Freemasons and the Church

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lilpitkain, Official church teaching forbids Catholics from being freemasons. If you do not believe this and are so confident that it is not an issue, please tell your Bishop that you are a Freemanson and let us know what he tells you. While you’re at it, be sure to mention that your priest is aware of your involvement with the Freemasons but hasn’t done anything about it. I’m sure that he’ll have a few things to say to your priest as well.
 
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slinky1882:
Hey, interesting quote. Does anyone know of the background on Fraternities with any secret societies??? Plus alot of fraternities have there own problem with immorality. The group pressure can be risky. Thanks and God Bless.
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My husband was the vice president of his fraternity in college. I was a “sweet heart” which meant he gave me letters and a pin. When he joined it was a new fraternity on campus at a catholic college, it had a catholic priest “chaplain” who was an advisor of sorts.

He joined a fantastic group of young men with very good intentions. Unfortunately a few of the pledges who were inducted in while he was the VP had less than stellar moral character. One of them was very strange and known for his creepy overtly sexual behavior toward young women at parties. When two of my friends complained about him doing some inappropriate things while dancing at a party (he was trying to put his hands under their cloting) My (at the time boyfriend) tried to have him removed, he threatened to leave the fraternity, rather than risk his own reputation by being associated with an organization that would allow this kind of behavior. We both met with the guy, the priest and the guy’s “big brother” to discuss the matter and in teh end the priest and everyone else had the attitude of “He is our brother and we must support him… la de da…” Then the harassment began. Members tried to break into his room at eh frat house, they threatened me, I woudl walk into places on campus where brothers happened to be and they would glare at me and threaten me, they destroyed property, My husband had to go into police protection and they had to put him in the practically abandoned floor of a women’s dorm next to the stairway so he could slip in and out unnoticed for his own safety just to finish the last few weeks of his junior year, after that he joined the military. They even threatened to sue him for his last year of dues, even though he was not a member because they claimed he couldn’t leave as though he was under contract to pay them. Very bad news, they even tried to report him to credit agencies, but it wasn’t legal.I had to leave the college because of how horribly I was treated by the “brothers” they wanted me to break up with him. I lost all my girlfriends because I had introduced them to the brothers and so they were all socially intermingled with them. It was horrible and became dangerous. It’s like paying someone to be a friend and call you “brother” I would not recommend “Greek Life” to anyone, sorry I saw the worst of it. I had some really good friends whom I lost because they couldn’t leave the fraternity. They apologized but had to stay loyal to the fraternity.
 
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Peace-bwu:
My husband was the vice president of his fraternity in college. I was a “sweet heart” which meant he gave me letters and a pin. When he joined it was a new fraternity on campus at a catholic college, it had a catholic priest “chaplain” who was an advisor of sorts.

He joined a fantastic group of young men with very good intentions. Unfortunately a few of the pledges who were inducted in while he was the VP had less than stellar moral character. One of them was very strange and known for his creepy overtly sexual behavior toward young women at parties. When two of my friends complained about him doing some inappropriate things while dancing at a party (he was trying to put his hands under their cloting) My (at the time boyfriend) tried to have him removed, he threatened to leave the fraternity, rather than risk his own reputation by being associated with an organization that would allow this kind of behavior. We both met with the guy, the priest and the guy’s “big brother” to discuss the matter and in teh end the priest and everyone else had the attitude of “He is our brother and we must support him… la de da…” Then the harassment began. Members tried to break into his room at eh frat house, they threatened me, I woudl walk into places on campus where brothers happened to be and they would glare at me and threaten me, they destroyed property, My husband had to go into police protection and they had to put him in the practically abandoned floor of a women’s dorm next to the stairway so he could slip in and out unnoticed for his own safety just to finish the last few weeks of his junior year, after that he joined the military. They even threatened to sue him for his last year of dues, even though he was not a member because they claimed he couldn’t leave as though he was under contract to pay them. Very bad news, they even tried to report him to credit agencies, but it wasn’t legal.I had to leave the college because of how horribly I was treated by the “brothers” they wanted me to break up with him. I lost all my girlfriends because I had introduced them to the brothers and so they were all socially intermingled with them. It was horrible and became dangerous. It’s like paying someone to be a friend and call you “brother” I would not recommend “Greek Life” to anyone, sorry I saw the worst of it. I had some really good friends whom I lost because they couldn’t leave the fraternity. They apologized but had to stay loyal to the fraternity.
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Hey Peace-bwu,
I am sorry to hear what happened with you and your husband. And I personally don’t advocate for Greek Life on most public campuses due to the immorality around them. I am still in college, but have been approached before. I personally believe that Catholic universities should take up a household approach. Thanks and God Bless.
 
I noticed something a few weeks ago at my daughter’s soccer game… her league has a Mason sponsored team.The back of their shirts say “MASONS” if the league ever placed her on that team I would have her removed and demand my money back unless they put her on another team. I wonder how many Catholic kids are on that team and their parents just dont know any better.
 
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EddieArent:
Groups like National Honor Society which I guess is mostly in High Schools I don’t think is Masonic since some Catholic schools have chapters. They aren’t really secretive I guess given the fact that the members names are published, meetings are announced at a public place, etc.

Regarding the college fraternities, most of them probably have Masonic origins. Or at the very least, are breading grounds for them. The immorality is true. One fraternity at my school was forced to shut down after drug, alcohol, and a suicide of a member.
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Hey EddieArent,
At the public university I am taking courses through, all the sororities and fraternities were kicked off campus the year before I arrived. Granted this school is in the Bible Belt, but campus crime and drug/alcohol related incidents dropped way off.🙂 I admired the school for sticking its neck out and making the campus safer. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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slinky1882:
Hey Peace-bwu,
I am sorry to hear what happened with you and your husband. And I personally don’t advocate for Greek Life on most public campuses due to the immorality around them. I am still in college, but have been approached before. I personally believe that Catholic universities should take up a household approach. Thanks and God Bless.
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Thanks, the college was big into not allowing freshmen to pledge during their first semester, not allowing hazing (though it went on in other fraternities) and they had Catholic chaplains for all recognized fraternities…Fraternities could only use houses owned by the college. alot of good that did!

Alot of other immoral things went on in general… credit card fraud, thieft, as well as the usual debauchery. I never joined a sorority, it just didnt’ appeal to me, but had fun being a sweetheart for a very short time. It was fun to have parties to go to every weekend, although I usually hung out in my husbands room with our close friends. We were never involved in any serious immoral behavior, but it went on. He became VP because he thought he could make a change for the better. He regrets ever joining, it eventually hurt his grades the last crazy semester he was there.I am just glad he didn’t get that tatoo of greek letters he was thinking about getting on his calf, he is too.
 
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lilpitkain:
And like i said. My priest was fully aware that i was in the Masonic lodge when i decided to be Catholic. Are you calling him wrong? Are you saying he has no idea what the rules say when it comes to this?? You show me in the Catechism where it says this. Please… I don’t serve 2 masters. My 1 master is Jesus Christ. The masons are about Charity. I have no Master there. As i have said before and this will be my final reply. You all have the Masons wrong. You wanna go by the he said she said rule. You have no idea what we stand for,where we come from…or what we are all about. And if you can find it where it says Masons are not allowed in the church ill give you my priest phone number. I trust his word on this subject more than anybody on here. I dont’ mean this rude but many replies on here have been shallow and obviously no knowledge of the subject. As i said. Show me. And if i am wrong. You may call my perish,and i will back out of the Church,
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My husband is a Mason and Catholic. My dad is also a Mason. Over 30 years ago, my mom spoke with her priest about joining one of the Masonic fraternities. He said there was no problem. Over the last few years, my husband and I have talked to various priests and seminarians about the Masons. They all have told us that it’s okay to be a Mason and a Catholic. Isn’t it interesting how some people seem to think they know more about the issue than priests and seminarians who have gone to many years of schooling and are definately more educated on what the Catholic church says is okay. And I’m not just refering to one priest. I’m talking about at least five. They have all said there is no conflict.
 
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UtahMaggie:
Isn’t it interesting how some people seem to think they know more about the issue than priests and seminarians who have gone to many years of schooling and are definately more educated on what the Catholic church says is okay.
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Isn’t it interesting that some priests and seminarians think they know more than the Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith? Isn’t it interesting that some priests and seminarians think they know more than the Holy Father? If we look hard enough, we can find a number of people willing to confirm us in our beliefs, no matter how at variance they are with Catholic teaching.

Then Cardinal Ratzinger clarified that the updated Code of Canon Law still applied the sanction of excommunication to those who join Masonic lodges. That is that.
 
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KBarn:
Isn’t it interesting that some priests and seminarians think they know more than the Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith? Isn’t it interesting that some priests and seminarians think they know more than the Holy Father? If we look hard enough, we can find a number of people willing to confirm us in our beliefs, no matter how at variance they are with Catholic teaching.

Then Cardinal Ratzinger clarified that the updated Code of Canon Law still applied the sanction of excommunication to those who join Masonic lodges. That is that.
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The Holy Father sure has his work cut out for him doesn’t he. Either a lot of priests have been not been correctly spiritually formed or they are really disobedient. … Personally I think they are just spineless and too lazy or perhaps too busy to look these things up.
I’m praying for the Holy Spirit to work throught the Holy Father…
 
An interesting thread.

I was a Freemason for several years, and learned that what the order teaches ends up placing it in a superior position than the Church. For any practicing Mason, the following:

Can you deny that God the Father is never named in the Lodge?
Can you deny that Jesus Christ is never named in the Lodge?
Can you deny that the Holy Spirit is never named in the Lodge?

By leaving out the Persons of God, we make Him impersonal, in direct opposition to the teachings of the Bible and the Church. (Yes, I know that sections of the Bible are quoted during ritual, at least in the US.)

There’s much more that put the teachings of the A.F. & A.M. Lodges at odds with the Church.

I’ve not said that they’re made up of bad people. The fact is, much good work has been done by these organizations. But nowhere has it been done in the name of the Lord. It has always been done in the name of Freemasonry and their affiliated organizations.

Now before anyone gets all angy and feels they’ve been attacked, ask yourself, “Why is that?” to the facts mentioned above.

I have not been a Mason for 25 years and with good reason, I think. Please read on.

I am a Knight of Columbus and I can assure that the pledges of a Knight do not contain any of the heinous punishments that the Masonic oaths do. Think about it. Would Jesus Christ take any of the oaths of the first three degrees? If He wouldn’t, should we, as followers of His take such oaths?

I sincerely hope this will help those who are already commited to the Masonic Fraternity to re-think what might be going on, and why the Church has an official position prohibiting membership there. The Knights of Columbus has an even more extensive program and record of service to communities than Freemasonry and a very Christ-centered fellowship as well.

So then, why wouldn’t a sincere Catholic man looking for fraternal involvement want to be aligned with the Knights and what need would he have for some other organization?

I’ve tried to be respectful of the persons and their viewpoints who are members of the Masonic Order. If I’ve failed in that effort, I’ll apologize now. Thanks for your patience in reading this.

FWIW :bible1: :twocents: 👋
 
miguel delgado:
you better stay the hell away from masons my greatgrandfather wsa 33th degree mason and it was forbidden to have a christian burial and of course ITS AGAINST THE CC TO BE IN ANY SECRET SOCIATY
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This is very good advice, take it!
Even if i am a protestant myself,
many protestants have learnt their mistakes too late in this movement.
It’s evil because Christ isn’t the head and it’s a perversion of the early church, yes there were many bishops, no, nobody but Jesus Christ was the head.
And it lies to the lower orders to get them in.
Oh sorry, it doesn’t tell the complete truth, just a conveniant part of it to the lower orders.
Whether that’s lying i’ll let you decide.
 
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JackPaul:
When I was small, I remember my Grandfather was very into the Freemasons organization and I had a couple of uncles that were
Shriners. I was always intrigued by this secret society, but never really aware of what they were all about. With little question, the Mason’s and Shriners have done great things in building children’s hospitals and the like. But, when I look up these groups on the Internet - I run into a lot of negative stuff. Some sites claim that these organizations are satanic. My mother used to tell me that Catholics would never be a part of these organization’s (I am not convinced that she really knew anything). Anyone have an informed opinion on this?
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I’m sure she knew something, though a freemason isn’t even supposed to talk with his wife about what goes on.
Still, your grandmother would have noticed that at least!
 
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lilpitkain:
First off let me start off by saying I am a freemason and i am catholic. I am very pround of both. Please do not tell people to go here or go there and read about the free masons. If you wanna know…ask one. All i heard growing up was how bad the Catholic church was. And look now…Im one of the most active members in the church and a huge supporter of the church. We do not worship the devil. we are not evil. Many Masons are catholic. People get mad for saying things bout the catholic church that are not true,so why go off on the masons when you know NOTHING about them. Please respect everybody till u know the truth. God bless.
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You know if your a mason you incur an automatic excommunication from the Church.
 
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First off let me start off by saying I am a freemason and i am catholic. I am very pround of both. Please do not tell people to go here or go there and read about the free masons. If you wanna know…ask one. All i heard growing up was how bad the Catholic church was. And look now…Im one of the most active members in the church and a huge supporter of the church. We do not worship the devil. we are not evil. Many Masons are catholic. People get mad for saying things bout the catholic church that are not true,so why go off on the masons when you know NOTHING about them. Please respect everybody till u know the truth. God bless.
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I thought you took a vow of secrecy and that you don’t learn everything until you get to the top. I would trust the church on this matter, The modern Church doesn’t go around condemning organizations unless they go against Church teaching. By being in the Masons you are not in full communion with the Catholic Church. The Knights of Columbus is in full Communion with the Church, why risk it? I guess I trust the Church on everything else because I have seen the Truth in it, so why not trust the Church on this matter. I’m not going to go around bashing the Masons, but if the Catholic Church has such a stong disagreement with the organization, I am going to stay away.
 
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Seatuck:
The Holy Father sure has his work cut out for him doesn’t he. Either a lot of priests have been not been correctly spiritually formed or they are really disobedient. … Personally I think they are just spineless and too lazy or perhaps too busy to look these things up.
I’m praying for the Holy Spirit to work throught the Holy Father…
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I agree, I don’t doubt that there may be some priest’s who go against the Vatican when it comes to the Masons, After all, far too many gave Pro-abortion Catholic politicians Communion, directly against then- Cardinal Ratzinger’s letter to the Biships.
 
I was told that Jesus Christ was never to be mentioned in any of the Masonic rites. God must be ackowledged as a higher power, but not specified.

It sounds a little scary to me, that this person would leave Christ in the Church before he would break his vows to the brotherhood.

That speaks volumes about what the masons are really about. How could a priest ever make those promises? I have been told by a neighbor who just happens to be an ex and vehemently anti-catholic-and a mason-that our diocese has a priest who is a member.

I would like some of the posters who are masons to address whether it would be acceptable to pray to Jesus Christ in any of their rituals.
 
Dr. Colossus:
Found this on the Envoy Magazine (excellent Catholic apologetic magazine, btw):
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in this answer no proof is given about “historically one of the aims is destroying of the catholic church”

that is not so very easy to prove

in any case you have to restrict to freemasonry after 1717
before freemasonry was rahter common, maybe also used by catholics, fi pretenders of the throne of james in france

bishops of germany did a thorough and openminded investigiation before 2000

very much upsetting the the freemasons cooperating in this, they came very objectively and, as it were searching themselves, to the conclusion that catholicism and freemasonry were incompatible
not so much on historical grounds, but considering the fundamentals of both

of course for whom knows all the encycl tous les encycliques that deal with the subject it is no surprise, but in those days there was a lot of confusion

my cousin, who had become a freemason, showed for example a letter of his bishop giving him free way
 
Isn’t it weird to see all this division in this thread between the Catholics who are Masons and the Catholics who are not? Something that brings divisions is not of God… Avoid the Masons at all costs. If you are a Mason and a Catholic, you are not in full communion with Rome.
 
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UtahMaggie:
My husband is a Mason and Catholic. My dad is also a Mason. Over 30 years ago, my mom spoke with her priest about joining one of the Masonic fraternities. He said there was no problem. Over the last few years, my husband and I have talked to various priests and seminarians about the Masons. They all have told us that it’s okay to be a Mason and a Catholic. Isn’t it interesting how some people seem to think they know more about the issue than priests and seminarians who have gone to many years of schooling and are definately more educated on what the Catholic church says is okay. And I’m not just refering to one priest. I’m talking about at least five. They have all said there is no conflict.
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can we get the names of these priest and the diocese they are from. I am sure their bishop would love to be enlightened by their view of church teaching on this.:eek:
 
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