French church attacked during Mass, priest murdered [CC]

[Wampa]

Only 5 people attended mass? Even our 6:30 AM mass has more.

I can across this explanation: “Attendance was sparse at the 9 a.m. Mass on Tuesday at the Église St.-Étienne, a 17th-century church in a working-class town in Normandy. Many regular parishioners were on vacation; so was the parish priest.”

 

[Michael_Mayo]

This seems so medieval, a martyr at the hands of the “Saracens”.

 

[GEddie]

This seems so medieval, a martyr at the hands of the “Saracens”.

The more things change, the more it ultimately turns out they stay the same.

Our postmodern infatuation with “diversity” has deceived us into denying that oneness of culture and belief are needed to hold people together.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Geist]

The “religion of peace” strikes again.

You Europeans needs to solve this. Now.

 

[Geist]

This seems so medieval, a martyr at the hands of the “Saracens”.

This is what liberals mean when they talk about “progress” and “inclusion”.

The 11th century.

 

[meltzerboy]

The more things change, the more it ultimately turns out they stay the same.

Our postmodern infatuation with “diversity” has deceived us into denying that oneness of culture and belief are needed to hold people together.

ICXC NIKA

“Oneness of culture and belief” sounds too boring to me. I think mutual respect, appreciation and knowledge of diverse cultures is key to peace.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

The more things change, the more it ultimately turns out they stay the same.

Our postmodern infatuation with “diversity” has deceived us into denying that oneness of culture and belief are needed to hold people together.

ICXC NIKA

But that is the intention of the terrorists: oneness of culture and belief - theirs.

 

[GEddie]

Too much diversity and you don’t have “a people” anymore, just square mileage held by disparate groups.

Which is what the Atlantic nations are faced with.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Michael_Mayo]

This is what liberals mean when they talk about “progress” and “inclusion”.

The 11th century.

I don’t think liberals are the root cause of terrorism.

 

[Vouthon]

I have to give Daesh credit where credit is due, it’s a devious strategy. Attack an institution, in this case the Catholic Church, who while largely abandoned by the people is still a part of their cultural fabric. And whose being attacked will incur maximum outrage and backlash against non-radical Muslims thus increasing the number of non-radical Muslims who will be susceptible to radicalization. Wash, rinse, repeat, potentially exponentially. And it has the added benefit to playing right into Daesh’s own end of the world fantasy that “Rome” (read Catholic Church as the largest of the Christian Churches) will eventually bring “its armies” (meaning nominally “Christian” countries) against them in their Armageddon scenario at Dabiq.

Excellent post - a self fulfilling prophecy, indeed.

This has been a common theme with millenarian movements throughout history. There is a belief that the long awaited "utopia’ can only be reached by utterly destroying the old temporal order, cleansing it through fire and blood in preparation of the new world, for which reason many radical millennial movements have deliberately pursued anarchy and violence in order to fulfil this prophetic dictum.

ISIS is the most violent millennial movement I think we’ve ever seen but it exhibits traits in common with its milder predecessors, such as the Fifth Monarchy Men in England:

bcw-project.org/church-and-state/sects-and-factions/fifth-monarchists

**The Fifth Monarchists

The “Fifth Monarchy” or “Fifth Kingdom” refers to an interpretation of prophecies in the biblical books of Daniel and Revelation. Four kingdoms or eras in history (interpreted as the Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman empires) would be followed by the Fifth Kingdom, which signified the Millennium, the thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth. The Millennium would last from Christ’s second coming until the day of judgment.

Millenarian beliefs became increasingly prevalent throughout the civil wars of the 1640s. While many believed that the second coming would be a spiritual revelation, the Fifth Monarchists expected a physical return in which Jesus would reign as king. It would be preceded by the establishment of a godly government on earth (the “Rule of the Saints”). For the Saints to prevail, the old order should be overthrown, by violence if necessary. Fifth Monarchists regarded the civil wars and the beheading of King Charles I in 1649 as a vital prelude to the Millennium**…

Influenced by Major-General Harrison, the Assembly was constituted in a way broadly similar to the Sanhedrin of the Old Testament. Several of the delegates were from Fifth Monarchist congregations and regarded the Assembly as an indication that the Rule of the Saints had begun. The Anglo-Dutch War (1652-4) was seen as a continuation of the process that had started with the civil wars. The Fifth Monarchists expected the war eventually to engulf the whole of Europe until Rome itself had fallen and the Pope, whom they identified with the Antichrist, was overthrown…

For good reason does Holy Mother Church warn us to be wary of “political messianism” equating it with the ‘spirit of antichrist’:

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a7.htm

676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578

 

[meltzerboy]

Too much diversity and you don’t have “a people” anymore, just square mileage held by disparate groups.

Which is what the Atlantic nations are faced with.

ICXC NIKA

How about one overarching and unifying culture and diverse subcultures? In the case of the U.S., that is what we seem to have, and look how peaceful we are. Oops! Never mind. But my point remains regarding mutual respect and awareness.

 

[Padres1969]

Too much diversity and you don’t have “a people” anymore, just square mileage held by disparate groups.

Which is what the Atlantic nations are faced with.

ICXC NIKA

Well I mean that idea shouldn’t be too foreign to Americans. We have always been diverse and have never really had “a people” in the sense that most other nations do.

 

[GEddie]

How about one overarching and unifying culture and diverse subcultures? In the case of the U.S., that is what we seem to have, and look how peaceful we are. Oops! Never mind. But my point remains regarding mutual respect and awareness.

We **were **more pacific in the 1900s, before we became too diverse.

Having separate ethnic neighborhoods in big cities is great. Having ever-increasing contingents that reject assimilation is not.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Tomdstone]

We **were **more pacific in the 1900s, before we became too diverse.

Having separate ethnic neighborhoods in big cities is great. Having ever-increasing contingents that reject assimilation is not.

ICXC NIKA

In some eastern states there were neighborhoods of Irish, neighborhoods of Italians, neighborhoods of Jews, neighborhoods of Polish, neighborhoods of African Americans, etc.

 

[Geist]

I don’t think liberals are the root cause of terrorism.

Open borders are a major contributor of it, as is a culture of political correctness that prevents the majority from handling it.

 

[Beautiful]

Well the percentage of the US population that is Muslim has more than doubled in the same period so that actually makes sense. It went from .4% of the population to .9% of the population are now Muslim.

And the current number is expected to more than double by 2050.

Most of the newly built USA mosques are Saudi funded. Christians are allowed to travel to Saudi Arabia but can’t worship openly and are confined to private homes rather than Christian Churches - no Christian churches allowed.

 

[Darryl1958]

Funny that nobody saw any of this coming.

 

[estesbob]

And the current number is expected to more than double by 2050.

Most of the newly built USA mosques are Saudi funded. Christians are allowed to travel to Saudi Arabia but can’t worship openly and are confined to private homes rather than Christian Churches - no Christian churches allowed.

This is true. I had a Mosque client in Texas that was overnight bought out by a Saudi “charity” and expanded significantly. You may have heard of this mosque because when it was first built its neighbor began having pig races on his land during Friday prayer services . My clients thought it was absolutely hilarious

 

[mlz]

As Tertullian would say and we pray “that the blood of the martyrs are the seed of Christians”. May our dear priest brother pray for us all as he was a martyr for the Christian faith.
mlz

 

[Dwyer]

As Mr. Sanders was saying last night at the DNC, and this is the way it sounded to my ears in his broad Brooklyn accent:

While Donald Trump is busy insulting one group after another, Hillary Clinton understands that our DIE-versity is one of our greatest strengths. Yes. We become stronger when black and white, Latino, Asian-American, Native American – all of us – stand together. Yes. We become stronger when men and women, young and old, gay and straight, native born and immigrant fight to create the kind of country we all know we can become.

      :rolleyes:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/text-of-bernie-sanders-speech-to-the-democratic-convention-2016-07-25