Fr. Zuhlsdorf answers the question, "Why Gregorian chant is better than 'Gather Us In' "

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Ha ha. I finally heard "Gather Us In. I posted the link for anyone who hasn’t heard it.

It’s a cool song for something like a youth retreat maybe.
 
TrueLight said:
Ha ha. I finally heard "Gather Us In. I posted the link for anyone who hasn’t heard it.

It’s a cool song for something like a youth retreat maybe.
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Lol I like how most guys are just mumbling or lip signing lol. That was a disturbing video, did not look like mass at all, how sad.
 
I never understood why some believe we should not have Gregorian chant just because they do not understand it. What’s keeping people from learning it? If you go to another country wouldn’t you want to learn the language or would you feel that the language should conform to yours? We Catholics of the Roman Rite should not have any opinion about Latin other than we should learn it! It is the language of our Rite, part of our identity and should be viewed as indispensable!
 
archangel04 said:
Lol I like how most guys are just mumbling or lip signing lol. That was a disturbing video, did not look like mass at all, how sad.
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LOL true. Some are talking, some are looking in their bags. The atmosphere, at least in this church, is not conducive to worship.
 
I find it interesting that Martin Haugen was educated at Luther College… 😦

We might have actually had a Catholic compose the Mass of Creation. Look at what the Wiki says about him:

“One of the main criticisms is that the musical style is similar to that used for children’s musicals, thus trivialising the mood and feel of the liturgical celebration.”

😛 Funny, I know a Jesuit priest who loves using sock puppets for the children during Mass. I wonder if he uses the Mass of Creation?
 
Brendan said:
We do not ‘take’ the Eucharist, we recieve it, it is a gift.

But Haugen cannot use ‘recieve’ as it will not fit the meter.

So we have theological error presented simply to make the song singable.
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There is no theological error in the phrase “take the Eucharist.” “Take” is common and perfectly fine, in the sense of “to receive into one’s body (as by swallowing, drinking, or inhaling) <take a pill>”. “Take” and “receive” are essentially interchangeable anyway, since “receive” comes from Latin capio, which means “take in hand, take hold of, lay hold of, take, seize, grasp.” Same difference. I’m not sure why this issue is such a hobby-horse on these boards, although I suspect that it is because, subconsciously or not, people wish to equate “taking Communion” with Communion in the hand and “receiving Communion” with Communion on the tongue. Well, a person can certainly be said to “take Communion on the tongue.”

“Take Communion” is also a well-worn traditional usage; for a handful of examples, see [1], [2], [3].
 
MarkThompson said:
There is no theological error in the phrase “take the Eucharist.” “Take” is common and perfectly fine, in the sense of “to receive into one’s body (as by swallowing, drinking, or inhaling) <take a pill>”. “Take” and “receive” are essentially interchangeable anyway, since “receive” comes from Latin capio, which means “take in hand, take hold of, lay hold of, take, seize, grasp.” Same difference. I’m not sure why this issue is such a hobby-horse on these boards, although I suspect that it is because, subconsciously or not, people wish to equate “taking Communion” with Communion in the hand and “receiving Communion” with Communion on the tongue. Well, a person can certainly be said to “take Communion on the tongue.”

“Take Communion” is also a well-worn traditional usage; for a handful of examples, see [1], [2], [3].
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I was chastised for saying “take communion” when I first joined the forum, lol.
 
jilly4ski said:
I don’t know about you, but those last 2 verses don’t seem to “fit” real nicely with Catholic theology. 🤷

:rotfl: It’s like he knew the song was bad.
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The song we enter is to be follow and be lile Christ a metiphore.
The bread and wine are taken to be transformed just as the people come to be transformed.
The wine of compassion, the blood of Christ.
It’s written as poetry.
 
TrueLight said:
I was chastised for saying “take communion” when I first joined the forum, lol.
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“Taking” sounds like you’re reaching into the ciborium or at least has that kind of connotation. “Receiving” connotes more of a “wait until it’s actually given” behavior. So there is a difference in English theology and attitude. But if we sing the Latin, there would not be that problem. One would hope, anyway.
 
The Latin needs to be studied.

And it’s not that difficult.

And it’s especially important when the teachings of the Church have been watered down, … or worse.
 
ProVobis said:
“Taking” sounds like you’re reaching into the ciborium or at least has that kind of connotation. “Receiving” connotes more of a “wait until it’s actually given” behavior. So there is a difference in English theology and attitude. But if we sing the Latin, there would not be that problem. One would hope, anyway.
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Were you the one that chastised me, ProVobis? 😉
 
Monte_RCMS said:
The Latin needs to be studied.

And it’s not that difficult.

And it’s especially important when the teachings of the Church have been watered down, … or worse.
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In my opinion, the easiest way to begin is to get the Latin and English versions of hymns such as Tantum Ergo … written by St. Thomas Aquinas, by the way … and by looking at the print edtions, you can compare the words and the thoughts.

If you visit Google, and type in tantum ergo lots of great sites pop up.

Here is just one of them:

fisheaters.com/hymns.html
 
TrueLight said:
Were you the one that chastised me, ProVobis? 😉
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I don’t recall that. I do remember some time ago discussing “Take and eat” vs “Accept and eat” vs “Receive and eat” because the latin word is accipe and it has its own connotation.
 
////Taking" sounds like you’re reaching into the ciborium or at least has that kind of connotation///

Why did I see Cardinals during a papal mass doing exactly this?
 
MarkThompson said:
I’m not sure why this issue is such a hobby-horse on these boards, although I suspect that it is because, subconsciously or not, people wish to equate “taking Communion” with Communion in the hand and “receiving Communion” with Communion on the tongue. Well, a person can certainly be said to “take Communion on the tongue.”
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Mark,

Is it your claim then that “to take a gift” and “to recieve a gift” are synomous actions?

Or that if you read in the paper that someone took a diamond ring and in another paper that someone recieved a diamond ring, that it was the same thing happening?
 
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