Freemasonry A Evil Group

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John_of_Woking said:
Even the oath alone should put one off freemasonry. I wouldn’t put myself under an oath to God and repeat those words.

I met an ex-33 degree mason. He was very scathing about the whole thing. Especially once you get past the 3rd degree. He made a real impression on me. He is now a Christian - praise God
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Tell me, what in the oath is it that you find so offensive?
 
a 22nd degree Mason founded a religion that claims to be the restoration of the apostatized Church, he declared Jesus to be merely human and not divine and called himself an angel of God

that religion is called Iglesia ni Cristo

their logo is littered with mason symbolism, and the main thrust of their faith is proving that the Catholic Church is wrong
 
choy said:
a 22nd degree Mason founded a religion that claims to be the restoration of the apostatized Church, he declared Jesus to be merely human and not divine and called himself an angel of God

that religion is called Iglesia ni Cristo

their logo is littered with mason symbolism, and the main thrust of their faith is proving that the Catholic Church is wrong
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I can tell you with confidence that it has nothing to do with the Masons. It’s obviously some person who has issues with the Catholic Church and decided on his own, to form his own religion and decided, for whatever reasons to use certain Masonic symbolism.
 
gamewell45 said:
Tell me, what in the oath is it that you find so offensive?
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Hmmmm…

Swearing an oath before Creator of Heaven and Earth and bringing a curse down upon yourself for breaking it…and a none too pleasant one at that. I find it all offensive…but maybe i’m sensitive…

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joe_clark said:
When you say “OUR Business”, whom do you speak of and whom has any right to question or interrigate another? Is there any of us who feel we are above it all and or others? How big can an ego be?

You may lead your life as you choose, but you may not decide, force or choose a path for another. That journey is reserved for a party of two, God and you. Think about it. If you truly believe in the Lord, then you have faith and will be blessed in salvation.
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He’s being humble. His ego is so small he risks the ridicule of many (including you). He hasn’t forced anyone…He has just put the truth out there. Take it or leave it…He is not holding anyone at gunpoint. I would say he is doing it out of pure love.
 
John_of_Woking said:
Hmmmm…

Swearing an oath before Creator of Heaven and Earth and bringing a curse down upon yourself for breaking it…and a none too pleasant one at that. I find it all offensive…but maybe i’m sensitive…

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John,

Thanks for your reply.

Just two questions for clarification purposes; do you consider it to be a difference whether one swears an oath before creator of heaven whether its taking a masonic oath or whether one takes an oath of office, say for example President of the United States or other public office?

I’ve been a Mason for a number or years and i’ve never heard of this so-called “curse” that you reference in your post. There are however, Symbolic penalties that one is made aware of should they violate their Oath. Is that what your referring to?
 
gamewell45 said:
John,

Thanks for your reply.

Just two questions for clarification purposes; do you consider it to be a difference whether one swears an oath before creator of heaven whether its taking a masonic oath or whether one takes an oath of office, say for example President of the United States or other public office?

I’ve been a Mason for a number or years and i’ve never heard of this so-called “curse” that you reference in your post. There are however, Symbolic penalties that one is made aware of should they violate their Oath. Is that what your referring to?
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An oath’s an oath…I would say use it as sparsely as possible in accordance with Holy Writ.

Swearing the masonic oath is a free choice undertaken in the secrecy of a masonic lodge/temple? Saying those words is disturbing enough but with your hands on God’s Holy Book with penalties (symbolic or real) with those words? No siree:eek:

I beleive Oath taking is serious. You refer to its penalites as symbolic but I beleive the masonic oath is an insult to God. I know those are strong words but its what I beleive.

Oath:

., pl., oaths (ōTHz, ōths).
    1. A solemn, formal declaration or promise to fulfill a pledge, often calling on God, a god, or a sacred object as witness.
    2. The words or formula of such a declaration or promise.
    3. Something declared or promised.
    4. An irreverent or blasphemous use of the name of God or something held sacred.
    5. An imprecation; a curse.
    I wish you Peace and I pray that the Holy Spirit may enlighten us in our journeys.
 
John_of_Woking said:
An oath’s an oath…I would say use it as sparsely as possible in accordance with Holy Writ.

Swearing the masonic oath is a free choice undertaken in the secrecy of a masonic lodge/temple? Saying those words is disturbing enough but with your hands on God’s Holy Book with penalties (symbolic or real) with those words? No siree:eek:

I beleive Oath taking is serious. You refer to its penalites as symbolic but I beleive the masonic oath is an insult to God. I know those are strong words but its what I beleive.

Oath:

., pl., oaths (ōTHz, ōths).
    1. A solemn, formal declaration or promise to fulfill a pledge, often calling on God, a god, or a sacred object as witness.
    2. The words or formula of such a declaration or promise.
    3. Something declared or promised.
    4. An irreverent or blasphemous use of the name of God or something held sacred.
    5. An imprecation; a curse.
    I wish you Peace and I pray that the Holy Spirit may enlighten us in our journeys.
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  • John,

    Thanks for your speedy response; It made it a lot easier for me to understand your position on the matter.
 
I describe an organization below. Can you identify what organization it is?

It is an all male organization.
It is an organization that welcomes all faiths.
It is an organization that claims to build the moral character of its members.
At their meetings, all members, regardless of their faith affiliation, pray to God.
They take oaths invoking the name of God.

Any guesses?
 
John_of_Woking said:
Even the oath alone should put one off freemasonry. I wouldn’t put myself under an oath to God and repeat those words.

I met an ex-33 degree mason. He was very scathing about the whole thing. Especially once you get past the 3rd degree. He made a real impression on me. He is now a Christian - praise God
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did he have any proof he was a 33rd degree mason? that is rare, by my understanding. its a very chosen few. would a mason please correct me if im wrong? peace 🙂
 
rickypaul said:
I describe an organization below. Can you identify what organization it is?

It is an all male organization. .
It is an organization that welcomes all faiths.
It is an organization that claims to build the moral character of its members.
At their meetings, all members, regardless of their faith affiliation, pray to God.
They take oaths invoking the name of God.

Any guesses?
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I don’ t know who you mean?! 😃
Hmmm…I’m not sure I’d want to be part of an organisation that welcomes all faiths. I mean there are some pretty disturbing faiths out there…not least satanism etc. The best way to build virtue effectively is in an organisation that has supernatural grace ministered through the sacraments. Also what god is this organisation praying to? Is it The Triune God? Father, Son and Holy Ghost or is their ‘god’ someone else :eek:
 
rickypaul said:
I describe an organization below. Can you identify what organization it is?

It is an all male organization.
It is an organization that welcomes all faiths.
It is an organization that claims to build the moral character of its members.
At their meetings, all members, regardless of their faith affiliation, pray to God.
They take oaths invoking the name of God.

Any guesses?
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hmmmm. could it be the Masons?👍
 
It applies to the masons, bu also another organization. This other organizations does these for which the church condems feemasonry yet it’s not condemned by the Church.
 
rickypaul said:
It applies to the masons, bu also another organization. This other organizations does these for which the church condems feemasonry yet it’s not condemned by the Church.
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now i am very curious. :confused: is it an organiztion within Catholocism? 🙂
 
No. Its a secular organization. Its called the Boy Scouts of America.
 
John_of_Woking said:
Oh ok the Boy Scouts. Never liked the scouts anyway always knew something was up with them 😉
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lol! i would have gotten it wrong! nice job. are you familiar with the 33rd degree in masonry, and what would be the likelyhood that someone would quit after having had it bestowed on them. its my understanding its very difficult to get, and that there are not to many of them. is this correct? whoops sorry jon. i ment to post this to rickypaul. my bad :o peace 🙂
 
rickypaul said:
It applies to the masons, bu also another organization. This other organizations does these for which the church condems feemasonry yet it’s not condemned by the Church.
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There is a world of difference between the masonic oath and the boy scouts oath. Nor do they have altars in their temples…sorry scout huts, Not that i particularly like the scout movement 😃

The Church condemns Freemasonry for good reason. Lets be obedient to Holy Mother church and respect her opinions on freemasonry
 
rickypaul said:
I describe an organization below. Can you identify what organization it is?

It is an all male organization.
It is an organization that welcomes all faiths.
It is an organization that claims to build the moral character of its members.
At their meetings, all members, regardless of their faith affiliation, pray to God.
They take oaths invoking the name of God.

Any guesses?
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Differences being:

Boy Scouts do not take secret blood oaths
Boy Scouts refer to “God” as “God” in the Scout Oath, not the “Great Architect”, etc.
Boy Scouts do not instill Deistic world views.
 
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