The Catholic teaching is that wisdom is a property of the soul which is immaterial. The soul is not the brain.You don’t answer my question so I repeat it again: Do you always pick up the best options in a situational?
Moreover wisdom is a property of brain.
If you want to see difference between stone and human, you need to look at anatomy of human to see how much they are different and complex.
We become wise with experience. All experience in our life build out wisdom. Soul is immaterial, cannot have any shape hence it is changeless.The Catholic teaching is that wisdom is a property of the soul which is immaterial. The soul is not the brain.
So you agree we have no free will?Choosing?
Catechism
1799 Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.
1800 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience.
1801 Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.
1802 The Word of God is a light for our path. We must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. This is how moral conscience is formed.
What God justice and justice in generally means if there is no free will.Whether free will is an illusion or not, we BELIEVE we have free will. (or we don’t). So many things in our lives may be based on pure illusion, but that doesn’t stop us from acting on what we perceive to be true through our own beings.
We have free will because God makes it possible.We become wise with experience. All experience in our life build out wisdom. Soul is immaterial, cannot have any shape hence it is changeless.
So you agree we have no free will?
“Free” does not imply free from cost or consequence, but rather from predetermination.No. For example paying taxes. For many people, this is something that they would not do freely. You are more or less forced to pay your taxes under pain of landing in a jail cell.
This is rather ambiguous. Free will is not a mirage. Possibly, and maybe largely, misunderstood? Definitely. We determine, from what we are given, the nature of relationships we develop with one another, the world and with God. We become who we will ourselves to be within the context of our blessings and the world we are thrown into. That’s how I understand it.“Free” does not imply free from cost or consequence, but rather from predetermination. . . free-will is in very large part a mirage . . .
The “perfect freedom” of the human will is a mirage; there is no perfect freedom.This is rather ambiguous. Free will is not a mirage. Possibly, and maybe largely, misunderstood? Definitely. We determine, from what we are given, the nature of relationships we develop with one another, the world and with God. We become who we will ourselves to be within the context of our blessings and the world we are thrown into. That’s how I understand it.
I was believing for a long time that free will just take action when two options are equally liked. But then I change my mind because free will like a random act when option are equally liked. Moreover I realized that all our decision are rational. So I can confidently say that our decision are either rational or random.
I don’t agree with Libet experiment because decision is randomly done since it is not really matter when to press the button.
1.) If an end is not possible, the means to it are not possible.
2.) But deliberation is a means to the end of choice,
3.) And where choice is possible virtue is possible,
4.) So if we have no choice to be virtuous, we cannot deliberate either
Deliberation means that our action is not free.5.) But it is clear from experience that we do deliberate, and and that we really do things deliberately.
This article agree with me since what is necessity is on top of priority list.
His argument is that we have free will because we are rational. When you have two options that seem rationally defensible, you have “degrees of freedom” to move in either direction.I was believing for a long time that free will just take action when two options are equally liked. But then I change my mind because free will like a random act when option are equally liked. Moreover I realized that all our decision are rational. So I can confidently say that our decision are either rational or random.
I don’t agree with Libet experiment because decision is randomly done since it is not really matter when to press the button.
What does it mean to be free? A free will is one that is unhindered to seek the good. It isn’t random, as you say.Deliberation means that our action is not free.
I agree with him: the will isn’t utterly determined, but also not utterly free.This article agree with me since what is necessity is on top of priority list.
It is logically impossible to create a person with free will. I have a thread here. You find OP in the following:We have free will because God makes it possible.
1731 Freedom is the power, rooted in reason and will, to act or not to act, to do this or that, and so to perform deliberate actions on one’s own responsibility. By free will one shapes one’s own life. Human freedom is a force for growth and maturity in truth and goodness; it attains its perfection when directed toward God, our beatitude.
You choose the best option if there is no equally like options.
- Design means planning to build/create something according to specific function
- Free will is the ability to decide between two equally liked options
- From (2) we can deduce that free will is not a functional ability since one cannot define a function which choose one output from two (name removed by moderator)uts when two (name removed by moderator)uts are equally liked
- From (3) we can deduce that God cannot design a being with free will
- From (4) we can deduce that God cannot create a being with free will
Can you prove that you act free and not randomly in a situation with two equally liked option? Who care for such a free will at the end because it is very rare.His argument is that we have free will because we are rational. When you have two options that seem rationally defensible, you have “degrees of freedom” to move in either direction.
I said free will is like random when two options are equally liked. We of course make our priority list first before decisions.What does it mean to be free? A free will is one that is unhindered to seek the good. It isn’t random, as you say.
Our will is utterly determined since we choose the best option from the list of options. We are of course process the situation (options) to build priority list.I agree with him: the will isn’t utterly determined, but also not utterly free.
Christi pax,
Lucretius
By human nature alone one may draw that conclusion. However, God gives man the ability, so we are not just like the non-rational animals.It is logically impossible to create a person with free will. I have a thread here. You find OP in the following:
You choose the best option if there is no equally like options.
So, do you agree that free will is an illusion since we are rational animal?By human nature alone one may draw that conclusion. However, God gives man the ability, so we are not just like the non-rational animals.
No. Humans have an immortal rational soul, it is spiritual, and which makes them different than animals. The rational soul provides intelligence and will.So, do you agree that free will is an illusion since we are rational animal?
What does he mean to be free and rational. To me we are rational being only and this does not leave any room for freedom.His argument is that we have free will because we are rational. When you have two options that seem rationally defensible, you have “degrees of freedom” to move in either direction.
I have no idea what freedom means if we are rational.What does it mean to be free?
That is the power of rationality which allows us to create a priority list.A free will is one that is unhindered to seek the good.
I said a decision is random when options are equally liked.It isn’t random, as you say.
I think I misunderstood the article. Could you please elaborate?I agree with him: the will isn’t utterly determined, but also not utterly free.
Christi pax,
Lucretius
Lets forget about animal. How you could be rational and free at the same time? Rationality act like a constraint when the priority list is finalized.No. Humans have an immortal rational soul, it is spiritual, and which makes them different than animals. The rational soul provides intelligence and will.
Rational freedom is freedom from the feelings such that the will can decide what the mind enlightened by faith, judges is the right course of action.Lets forget about animal. How you could be rational and free at the same time? Rationality act like a constraint when the priority list is finalized.
And what would you do in a situation that you have similar feeling for all options? You have to create the priority list of you options hence you are free from feeling but you are trapped by rationality. By the way, why we should exclude feeling in our life when they are very important aspect of our lives.Rational freedom is freedom from the feelings such that the will can decide what the mind enlightened by faith, judges is the right course of action.
These are not related to our discussion.Perception of truth is arrived at by a reasoning process or perceived with intuition immediately is from the intellect. So reason is a process and intellect is possession. Intellect is the spiritual power of cognition, the faculty of thinking in a way essentially higher than with the imagination and senses. By intellect reality in known in a nonmaterial manner.
Rationism is the thought system or mental attitude holding that human reason is self-sufficient and not needing divine revelation to help know that which is necessary for well-being. This is not consistent with the religious view.