From Kingdom of Evil to Kingdom of God.

[dolphinlove]

If I would die now, and God asks me what was my religion, I would tell him:

I beg your mercy and forgiveness Almighty The Most High God, I’ve been on the religion of my ancestors all my life till my soul have heard the words of Jesus, my soul reacted with massive tears to his words and a heavenly joy flowed through me, that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion, whatever I read in the Bible it sounds heavenly, and that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion book, whenever I hear Jesus teaching, they sound peacefully, heavenly, and irresistible, but that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion teaching, Almighty The Most High God, that was my limitations, I had no tangible proof of knowing which book was right or wrong, I let my soul guides me, therefore, if you think I have done a mistake, then again I beg your mercy and forgiveness.

Now you know what it means when they say ‘leap of faith’

 

[Sister_Amy]

If I would die now, and God asks me what was my religion, I would tell him:

I beg your mercy and forgiveness Almighty The Most High God, I’ve been on the religion of my ancestors all my life till my soul have heard the words of Jesus, my soul reacted with massive tears to his words and a heavenly joy flowed through me, that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion, whatever I read in the Bible it sounds heavenly, and that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion book, whenever I hear Jesus teaching, they sound peacefully, heavenly, and irresistible, but that wasn’t the case with my ancestors’ religion teaching, Almighty The Most High God, that was my limitations, I had no tangible proof of knowing which book was right or wrong, I let my soul guides me, therefore, if you think I have done a mistake, then again I beg your mercy and forgiveness.

I’m afraid I’m a little obtuse today, and I don’t understand this at all.

Suppose you die, and you are visited by angels who ask you three questions:

1. Who is your Lord?
   Are you going to say, Allah? Or are you going to say Jesus? Or are you going to say that you just couldn’t figure it out?
2. Who is your prophet?
   Are you going to say Muhammad? Or Jesus? Or that you don’t have one? Or that you just couldn’t figure it out?
3. What was your deen?
   Will you say Islam? Or Christianity? Or the way of your nafs? Or will you say that you just couldn’t figure it out?

Do you really think that God Almighty in all His Mercy would leave you to flounder around, and not provide you with guidance to the Correct Path?

 

[A_dollars_worth]

I’m afraid I’m a little obtuse today, and I don’t understand this at all.

Hi, we all have bad days.

Suppose you die, and you are visited by angels who ask you three questions:

Is that a Muslim belief that angels ask these questions?

1. Who is your Lord?
   Are you going to say, Allah? Or are you going to say Jesus? Or are you going to say that you just couldn’t figure it out?

John 10:30
" I and the Father are one."
Jesus says things like that a lot. Have you read the Gospel of John?

What if the angels tell you are were wrong about Jesus and Catholics were rigth? Have you ever considered that?

 

[swariffin]

I’m afraid I’m a little obtuse today, and I don’t understand this at all.

Suppose you die, and you are visited by angels who ask you three questions:

1. Who is your Lord?
   Are you going to say, Allah? Or are you going to say Jesus? Or are you going to say that you just couldn’t figure it out?
2. Who is your prophet?
   Are you going to say Muhammad? Or Jesus? Or that you don’t have one? Or that you just couldn’t figure it out?
3. What was your deen?
   Will you say Islam? Or Christianity? Or the way of your nafs? Or will you say that you just couldn’t figure it out?

Do you really think that God Almighty in all His Mercy would leave you to flounder around, and not provide you with guidance to the Correct Path?

Dear Sister Amy,

How are you so sure that the angel of God will ask such questions. Have you ever been dead, asked such questions, but being lucky that the angel kicked you back to this world to be alive again? Why should the angels ask such questions anyway since He already knows the answers. Do you think the angels do not know how people behave in the world when he/she still living? Or perhaps, by asking such questions, do you think the people can still deceive the angels by giving false answers? Perhaps you can tell these questions to children, so they are scared away and becoming diligence in praying. That kind of questioning is an insult to the angels, don’t you know?

 

[Steven_John]

. Do you think the angels do not know how people behave in the world when he/she still living?

Good post, valid question.

May God bless you and yours

I will be who I will be

 

[Sam_777]

Is that a Muslim belief that angels ask these questions?

Yes indeed, its in our Islamic religion::doh2:

Q 9: Who are Munkir Nakeer?
A. When people leave the graveyard after having buried the dead, he hears the sound of their steps and then two angels who are called “Munkir” and “Nakeer” enter the grave cleaving through the earth with their big teeth. They have dreadful appearance i.e. cauldron-like burning eyes and the whole body (from the head to the toe) covered with big hairs. :bigyikes:They ask the dead in stern rebuke to sit and harshly question him.

Q10: What questions do Munkir & Nakeer ask of the dead?
A. 1st question: “Mar-Rabbuka” (Who is your Creator)?
2nd question: “Maa Deenuka” (What is your faith)?
3rd question: Pointing towards the Holy Prophet Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa (may Allah’s choicest blessings & peace be upon him), they ask: “Maa Kunta Taqoolu Fee Haazar Rajul” (What did you use to say about him)?
(E) (A).

Suppose you die, and you are visited by angels who ask you three questions:

Supposedly that really happens, I will answer them in English NOT Arabic, as follows:

If they really would look like that horrible description, then I would say to them:
“BY THE NAME OF GOD THE MOST HIGH, LORD JESUS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT” GO AWAY FROM ME YOU DEMONS.

But if beautiful angels would ask me in a peaceful way then I would say:

1. Who is your Lord?

God The Most High.

1. Who is your prophet?

I have no prophet.

1. What was your deen?

My soul religion is Lord Jesus love & kingdom.
My flesh religion is my ancestors’ religion.

Do you really think that God Almighty in all His Mercy would leave you to flounder around, and not provide you with guidance to the Correct Path?

Actually, I’m praying to God The Most High to show my the true path, because I’m really in a big dilemma between my soul & flesh.

 

[Steven_John]

Actually, I’m praying to God The Most High to show my the true path, because I’m really in a big dilemma between my soul & flesh.

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

do as you are guided, this is the will of The Most High.

you are not compulsed to follow me,

Peace is with me and I offer it to you
I will be who I will be

 

[AgnosTheist]

Suppose you die, and you are visited by angels who ask you three questions:

1. Who is your Lord?
   Are you going to say, Allah? Or are you going to say Jesus? Or are you going to say that you just couldn’t figure it out?

whoever that holds the highest authority. when i was alive it was the government. sometimes, my wife.

1. Who is your prophet?
   Are you going to say Muhammad? Or Jesus? Or that you don’t have one? Or that you just couldn’t figure it out?

nobody.

1. What was your deen?
   Will you say Islam? Or Christianity? Or the way of your nafs? Or will you say that you just couldn’t figure it out?

The Golden Rule.

Do you really think that God Almighty in all His Mercy would leave you to flounder around, and not provide you with guidance to the Correct Path?

Sure, why not.

 

[Brian_Millar]

Sam_777

You picked an interesting screen name, I’ve heard the numbers 777 are referencing God within them.

I am a little skeptical about your intentions as stated from some early posters, your story just seems too good to be true, if this is unfounded, forgive me, if it is not, woe to you for creating this thread.

I’ll assume you are telling the truth. You already answered the direction you are going from the title of the thread, calling the kingdom you were raised to believe in evil, then to explain how you are clearly pro bible and anti Quran. Again, assuming you are telling the truth here, you are only going through the motions with your current claimed religion, you know in your heart that the bible is the word of God, and that it is the final authority, and that you know Jesus was the son of God and that he died for your sins.

It is couragous to post this as a testiment to other Muslems, showing clearly that it is quite possible to convert in spite of the harsh penalties you may endure. I would move out of that country ASAP, and develop your faith in Christianity in a country that allows you to do so without fear of reprisal.

I agree with you on the tribes having bias against each other, a house divided cannot stand, it will always fall, and this has gone on in the muslem world from the beginning from what I can tell. We also face the same things between Catholics and protestants. It is when we all can show tolerance, that is when we can be true to ourselves and to each other.

Along the Holy Spirit, indeed, nobody here can determin if he resides in you, not all that claim to be Christian have an understanding in this area from personal experience, I just happen to be one that does so can help with finding discernment in those regards for you, should you want to look into that area more. For now though, I’ll simply give you my prayers and hope you continue along your current path. You have found the road that leads to salvation, stay on it and know you have been called, ask to be chosen and believe in what Christ taught and his promise to you.

Peace Brother.

 

[Sam_777]

I am a little skeptical about your intentions as stated from some early posters, your story just seems too good to be true, if this is unfounded, forgive me, if it is not, woe to you for creating this thread.

I agree, woe & curse on me if I’m not telling the truth.

you are only going through the motions with your current claimed religion, you know in your heart that the bible is the word of God, and that it is the final authority, and that you know Jesus was the son of God and that he died for your sins.

Yes, my soul fully believes that the Bible is the word of God, but the problem is with my flesh, which keeps resisting and wants me to stay with my ancestors’ religion.

It is couragous to post this as a testiment to other Muslems, showing clearly that it is quite possible to convert in spite of the harsh penalties you may endure.

Satan rebelled against God The Most High, why wouldn’t a human being rebel against the stink of Satan!

I would move out of that country ASAP, and develop your faith in Christianity in a country that allows you to do so without fear of reprisal.

Leaving Saudi Arabia for the time being is quite difficult for me, however, I’m praying to God The Most High to determine my destiny, let his will be done not mine.

I agree with you on the tribes having bias against each other, a house divided cannot stand, it will always fall, and this has gone on in the muslem world from the beginning from what I can tell.

I agree, a simple example of that would be how the European nations have united themselves even they are secular countries, yet the Islamic countries which claim they have a holy-book couldn’t do that even after 1400 years of Islam.

I’ll simply give you my prayers and hope you continue along your current path. You have found the road that leads to salvation, stay on it and know you have been called, ask to be chosen and believe in what Christ taught and his promise to you.

Thank you.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hi, we all have bad days.

Guess so… exams and all are my excuse.

Is that a Muslim belief that angels ask these questions?

Yes it is.

John 10:30
" I and the Father are one."
Jesus says things like that a lot. Have you read the Gospel of John?

Yep. Doesn’t Jesus also say that he and his disciples are one, also?

What if the angels tell you are were wrong about Jesus and Catholics were rigth? Have you ever considered that?

I trust in God, to be quite honest with you. I am a Muslim because I asked God for guidance, and that led me to Islam. I keep asking for guidance, so am I to believe that God has led me astray when I have sincerely asked for guidance?

I would say there are bigger problems I have, if that were the case.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Dear Sister Amy,

How are you so sure that the angel of God will ask such questions.

What, you don’t think you’re going to be held accountable for what you believed? I believe in God, and I believe His Messenger was telling the truth when he described this.

Have you ever been dead, asked such questions, but being lucky that the angel kicked you back to this world to be alive again?

Why, have you?

Why should the angels ask such questions anyway since He already knows the answers.

Why do you assume that they only ask because God didn’t know?

Do you think the angels do not know how people behave in the world when he/she still living?

I think the angels know what God tells them or lets them know.

Or perhaps, by asking such questions, do you think the people can still deceive the angels by giving false answers?

It will not be possible to lie, at that point. If the answers aren’t correct, the person who will be informed of such is the person in the grave.

Perhaps you can tell these questions to children, so they are scared away and becoming diligence in praying. That kind of questioning is an insult to the angels, don’t you know?

I don’t think so. I do think that your questioning is an insult to me and my faith, however.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Supposedly that really happens, I will answer them in English NOT Arabic, as follows:

Why? Is English your first language? Or do you think the angels wouldn’t understand your Arabic? Or does English have greater appeal to your “soul religion?”

But if beautiful angels would ask me in a peaceful way then I would say:
God The Most High.

I have no prophet.

My soul religion is Lord Jesus love & kingdom.
My flesh religion is my ancestors’ religion.

What is a soul religion? What is a flesh religion? How can they be different? Is not the body simply a reflection of the heart? It is.

So if you do not believe that Muhammad is a prophet–sincerely, with knowledge–then that is your deen. Whether you pray, give charity, make hajj, or fast, it doesn’t matter, because your heart isn’t in it.

 

[A_dollars_worth]

Guess so… exams and all are my excuse.

Play hookey once in a while. Smell the roses and all that.

Yep. Doesn’t Jesus also say that he and his disciples are one, also?

Yes, because we (the Church) are the body of Christ in union with God. Like a marriage in a way when two people join to become one. I assume the Umma is similair in that sense isn’t it? Christ has a unique meaning when He said it about Himself because He is God. Much like when He said He could testify about Himslef. Do you know that passage?

I trust in God, to be quite honest with you. I am a Muslim because I asked God for guidance, and that led me to Islam. I keep asking for guidance, so am I to believe that God has led me astray when I have sincerely asked for guidance?

I think sincere people can still be led astray. As I have read the Qur’an it also says Allah will lead astray who he wills and Satan says he will lead astray all but a few. Personally I do not think God leads people astray though Satan might. I think God wants every human to follow Him so He makes things as simple as possible without doing it all for us to know the way to follow.

When I look at the life of Mohammed I see what could be described as a typical if sincere man before he had that experience in the cave. I mean, despite what I think actually spoke to Mohammed I think he might have been honestly looking for God. It is not unusual to be decieved; I guess the trick is knowing when it happens to you.

I would say there are bigger problems I have, if that were the case.

I don’t know. My personal belief is when Judgment Day happens and we stand before God he will look and say to me: “Catholic! Why then did you not do ALL that I commanded!!!” (be more charitable, less personal failure less often…)
He will look to you and say: “Muslim! The words in the Qur’an were not My words.”

What happens after that is anyones guess but I further guess it will be more compassionate than described in the Qur’an and will be compared to the intent of our heart in addition to what we have done in this life. The man who steals because he is hungry is different than the one who steals for greed. In either case God has commanded us not to steal. Despite what some men say even in a court of law God will know the difference. I think that is true for most things to include the religion we choose or are born into.

Good luck on your exams.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Play hookey once in a while. Smell the roses and all that.

I play hookey too often. That’s my problem.

Yes, because we (the Church) are the body of Christ in union with God. Like a marriage in a way when two people join to become one.

So Jesus is married to God so they are “one,” and the Church is married to Jesus so they are “one?”

I assume the Umma is similair in that sense isn’t it?

Ummah means a group with the same mother. It’s describing brotherhood, in a personal, intimate way.

Christ has a unique meaning when He said it about Himself because He is God. Much like when He said He could testify about Himslef. Do you know that passage?

He said that he (Jesus) could testify and that God (the Father) could testify. Which to me means that he is not God…

I think sincere people can still be led astray. As I have read the Qur’an it also says Allah will lead astray who he wills and Satan says he will lead astray all but a few. Personally I do not think God leads people astray though Satan might. I think God wants every human to follow Him so He makes things as simple as possible without doing it all for us to know the way to follow.

God says He leads astray those who want to go astray, so they persist in error. But those who repent and ask for sincere guidance are not denied.

When I look at the life of Mohammed I see what could be described as a typical if sincere man before he had that experience in the cave. I mean, despite what I think actually spoke to Mohammed I think he might have been honestly looking for God. It is not unusual to be decieved; I guess the trick is knowing when it happens to you.

Well, he was scared. The thing about false prophets is that they are trying to convince you to believe in them. But Muhammad didn’t think he was ready or capable for that mission and he was deeply troubled. But before the cave “encounter” he was seeking God. He rejected the pagan idolatry of his people, and sought out the monotheistic tradition.

I don’t know. My personal belief is when Judgment Day happens and we stand before God he will look and say to me: “Catholic! Why then did you not do ALL that I commanded!!!” (be more charitable, less personal failure less often…)
He will look to you and say: “Muslim! The words in the Qur’an were not My words.”

Believe what you want, I guess.

What happens after that is anyones guess but I further guess it will be more compassionate than described in the Qur’an and will be compared to the intent of our heart in addition to what we have done in this life. The man who steals because he is hungry is different than the one who steals for greed. In either case God has commanded us not to steal. Despite what some men say even in a court of law God will know the difference. I think that is true for most things to include the religion we choose or are born into.

Good luck on your exams.

Well my exams are over now alhamdulillah. In Islam, a person who steals to feed his family isn’t in the same category as a person stealing for greed. In fact, the Muslim Caliph 'Umar bin Al-Khattab actually abolished the punishment of theft (which is amputation) when he saw the people were stealing because they were hungry–because it wasn’t fair to punish them when they needed to steal for their own livelihood.

 

[Steven_John]

What is a soul religion? What is a flesh religion? How can they be different? Is not the body simply a reflection of the heart? It is.

Amen Sister.

May God bless and guide you always

 

[A_dollars_worth]

So Jesus is married to God so they are “one,” and the Church is married to Jesus so they are “one?”

Ummah means a group with the same mother. It’s describing brotherhood, in a personal, intimate way.

Are they really that different to you in concept? Other than the misconception that Jesus is married to God; Jesus is God which is what The Church represnts; His humanity. The Church is the bride to Jesus in an intimate way by remaining true to His word and deed.

Islam describes the relationship with other Muslims as a brotherhood, while Catholics describe it as one body. Islam describes (human) their relationship with Allah as Master/slave and Catholics describe our relationship with God as Father to children.

He said that he (Jesus) could testify and that God (the Father) could testify. Which to me means that he is not God…

Why couldn’t it mean they are the same? You believe God is all powerful, right?

Why isn’t this plausible? John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. "
Humans can do nothing of themselves like healing and raising from the dead. Christ was/is a living man. Christ is more than a prophet. The Apostles did those things too, by believeing in Jesus, just as Jesus described his relationship with the Father; God.

God says He leads astray those who want to go astray, so they persist in error. But those who repent and ask for sincere guidance are not denied.

Can you tell me the verse that say it is people who want to go astray? I read them as just who Allah wills to lead astray. The hardening of Pharaoh’s heart as described in the OT is a rare thing and is maybe not so obvious to understand as something God does. I think it is sad you feel God leads even people who persist in error away from him. Do you know the parable of the one lost sheep to the 99 that did not stray?

Well, he was scared. The thing about false prophets is that they are trying to convince you to believe in them. But Muhammad didn’t think he was ready or capable for that mission and he was deeply troubled. But before the cave “encounter” he was seeking God. He rejected the pagan idolatry of his people, and sought out the monotheistic tradition.

Yes, he was scared which is unusual. And wasn’t the reason he was shunned in his home town because he was trying to convince others to believe him? I think people like FLDS leader Warren Jeffs is sincere, and I think the Branch Davidians leader David Koresh was sincere, but it doesn’t really matter since their intent was misguided. Isn’t it even a possibility to you Mohammed was deceived?

Well my exams are over now alhamdulillah.

I hope you did well.

In Islam, a person who steals to feed his family isn’t in the same category as a person stealing for greed. In fact, the Muslim Caliph 'Umar bin Al-Khattab actually abolished the punishment of theft (which is amputation) when he saw the people were stealing because they were hungry–because it wasn’t fair to punish them when they needed to steal for their own livelihood.

That still disturbs me because it alters the very simple command “You shall not steal.” I can rationalize a reason to steal but it is wrong nonetheless.

Killing is similar in Islam in that it gives many justified reasons to kill others.

This is one reason the Church takes such heat for holding strict on things like abortion, women priests and divorce that are not aligned with new social norms. Even if I were hungry I could not see my priest or the Pope saying it was ok to steal. I think I would be forgiven, but it is still not ok. Amputation is barbaric and shocks me that it is so easily legitimized by anyone much less from a self proclaimed religion of peace.

 

[Nickkname]

Sam: Thank you for such beautiful words, and thanks be to God for giving them to you. May I share your beautiful words - parts 1 to 7 - with my friends?

 

[inJESUS]

angels questioning people on judgment day?. Am not aware of this teaching in the Bible…

 

[Sam_777]

Sam: Thank you for such beautiful words, and thanks be to God for giving them to you. May I share your beautiful words - parts 1 to 7 - with my friends?

:yup: