Fr. Pfleger calls for women priests, cardinals

[csuliman]

About 30 A.D. when Jesus established The Church. The Faith of God does not have priestesses; Neither in the Catholic Church nor in the Jewish faith before it.

Again, I will repeat my argument:

The fact that Jesus did not appoint women as apostles means nothing. He did not appoint black people as apostles, does that mean we should not allow them to be priests? What about all the women that were disciples? But it is a logical fallacy to move from: “Jesus did not have women Apostles” to “Jesus did not want women Apostles”. It is a logical truth that “ought” cannot be deduced from “is” since a syllogism’s conclusion cannot contain what is not in its premises.

Furthermore, using the Jewish culture as an example does not make sense since the Jewish people at that time, as well as the Greeks and Romans, viewed women as subordinate and subjugated them. Thankfully, women are recognized as equal to men today, and since this is so, we can overturn the discriminatory policies.

 

[sidbrown]

Again, I will repeat my argument:

The fact that Jesus did not appoint women as apostles means nothing. He did not appoint black people as apostles, does that mean we should not allow them to be priests? What about all the women that were disciples? But it is a logical fallacy to move from: “Jesus did not have women Apostles” to “Jesus did not want women Apostles”. It is a logical truth that “ought” cannot be deduced from “is” since a syllogism’s conclusion cannot contain what is not in its premises.

Furthermore, using the Jewish culture as an example does not make sense since the Jewish people at that time, as well as the Greeks and Romans, viewed women as subordinate and subjugated them. Thankfully, women are recognized as equal to men today, and since this is so, we can overturn the discriminatory policies.

Yes. that seems to make some sense.
Jesus did not appoint Eskimos as Apostles. So it does not follow that Eskimos cannot be priests.

 

[markomalley]

Again, I will repeat my argument:

The fact that Jesus did not appoint women as apostles means nothing. He did not appoint black people as apostles, does that mean we should not allow them to be priests? What about all the women that were disciples? But it is a logical fallacy to move from: “Jesus did not have women Apostles” to “Jesus did not want women Apostles”. It is a logical truth that “ought” cannot be deduced from “is” since a syllogism’s conclusion cannot contain what is not in its premises.

Furthermore, using the Jewish culture as an example does not make sense since the Jewish people at that time, as well as the Greeks and Romans, viewed women as subordinate and subjugated them. Thankfully, women are recognized as equal to men today, and since this is so, we can overturn the discriminatory policies.

Here is the bottom line: Rome has spoken. It is up to us, as Catholics, to listen.

Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, written 16 years ago.

It is not a very long Apostolic Letter.

The bottom line is this:

4. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and* that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful***.​

There is no more “argument” or “arguing” about the point. If you are a Catholic, it is up to you to form your conscience to interiorly assent to that teaching.

To state it a little plainer: it is not up to the Church to line up her thinking with the teachings of csuliman, it is up to csuliman to line up his/her thinking with the teachings of the Church.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Topic has reached its limit. Thread closed.
Thank you all.