Freemasonry A Evil Group

[Azaziel]

No it’s not a religion - every mason knows, that Freemasonry brings men to the further love of their own particular God.

Masonry is not an organised dictatorship - it does not harbour pedophiles, it does not “forget” to imform the police if a child has been abused - Mr Sean Brady.

Moro Rock - your latin is a bit off - “new order of the ages” not “secular new order”.

This is my right to reply and I am exercising it. The more people find out about Masonry, the more they want to become involved - by the way, there are more young men entering Masonry in Ireland than the seminary.

I wonder why? - is it because in Maynooth the church harboured a pedo called Ledwidth as college president there for years?

 

[ralphinal]

No it’s not a religion - every mason knows, that Freemasonry brings men to the further love of their own particular God.

Masonry is not an organised dictatorship - it does not harbour pedophiles, it does not “forget” to imform the police if a child has been abused - Mr Sean Brady.

Moro Rock - your latin is a bit off - “new order of the ages” not “secular new order”.

This is my right to reply and I am exercising it. The more people find out about Masonry, the more they want to become involved - by the way, there are more young men entering Masonry in Ireland than the seminary.

I wonder why? - is it because in Maynooth the church harboured a pedo called Ledwidth as college president there for years?

Will you defend Masonry as well when you see the connection between masons in Alabama and the KKK? Or their connection in the bombing of black churches in the 20th century? Or any and all of the human rights abuses that they have undertaken in my home state?

 

[Swan]

I don’t get why so many of you spent 40 pages of comments talking past each other on the subject. If you’re a mason, you’re wasting your time trying to defend the group to devout Catholics. The pope decreed it, they believe it. End of story. It has nothing to do with Freemasonry being singled out for special treatment. If the pope declared watching Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood was a sin or decided Mother Theresa was evil after all, those two would be persona non grata in devout Catholic households, no questions asked.

So the pope doesn’t approve of your organization. So what? He doesn’t approve of how most of the world’s people conduct their business, including probably 80% of Catholics. Apart from the Church, and a few wackjob conspiracy types, most people today see the masons as a morally neutral, old line respectable if quirky fraternal society. Your only threat these days comes from the general rot of social and civic apathy. On the other hand, if you’re on the devout Catholic side of the fence, why waste your breath. If a mason is non-Catholic, it’s no concern of yours whatsoever. If they are, it’s a matter between that person and God and probably their bishop. You must really have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Moro_Rock]

The Seals on the back of the Am. dollar bill since 1933 thanks to 33°rd Degree Freemason President Rosevelt
The Latin words tell us they are setting up a one world system over which Lucifer will be in complete control
Annuit Coeptis announcing the birth of ]
Novus Ordo Seclorum a secular heathenistic , new order ]
According to Oxford University Library the true meaning of Seclorum is secular
heathenistic
Godless
the Absence of God

 

[gamewell45]

The Seals on the back of the Am. dollar bill since 1933 thanks to 33°rd Degree Freemason President Rosevelt
The Latin words tell us they are setting up a one world system over which Lucifer will be in complete control
Annuit Coeptis announcing the birth of ]
Novus Ordo Seclorum a secular heathenistic , new order ]
According to Oxford University Library the true meaning of Seclorum is secular
heathenistic
Godless
the Absence of God

My goodness, more hysterics.

 

[gamewell45]

I agree that freemasons are evil on many levels. The one that upsets me the most. Is as I was looking into info about the poor knights of Christ. I learned that the masons went and made a group in them and named them after the knights. I found a book in the local Catholic book store by regine pernoud about the templars. It is a wonderful book and shows how the true knights of the temple could not have been part of the masons.

David,

How could you possibly know what your talking about?? Unless you’ve been a Freemason before, you have absolutely no knowledge about us or what we do, other then by reading books or magazine articles which is mere speculation and as such have no legitimate credibility.

 

[gmcbroom]

I have a strange question. When Jesus was asked about the 2 greatest commandments He said…
1- To love your God above all. In short he’s #1.
2- To love thy neighbor as you would love yourself.

 Now the first one is obvious and while they probably have unique mysteries and practices I don't know if they  actually deny God.  
 I'm going through RCIA so I'm learning this stuff as I go along.  But, doesn't the second one mean that even if you disagree with your neighbor you should still love them.  so lets not condemn the Masons or anyone else because they are our neighbors.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I have a strange question. When Jesus was asked about the 2 greatest commandments He said…
1- To love your God above all. In short he’s #1.
2- To love thy neighbor as you would love yourself.

 Now the first one is obvious and while they probably have unique mysteries and practices I don't know if they  actually deny God.  
 I'm going through RCIA so I'm learning this stuff as I go along.  But, doesn't the second one mean that even if you disagree with your neighbor you should still love them.  so lets not condemn the Masons or anyone else because they are our neighbors.

I agree with you to a point. It is not the members of the masons that I personnally speack out agiast. i know men that are mason and they are fine upstanding men. They do many wonderful, charitale works in the communities that they live in.

It is the organization itself that that the church is opposed to. Masonary teaches a relative belief in God. Meaning that whatever your personal belief in a supreme being is; be it monotheistic or polytheistic, be you a deist. or whatever, that is fine. this is in direct conflict with the Chirstian beleif.

 

[DallasTexas]

I have a strange question. When Jesus was asked about the 2 greatest commandments He said…
1- To love your God above all. In short he’s #1.
2- To love thy neighbor as you would love yourself.

 Now the first one is obvious and while they probably have unique mysteries and practices I don't know if they  actually deny God.  
 I'm going through RCIA so I'm learning this stuff as I go along.  But, doesn't the second one mean that even if you disagree with your neighbor you should still love them.  so lets not condemn the Masons or anyone else because they are our neighbors.

I agree with you to a point. It is not the members of the masons that I personnally speack out agiast. i know men that are mason and they are fine upstanding men. They do many wonderful, charitale works in the communities that they live in.

It is the organization itself that that the church is opposed to. Masonary teaches a relative belief in God. Meaning that whatever your personal belief in a supreme being is; be it monotheistic or polytheistic, be you a deist. or whatever, that is fine. this is in direct conflict with the Chirstian beleif.

oneGODoneChurch,

Thank you for your post.

Masonry does not teach a relative belief in God. It is open to men of all faiths and does not discriminate against those with different beliefs. It only discriminates against those without belief (aka atheist).

I believe that if the Church chooses to continue with the prohibition against Freemasonry; the prohibition should be grounded in fact not fiction… After much study, I am not able to find a reason that I would consider valid and material enough to cause such prohibition.

Thank you again for your post.

 

[distracted]

No it’s not a religion - every mason knows, that Freemasonry brings men to the further love of their own particular God.

Masonry is not an organised dictatorship - it does not harbour pedophiles, it does not “forget” to imform the police if a child has been abused - Mr Sean Brady.

Moro Rock - your latin is a bit off - “new order of the ages” not “secular new order”.

This is my right to reply and I am exercising it. The more people find out about Masonry, the more they want to become involved - by the way, there are more young men entering Masonry in Ireland than the seminary.

I wonder why? - is it because in Maynooth the church harboured a pedo called Ledwidth as college president there for years?

***if its so wonderful why does the Roman Catholic Church excommunicate anyone who joins??? ***

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

oneGODoneChurch,

Thank you for your post.

Masonry does not teach a relative belief in God. ** It is open to men of all faiths and does not discriminate against those with different beliefs**. It only discriminates against those without belief (aka atheist).

I believe that if the Church chooses to continue with the prohibition against Freemasonry; the prohibition should be grounded in fact not fiction… After much study, I am not able to find a reason that I would consider valid and material enough to cause such prohibition.

Thank you again for your post.

This part of your reply that I have boldened is then main problem with Masonary. You can not teach that whatever your belief is in God is fine and be in line with Church docturine. That is a reletiveistic view of God and is a falsehood.

 

[philipmarie]

If the Popes had not been so keen to condemn the Masons, the supposed anti-Catholicism of the Masons might not exist. People & institutions are often the causes of their own problems, & a little more mildness, less zeal to hurl anathemas, with a bit less paranoia (as in the Leo Taxil affair, for instance) might have avoided a lot of the friction. It still can.​

• ["L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux ("L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux)
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil)
• [LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES (LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES)
• [Leo Taxil’s confession (Leo Taxil’s confession)

There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria ?

If the Church can cease to anathematise Protestants, it should be able to perform the same motions towards Freemasons. It took over 400 years to decide that Protestants were “separated brethren” & not heretics - maybe, in 2150 or so, it will outgrow its anti-Masonry.

If the Church did not condemn freemasonry, the masons would come and spread their poisonous, vile, evil devilish, villinous errors into the whole world. Kindness is for fools! They want them to be treated with oil, soap and carresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists! In a duel, you do not count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not done with charity, it is a struggle, a duel. If Our Lord were not terrible, He would not have given an example in this too. See how He teated the Philistines, the sowers of error, the wolve’s in sheep’s clothing, the traitors in the temple: He scourged them with whips!

If a Mother does not reprove her child for a wrong thing which he did, he would become a nasty little villain, and not a nice little angel. He would become so naughty that he would end up in jail when he would have grown up. Down with the Freemasonic devils!

 

[kepha1]

oneGODoneChurch,

Thank you for your post.

Masonry does not teach a relative belief in God. It is open to men of all faiths and does not discriminate against those with different beliefs. It only discriminates against those without belief (aka atheist).

I believe that if the Church chooses to continue with the prohibition against Freemasonry; the prohibition should be grounded in fact not fiction… After much study, I am not able to find a reason that I would consider valid and material enough to cause such prohibition.

Thank you again for your post.

Would a former 32nd degree Mason and Shriner provide accurate, reliable facts?

Quote from John Salza
The primary reason for the Church’s opposition to Freemasonry is that Freemasonry promotes indifferentism. Indifferentism is the heretical belief that all religions are equally legitimate paths to God. Freemasonry promotes indifferentism in many ways, such as by inviting all religious writings to take an equal place on the Masonic altar with the Sacred Scriptures, and promoting a common religious worship through esoteric ritual. The other reason why Masonry is incompatible with the Christian faith concerns Masonry’s requirement that its members swear oaths of self-donation to the organization and its principles under symbolic, blood-curdling penalties of self-mutilation and death. I can elaborate on these reasons of indifferentism and false oaths if you would like. scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html#scripture-II

 

[human_being]

Would a former 32nd degree Mason and Shriner provide accurate, reliable facts?

I think my personal issues with this country have a partial blame to be laid on Freemasonry. Alot of the founding fathers were mason,s and therefore at odds with the church. They believe in “allowing” or encouraging different freedoms for different religions and religious beliefs. Although there is the principle of ecumenism)probably spelled wrong), it is most problably different then the freemason principle…
When we have a country where Wiccans must be treated equally as cathoilcs. and a constitution which backs it, it almost feels as if fighting a losing battle. This country was not based on Catholic ideals. It was based on freemason ideals…and these ideals spread throughout the political system and become engrained as “normal” in our minds.
Indifference- as cited- seems to be the result of years of accepting the American freemason ideals of freedom and liberty. For the very fibers which make up our constitution are not built on a Catholic rock but on a freemason, false religion rock…making all religions equal. And as the freemasons wanted the Church becomes “numb” and 'accepting" of it. And as the constitution is engrained as “all-knowing” and “morally” correct, the church takes a secondary seat under what is taught in the government regulated education department even in the cathoilc schools. For in order for the church to be eligable for public funding for schools, they must follow government regulated and imposed curriculums,teaching certain american values which the government feels must be taught and thus imposes.Thus brainwashing generations and generations of students into thinking that the “American morals” of freedoms and liberties are on just as high a ground as the church’s.

 

[gamewell45]

I think my personal issues with this country have a partial blame to be laid on Freemasonry. Alot of the founding fathers were mason,s and therefore at odds with the church. They believe in “allowing” or encouraging different freedoms for different religions and religious beliefs. Although there is the principle of ecumenism)probably spelled wrong), it is most problably different then the freemason principle…
When we have a country where Wiccans must be treated equally as cathoilcs. and a constitution which backs it, it almost feels as if fighting a losing battle. This country was not based on Catholic ideals. It was based on freemason ideals…and these ideals spread throughout the political system and become engrained as “normal” in our minds.
Indifference- as cited- seems to be the result of years of accepting the American freemason ideals of freedom and liberty. For the very fibers which make up our constitution are not built on a Catholic rock but on a freemason, false religion rock…making all religions equal. And as the freemasons wanted the Church becomes “numb” and 'accepting" of it. And as the constitution is engrained as “all-knowing” and “morally” correct, the church takes a secondary seat under what is taught in the government regulated education department even in the cathoilc schools. For in order for the church to be eligable for public funding for schools, they must follow government regulated and imposed curriculums,teaching certain american values which the government feels must be taught and thus imposes.Thus brainwashing generations and generations of students into thinking that the “American morals” of freedoms and liberties are on just as high a ground as the church’s.

I think that the founders of the constitution took into account that many immigrants came to America to escape discrimination in their own counties; many were discriminated because of their religious beliefs. Taking that into account, they drafted the constitution purposely which did not allow for a state religion because not everyone can come to an agreement on what should and should not be. If we had a state religion, say Baptist, then you’d have the other Protestants, Catholics, Jewish, Muslims, Wiccans, taking issue with it.

I think the founding fathers wisely made no provision for state religion in the constitution; giving each religious body equal footing which I think was the rational thing to do; and yes, Freemasons had significant (name removed by moderator)ut into the writing of the constitution as the tenets of freemasonry were that time and to this day one of tolerance of those who are different or think different then we do. I think it saves a lot of strife that would otherwise occur if there was a state religion in place.

 

[joe_clark]

**Originally Posted by kenofken
I don’t get why so many of you spent 40 pages of comments talking past each other on the subject. If you’re a mason, you’re wasting your time trying to defend the group to devout Catholics. The pope decreed it, they believe it. End of story. It has nothing to do with Freemasonry being singled out for special treatment. If the pope declared watching Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood was a sin or decided Mother Theresa was evil after all, those two would be persona non grata in devout Catholic households, no questions asked.

So the pope doesn’t approve of your organization. So what? He doesn’t approve of how most of the world’s people conduct their business, including probably 80% of Catholics. Apart from the Church, and a few wackjob conspiracy types, most people today see the masons as a morally neutral, old line respectable if quirky fraternal society. Your only threat these days comes from the general rot of social and civic apathy. On the other hand, if you’re on the devout Catholic side of the fence, why waste your breath. If a mason is non-Catholic, it’s no concern of yours whatsoever. If they are, it’s a matter between that person and God and probably their bishop. You must really have bigger fish to fry.**

A re-post well read.

 

[benidict]

yes the masons are the most devilish group alive!! it was is so terribly evil, when those despicable shriners, pick up my friends daughter and grandaughter, to have the GD treated and transported at no expense for a condition that cannot be cured, but can be treated to provide quality of life. it is so terrible, that they contribute hundreds if not thousands of hours to community service, not to mention money for charities. as far as some of their rituals. i think they are very much mis-understood. many of them having to do with the pope, have nothing to do with the Catholic Church, or christianity in general. it has more to do with re-enacting the injustice done to the knights templar under the pope at that time, and the king of france. im not a mason, and would not join due to the popes decree, and the more luciferian aspects. luciferian tho is a principal in there eyes, not a personality. it means light. if you name your daughter lucy or lucille or your son lucius, its the same meaning. Peace

 

[distracted]

**Originally Posted by kenofken
I don’t get why so many of you spent 40 pages of comments talking past each other on the subject. If you’re a mason, you’re wasting your time trying to defend the group to devout Catholics. The pope decreed it, they believe it. End of story. It has nothing to do with Freemasonry being singled out for special treatment. If the pope declared watching Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood was a sin or decided Mother Theresa was evil after all, those two would be persona non grata in devout Catholic households, no questions asked.

So the pope doesn’t approve of your organization. So what? He doesn’t approve of how most of the world’s people conduct their business, including probably 80% of Catholics. Apart from the Church, and a few wackjob conspiracy types, most people today see the masons as a morally neutral, old line respectable if quirky fraternal society. Your only threat these days comes from the general rot of social and civic apathy. On the other hand, if you’re on the devout Catholic side of the fence, why waste your breath. If a mason is non-Catholic, it’s no concern of yours whatsoever. If they are, it’s a matter between that person and God and probably their bishop. You must really have bigger fish to fry.**

A re-post well read.

it is our business whether someone is being a true Christian or not … we are to evangelize… the Church teaches that if we dont our salvation is in jeapardy

 

[joe_clark]

it is our business whether someone is being a true Christian or not … we are to evangelize… the Church teaches that if we dont our salvation is in jeapardy

When you say “OUR Business”, whom do you speak of and whom has any right to question or interrigate another? Is there any of us who feel we are above it all and or others? How big can an ego be?

You may lead your life as you choose, but you may not decide, force or choose a path for another. That journey is reserved for a party of two, God and you. Think about it. If you truly believe in the Lord, then you have faith and will be blessed in salvation.

 

[John_of_Woking]

Even the oath alone should put one off freemasonry. I wouldn’t put myself under an oath to God and repeat those words.

I met an ex-33 degree mason. He was very scathing about the whole thing. Especially once you get past the 3rd degree. He made a real impression on me. He is now a Christian - praise God