Freemasonry A Evil Group

[workingman]

Mmmmm no, not exactly. Just backing up your point. From personal experence I know that the majority of masons haven’t a clue what the orginization is all about. They view it as an exclusive soical club. And are proud of the charitable works that they do. I was in it for several years before I really started studing what was taught in the rituals. And I had been committing it to memory all that time. It just had not “sunk in.” Pike’s book was an eye opener

Ok. I have not read Albert Pike’s book I am assuming “Morals and Dogma” this is the one I am assumining you are talking about. I have only heard or seen snipits of material on this book.

 

[DallasTexas]

Steel Arrow;5153098:

The assembly in St. Peters Square is a historical fact secret society or not. I quite publicly proclamed my masonic affiliation before I decided to leave the loge. I was quite proud of it and at some points I do think I regret leaving, but I was being faced with church diciplin due to my affilitation and I felt I had to make a choise between salvation and loge I think you can guess wich one won out.

Workingman,

Thank you for your post.

Can you provide me with more info on the above referred to assembly in St. Peters Square?

Thank you again.

 

[human_being]

The freemasons asked my father to join the lodge a few months ago.He was a bit surprised at my reaction that “you know catholics can’t join that don’t you”. He never knew he couldn’t.If it’s not a topic at Mass which I don’t think it ever is alot of guys may not know that they are not allowed.
The rajah’s have been making their presence known more in my area lately also.I saw them at a grocery store 2-3 years ago fundraising much like the salvation army does at Christmas.
The local lodge is also having monthly breakfasts open to the public for 2-4 years now.Possibly recruting,I don’t know.
Our area also has a number of halloween parades and the rajah’s presence was much stronger than I ever noticed this past halloween.They had a bunch of floats with large numbers of musicians on each one. And they had little go carts driving all over the place in another part of the parade. I never noticed them so much before.
My daughters are in catholic elementary school and I noticed the kindergartners had a post card display on the hallway wall right in front of the office. One of the pictures was a picture of a current freemason lodge. Meaning it was a new,not old post card.There were postcards from all different places.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

Ok. I have not read Albert Pike’s book I am assuming “Morals and Dogma” …

Yeppers, dat’s de one

 

[KyivAndrew]

I just now had a chance to read your entire post. You are brilliant

Hey thanks Dirk. I just got online and actually the only reason I posted a second time was because I could see the courage you were taking and going full out in defense of Christ and the Church. Anyman with guts like that (and it really shouldn’t take guts because the Truth is on this side of the argument no matter how many contortions and half-truths the Masons make - which half-truths they take oaths to keep from the profane, so what else can you expect.)

I just have to say it: you Lodge Guys on the square responding to Dirk sometimes show in the posts here that, deep inside, you really are not just arguing with us but you’re also arguing within yourselves. You can see it in your posts. Do you guys really have the guts to commit BLASPHEMY with full knowledge that your savior Christ is going to hold you accountable when you are finally laid to rest. Do you honestly believe that a MASONIC BENEDICTION on your death will cry out to Christ and all the saints for your salvation when you are in your funeral casket or don’t you at least worry that JAHBULON and Osiris might have a certain say into where you pledged your soul. A MASONIC FUNEREAL BENEDICTION. Where do you guys actually think that Big Lodge in the sky really is? It isn’t the Christian heaven, what with all your little pagan gods. Unbelievable. You guys are so blinded you don’t care anymore or you’ve just let your soul to rot.

Yes, I know Ben Franklin had a Masonic Funeral in Washington, but Ben Franklin: a) wasn’t Jesus Christ and b) these Anti-Christ elements in the Masonic ritual did not show up in the ritual until long after Franklin died, in the 19th Century when you guys know JAHBULON was brought in and all the rituals everywhere with any Praising of Jesus were explicitly taken out of the Masonic Religion.

Deep down, I think some Masons here know this and feel it inside. Hence the thank you’s between clenched teeth. In the end brothers, LOVE and the TRUTH win out. Not Jahbulon.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

…
Now you’re probably going to tell me that you’ve read all of Pike’s “Morals and Dogma”… I admit that I haven’t.

Please tell me where the above referred to disagreement is (ie page number, paragraph, etc)…

I normally do not make long posts because I usually do not read them myself. The link is not the best of websites. A lot of anti Catholic stuff. But the oath was close to what I remember in my own lodge. Remember, each state in the US does it juuuust a little differently. The quote from Pike is easily traceable. And remember, Not all is taught in the blue lodge. And even in the scottish rite one has more & more opened. Pike himself taught that the worship of Lucifer was not to be sprung on the new initiate. I guess that was so as to not scare him off.

trosch.org/bks/blue_lodge.html

Albert Pike 33°
"That which we must say to a crowd is - We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees - The Masonic Religion should be, by alll of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.

If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?
Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive in La Femme et l’Enfant dans la FrancMaconnerie Universelle on page 588
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it’s splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! Morals and Dogma page 321

Now, please get the whole book & read it. Please read it all.

 

[workingman]

workingman;5153137:

Workingman,

Thank you for your post.

Can you provide me with more info on the above referred to assembly in St. Peters Square?

Thank you again.

Hello DallasTexas, Thank you for the responce and challenge. I am still in the process of searching for somthing better but I will post a link for this for you. It is quite lengthy. Let me know what you think.

freemasonrywatch.org/stpeters_squared.html

 

[DallasTexas]

It would be a very good idea for you to read it :sad_yes: rather than me post links to tidbits here & there. You can usually find a used copy in good condition on e-bay for a good price. The fact that you have not read it does explaine why you do not think I am “shooting stright.”

I will go ahead & say it … you are the reason I have kept posting & not lost patiences. Your bio says Catholic. I am concerned about you. No foolin’. I am not being sarcastic. I want you to relise why you should let your membership simply laps. Don’t just attend the meetings, study what is taught. Listen to the words.

And please do not think the words are all symbolic. If it was all simbolic you would not have taken your oath on an open Bible.

I’m going to look for a few things. I’ll get back to you soon.

Dirk,

Thank you. I appreciate your concern and your patience with me.

Please provide references.

Laying my cards on the table…

This is a subject to which I have devoted as much time as possible over the last 14+ months. I had heard of the Church’s disapproval of Freemasonry, but did not know the extent of it until I did further research. After studying the Church documents prohibiting Freemasonry, I was really quite puzzled. The organization described in those documents are not the organization that I know. In previous threads and post, we have discussed openly the accusations of the Church against the organization (from “anti-catholic” to relativism, rationalism, the oaths, etc). I have not been able to find a solid accusation yet.

I just read the book by John J. Robinson, “Born in Blood.” I realize that the origins of freemasonry is something that no one know for certain, but Robinson gave a really good work on his belief of the origins of the fraternity. A lot of pieces of the puzzle really seemed to come together.

Freemasonry having been derived from the Knights Templar answers a lot of the why’s… Especially regarding the Church’s stance.

Anyway… this is an area that I am still trying to research. Any additional information is greatly appreciated.

I have to say that with everything I know about the organization, there is nothing “evil” about it.

Thank you again.

 

[workingman]

The freemasons asked my father to join the lodge a few months ago.He was a bit surprised at my reaction that “you know catholics can’t join that don’t you”. He never knew he couldn’t.If it’s not a topic at Mass which I don’t think it ever is alot of guys may not know that they are not allowed.
The rajah’s have been making their presence known more in my area lately also.I saw them at a grocery store 2-3 years ago fundraising much like the salvation army does at Christmas.
The local lodge is also having monthly breakfasts open to the public for 2-4 years now.Possibly recruting,I don’t know.
Our area also has a number of halloween parades and the rajah’s presence was much stronger than I ever noticed this past halloween.They had a bunch of floats with large numbers of musicians on each one. And they had little go carts driving all over the place in another part of the parade. I never noticed them so much before.
My daughters are in catholic elementary school and I noticed the kindergartners had a post card display on the hallway wall right in front of the office. One of the pictures was a picture of a current freemason lodge. Meaning it was a new,not old post card.There were postcards from all different places.

That is highly unusual for a loge to ask someone to join. That is not the policy. One is sposed to have to ask one to be one. It is quit tipical for a masonic loge to hold breakfasts/brunches ect… this is to not directly recruite new members but to get them into the public eye. Does this help to bring in new members yes. The masonic temples are again growing.

p.s. what is rajah for give my ignorance.

 

[DallasTexas]

DallasTexas;5156331:

Hello DallasTexas, Thank you for the responce and challenge. I am still in the process of searching for somthing better but I will post a link for this for you. It is quite lengthy. Let me know what you think.

freemasonrywatch.org/stpeters_squared.html

Workingman,

Thank you for your post.

Please don’t consider it a challenge. I didn’t mean it that way and hope it didn’t come across as such. Every time I get “too big for my britches” I wind-up getting put in my place pretty quick.

Thank you for the address.

I believe this article is about the P2 or Propaganda Due lodge in Rome. From what I have read, P2 got its charter yanked a few years prior to this incident. I don’t know all the detail other than it was a rogue lodge.

Nevertheless this reflects poorly on the organization.

There are a number of black sheep in the organization.

Aaron Burr
Thomas Arnold
George Wallace
Henry Ford

 

[Dirk_Skene]

… After studying the Church documents prohibiting Freemasonry, I was really quite puzzled. The organization described in those documents are not the organization that I know. In previous threads and post, we have discussed openly the accusations of the Church against the organization (from “anti-catholic” to relativism, rationalism, the oaths, etc). I have not been able to find a solid accusation yet. …

The lodge here in The States & what is in Europe is not exactly the same thing. I mean YES ther ARE related & a mason from Europe can sit in lodge here & vis versa. The Europen veriaty has been & to a degree (no pun meant) still is antiCatholic. Even though one would have a hard time accusing the lodge in the US of being antiCatholic, there is still enough wrong with it that a Christian of any “flavor” should not be in it.

You ordered that book yet

 

[workingman]

workingman;5156405:

Workingman,

Thank you for your post.

Please don’t consider it a challenge. I didn’t mean it that way and hope it didn’t come across as such. Every time I get “too big for my britches” I wind-up getting put in my place pretty quick.

I do not look at having to back up my assertions as a bad thing and it can be challenging. I to have put my foot in my mouth at times

Thank you for the address.
You are welcome
I believe this article is about the P2 or Propaganda Due lodge in Rome. From what I have read, P2 got its charter yanked a few years prior to this incident. I don’t know all the detail other than it was a rogue lodge.
you are correct P2 did get their charter yanked.
Nevertheless this reflects poorly on the organization.
Yes it does. Every organization has them though.
There are a number of black sheep in the organization.
Are the names below some of the black sheep? If so what are some of there offences.
Aaron Burr
Thomas Arnold
George Wallace
Henry Ford

 

[Dirk_Skene]

I got another link

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

 

[Dirk_Skene]

Here is one more

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

Now If I can just find the one I REALLY want to post

 

[Dirk_Skene]

Hot dang! Found what I was looking for :extrahappy:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

 

[workingman]

DallasTexas,
I believe I will have to retact my statement of St. Peters Square being a complete fact for now. I can not find sufficient evidence for it for now. I did find a second link you may find interesting though.

smotjnyc.org/history.htm

 

[workingman]

I have to question the CC stance now on freemasonry. Here is a link to the simie official news paper Catholic News Agency. Here is the link.

catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=4581

If the CC is so anti masonic as I have read in many other places this is very dissapointing news for the CC and also very contradictary.

 

[jam070406]

I have to question the CC stance now on freemasonry. Here is a link to the simie official news paper Catholic News Agency. Here is the link.

catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=4581

If the CC is so anti masonic as I have read in many other places this is very dissapointing news for the CC and also very contradictary.

Why woud you question the Church’s stance??
It has not changed.

Why form your opinion on a misguided or dissenting priest and not on Church teaching?

 

[KyivAndrew]

I have to question the CC stance now on freemasonry. Here is a link to the simie official news paper Catholic News Agency. Here is the link.

catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=4581

If the CC is so anti masonic as I have read in many other places this is very dissapointing news for the CC and also very contradictary.

That doesn’t trump the Vatican link Dirk gave you. That is an official Vatican Declaration. You posted a newsarticle about one unnamed priest, and the Catholic press story is not the official mouthpiece of the Vatican. If the Church’s stance changed, that link Dirk gave you would not be showing up. Italy had a terrible legacy with the entire P2 Masonic scandal so one UNNAMED priest is allowed to pray and console some of them.

This isn’t new. They tried this in Brazil once and the Vatican quickly condemned it. Again that papal declaration stands: GRAVE SIN. It hasn’t been changed and believe me a standard website reporter is not going to know the ins and outs. You have to go with the Pope on this one.

 

[workingman]

That doesn’t trump the Vatican link Dirk gave you. That is an official Vatican Declaration. You posted a newsarticle about one unnamed priest, and the Catholic press story is not the official mouthpiece of the Vatican. If the Church’s stance changed, that link Dirk gave you would not be showing up. Italy had a terrible legacy with the entire P2 Masonic scandal so one UNNAMED priest is allowed to pray and console some of them.

This isn’t new. They tried this in Brazil once and the Vatican quickly condemned it. Again that papal declaration stands: GRAVE SIN. It hasn’t been changed and believe me a standard website reporter is not going to know the ins and outs. You have to go with the Pope on this one.

I am not saying the Pope is wrong at all. It looks realy bad though when one of your clurgy goes against the long standing of the Papal teachings and declaration on this.
I understand the grave sin on this. P2 was a roge group though that did have its charter revoked.