother’s consent must be mature and informed – which is in keeping with our laws on all other surgical procedures.
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melensdad
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First, I see no reason why children who are in their young teens should NOT see the graphic images. Most school districts have sex education at that age level, is this not a valid portion of that education?
If the Godless parents want to make “rubbers” available at my local public high school and accept sexual behavior then maybe the graphic images are simply going to shock some of these kids who have the ‘blessings’ of the parents to have sex into the reality and horror of abortion?
If the Godless parents want to make “rubbers” available at my local public high school and accept sexual behavior then maybe the graphic images are simply going to shock some of these kids who have the ‘blessings’ of the parents to have sex into the reality and horror of abortion?
Secondly, specifically to Vern, I’d like to know more about what you are trying to do with the 4D Ultrasound, etc. It sounds awesome! But are your forming an organization or working with one that exists to push your idea as legislation? Or is it just in the formation of idea stages? It sound like a great idea.
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vern_humphrey
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There is a hooraw in North Carolina where a bill has been introduced to make it mandatory to show a woman a 4D Sonogram of her baby before an abortion.
My approach is a different take – don’t force anyone to show a 4D Sonogram. Just make it an issue of informed consent – a woman who wasn’t shown a 4D before being aborted can sue later on the grounds that she did not receive proper information.
I work with our county Right to Life organization and some of our state legislators trying to hammer this out, but our position is, how can anyone object to giving a woman information about an upcoming surgical procedure?
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melensdad
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BRILLIANT :bowdown: Absolutely BRILLIANTMy approach is a different take – don’t force anyone to show a 4D Sonogram. Just make it an issue of informed consent – a woman who wasn’t shown a 4D before being aborted can sue later on the grounds that she did not receive proper information.
. . . our position is, how can anyone object to giving a woman information about an upcoming surgical procedure?
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mary_bobo
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Additionally, Vern, a patient is required to sign a form saying that she was fully informed of the procedure, etc. How can that be if she does not see the sonogram? Horrors that a patient should have to confront what she is about to do.There is a hooraw in North Carolina where a bill has been introduced to make it mandatory to show a woman a 4D Sonogram of her baby before an abortion.
My approach is a different take – don’t force anyone to show a 4D Sonogram. Just make it an issue of informed consent – a woman who wasn’t shown a 4D before being aborted can sue later on the grounds that she did not receive proper information.
I work with our county Right to Life organization and some of our state legislators trying to hammer this out, but our position is, how can anyone object to giving a woman information about an upcoming surgical procedure?
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JKirkLVNV
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MAJOR surgery? A child cannot have her teeth cleaned by a dentist without parental permission. A child cannot be given a baby aspirin or a cough drop by a school nurse without parental permission. A child cannot go on a field trip that involves walking to a neighboring campus to see a play without parental permission. But she can, in some places, be given an abortion.I agree…what is perplexing to me, is that an underage girl couldn’t stroll into the hospital for major surgery without her parents’ consent, yet she can have an abortion (often which scars a woman physically) on her own, without a parent/guardian approval?
Our country is so messed up.
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mapleoak
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I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not show pictures of the realities of what goes on in our world. I cannot fathom how a child no less anyone else could possibly be marred or damaged from seeing such. It is an irrational fear that to say a 5 year old child who sees a picture of an aborted baby will withdraw into oblivion and be socially damaged. I would happen to believe the people who have the hardest time are those who were not exposed early on and always believed the world to be nothing, but warmth and fuzz.
There is an old saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words”. How true in the case of the horrific nature of abortion, which seems to be so well shielded from the general public.
There is an old saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words”. How true in the case of the horrific nature of abortion, which seems to be so well shielded from the general public.
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vern_humphrey
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That’s why I also want a woman who was aborted as a minor to have the right to sue when she reaches majority.
Many a young girl is under intense pressure from her teacher, school nurse, boy friend and sometimes even from her parents. In her condition, and at her age, she cannot give consent. In addition, because she is underage, her condition is evidence of a crime – statutory rape at the least. And she is aborted then thrown back into the very environment where she got pregnant in the first place.
No one cares about her – except that she is now compromised and forced to defend abortion or admit the horror of what she did.
She should have the right to sue.
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whatevergirl
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I know
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whatevergirl
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Ok–I get what you are saying now…I think in yesterday’s exchanges, your words didn’t seem clear to me…ha but, I totally agree about suing…she isn’t able to make decisions on her own, being a minor.
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East_and_West
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If an underage girl is not capable of giving consent to have sex, then neither is an underage boy and everytime a teenage boy and girl have sex the Girl should be charged with statuatory rape.
You see, when you put the shoe on the other foot you see how silly your position is.- Status