Frustrated with a situation dealing with molestor

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:rotfl: Okay, that came out wonky. Sorry. What I meant was they don’t usually go off to rent a cabin in the woods. A moment in the coat closet, a few mintues out behind the shed, or while going to get something out of the car. Often there ARE people not too far away, but molesting isn’t always a screaming hysterical drama. A few minutes alone is all these sickos need. And every minute they are enticing and trying to win the affection of a kid so the kid will cooperate.

Yep. That’s exactly what we thought too.
What I meant by pulling your quote about this stuff happening “under people’s noses” is THAT is exactly what happens. I know a woman whose stepson sexually molested her daughter for five years – right in the house – and she never knew it. I know another woman whose 16-year-old son and 13-year-old daughter had intercourse in the daughter’s bedroom.

And you are correct: it can happen in just minutes.
 
By telling his wife that she needs to forgive her brother-in-law, her husband seems to be manipulating her religious sentiments.😦

I am going to speak further to my husband when he returns from work and show him this thread.
I really wouldn’t care what his reasons were for allowing that man in their home. It’s wrong and there’s really nothing to debate about it.

Forgiveness does not require one to ignore a known situation, esp to the possible injury of children’s lives and souls.

I can understand you are close to this woman.
But your kids come first.

**I’d sit her down for a heart to heart, at YOUR home, knowing going in that she may not be able to forgive your honesty.😦 **

After that all you can do is pray angels give her family a bit of extra watching.
 
You know a thought occurred to me… molesting isn’t like other crimes like stealing… when it involves a child it is especially heinous. The problem with thinking this is just like any crime is that it is a behavior that is disordered. 99% of rapes are about power not sex… to feel that you must exert power over a child in this manor is disordered… to actually carry it out is of course criminal… now what is the “cure rate” for pedophiles? Ummm… if you guessed 0% you are correct. If a person is attracted to a child they always will be attracted to children… and if they act upon it, they have already crossed that line into criminal behavior… not a far stretch to believe it will happen again.

Thank you Martha for pointing out the fact that the husband is not related to wifes ex BIL and that there is something disturbing about wanting him around in the first place…
I used the analogy of the thief just to simply make a point. Child abuse is termed as a first offense and then measured therein in respect of the nature, so the charge would be, say child abuse :incest or child abuse: molestation. A paedophile is a repeat offender.

The current thinking is that child abusers may be reformed and there is evidence to support this, but the reform rate is not high, its not as low as 0%, but it is very low.

Current thinking also suggests that child absuers are more likely to re-offend if they are isolated from normal society and left to their own devices, or they are forced underground by public pressure. However, the parole office should have set up support for this man and regular meetings with him to take place once he is released.

No-one likes a witch hunt, so these matters should always be sensibly handled. I think the OP has taken great pains to sensibly handle this without persecuting the man.

I would strongly suggest that the authorities are notified of the woman’s husband’s ideas of inviting this man into their home when children are present, but I would also encourage the family to support the man and socialise with him, go to Mass with him etc when the children are not around.

Having said all of this, the husband may find that his unwise ideas are not embraced by the man, the man will be fully aware of his license terms and may indeed ask to come around when the children are not present.

You can contact your local children’s services and discuss this with them and gain their advice.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
NOT IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT!!!

If they did it once, they could do it again, end of story. Forgiveness yes. Letting him around my kids, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

It does seem odd to me that the husband seems OK with letting this man into his household. My father would say absolutely not, no questions asked, regardless of whose children were in the house or if there were any children in the house at the time.

If something like that would happen to my kids, you can bet I would spring into action. This is not like any other crime. This crime involves stealing someone’s innocence for personal gain. It’s truly sadistic and heinous.
 
The current thinking is that child abusers may be reformed and there is evidence to support this, but the reform rate is not high, its not as low as 0%, but it is very low.

Current thinking also suggests that child absuers are more likely to re-offend if they are isolated from normal society and left to their own devices, or they are forced underground by public pressure. However, the parole office should have set up support for this man and regular meetings with him to take place once he is released.

No-one likes a witch hunt,
Not nearly enough evidence and not nearly enough supposed reform rate - and it’s highly debated by any thinker.

**Yes, obviously if they are underground or left to their own devices - they will choose their preferred method of sick enjoyment.🤷 :rolleyes: **

**This is not a witch hunt, which implies persecution of a fictional nature. This man admitted he did it, was convicted for doing it, and what’s more it doesn’t appear he has any remorse. No indeed not. Rather he actually blames an 11 year old little girl for his disgusting mind and treatment of her.:mad: **
 
I am very frustrated with the attitude of my neighbor’s husband.

I have an 11 year old daughter so this is causing me a lot of concern. First let me say that my neighbor’s husband is not a molestor.

My neighbor still keeps in close contact with her ex in-laws. They visit often to see their grandson and her youngest son-who is not biologically their grandson-call them his grandparents.

Last year her ex brother in-law was sent to prison for a year. At the time a lot of excuses was make for his actions by everyone in his family. He had molested an 11 year old girl.

The excuses were that the girl didn’t look 11, that she had been previously molested,that she dressed indecently and that she came on to him. Remember she was 11! He is in his late twenties.

He is getting out of prison in a few days. I’ve already told my neighbor that my daughter can’t play with her son when his adopted Uncle is over.She understands.

Her husband(who is no relation to these people) has begun to urge his wife to invite her ex brother in-law to their annual Christmas party, which my family was invited to attend. Her husband has said that the man served his time and should be forgiven. And that it should be safe for kids at the party because there will be so many adults.

I know that I hurt my neighbor because I told her that attend we will not attend her party. I can’t take the risk with my 11 year old daughter.

Her husband is certain that her ex brother in-laws crime was a one time act and won’t repeat it with anyone else. I don’t understand how he can know this. I don’t even understand how he can be certain that his own nine year old boy is safe with this man.

Her husband’s attitude is just very frustrating and I just need to vent with someone who is outside of the situation.

Would you trust this man around your children?
I wouldn’t trust the man around my child. No way. I think you are ‘lucky’ in a sense to know this (so you can take precautions at least)–do any of us have any clue how many pedophiles live in our area…near our children? The number will astound you.:eek: I live in Florida, where the number is higher, but I did a search recently by punching in our zip code on a website…and wowwwww…scary. I do believe in mercy, but I also believe in caution. (extra caution when it comes to my kids):o

May I ask…does your dh want to attend the party??:confused:
 
No I would not trust him. Trusting him or showing him trust is not your first priority—protecting your daughter from possible harm is your first priority. don’t let them play on your guilt.

Forgiving him does NOT mean doing anything that makes you feel uncomfortable or in harm’s way—he may have done his time, but who knows what he is still capable of.
 
And adding to that…God tells us to ‘love our neighbors as thy self…’ Not…trust them as thy self.😉
 
I wouldn’t trust the man around my child. No way. I think you are ‘lucky’ in a sense to know this (so you can take precautions at least)–do any of us have any clue how many pedophiles live in our area…near our children? The number will astound you.:eek: I live in Florida, where the number is higher, but I did a search recently by punching in our zip code on a website…and wowwwww…scary. I do believe in mercy, but I also believe in caution. (extra caution when it comes to my kids):o

May I ask…does your dh want to attend the party??:confused:
My dh is even more adament then I am about not being around this man.I am so thankful for my hubby.
 
And adding to that…God tells us to ‘love our neighbors as thy self…’ Not…trust them as thy self.😉
Good point! 👍 you can forgive, but sometimes the person does not change his ways, so you can not be around them because they hurt you, or may hurt you.

To Deb1: You hurt your neighbor’s feelings—it is wrong for them to not see the bigger picture, and everyone else’s possible concerns! you don’t know the man, but they do and their first concern is making him “feel forgiven”—too bad! They are dealing with the consequences of his bad actions. It may seem “unfair” to them, but all things are fair when I am dealing with the welfare of my kids.
 
**. Rather he actually blames an 11 year old little girl for his disgusting mind and treatment of her.:mad: **
Its not just him but his entire family is blaming this child. :mad: He knew her age and was such a close friend of her family that he was allowed to baby sit! When ever this is discussed by his family there is always a but…as in "Yes, he was wrong, but… "
 
Not nearly enough evidence and not nearly enough supposed reform rate - and it’s highly debated by any thinker.

**Yes, obviously if they are underground or left to their own devices - they will choose their preferred method of sick enjoyment.🤷 :rolleyes: **

**This is not a witch hunt, which implies persecution of a fictional nature. This man admitted he did it, was convicted for doing it, and what’s more it doesn’t appear he has any remorse. No indeed not. Rather he actually blames an 11 year old little girl for his disgusting mind and treatment of her.:mad: **
While I understand your obvious disgust at this man’s acts and no-one in their right thinking mind can defend these acts. I cannot and will not condone persecution of someone who has committed these kinds of crimes.

The man explains away his acts as someone else’s fault because he cannot face the total debase line he has crossed, his psychology simply cannot handle it. Every man and woman alive knows that to harm a child in any way is a line that once crossed they have entered a serious shift in psychology, they are not only disordered, they are also seriously psychologically damaged. They are therefore dangerous to children, period, no-one is disputing this; to coin a phrase they are ‘mad and bad’.

I don’t know if you have any training at all nor worked in this field, but studies have been conducted in efforts to reform offenders not to sympathise with them. These studies aren’t in place to make the offender feel comfortable, they are designed to reform them and that will make them most uncomfortable. So such studies aren’t to be sniffed at, they are working towards protecting children, not to simply make offenders feel good about themselves. The offender is supported for the very reason of reforming them so that they can be closely monitored and receive help so that they do not re-offend which in turn means children are safe.

These studies aren’t made up or plucked out of thin air, it is based on years of research and psychological profiling, of working closely with offenders and making every effort to find out what works and what does not work.

It is clear it does not work to leave offenders to their own devices, they will most likely re-offend. It is clear that driving offenders underground will lead to re-offending, so the awful situation is that someone has to help the person who is capable of harming children so that children are protected. Most child abusers have been abused themselves, that does not mean all people who have been abused as a child are child abusers, it simply means that the high proportion of child abusers have been abused. For those who abuse who have been abused they are carrying out learnt behaviour, their psychological constructs are inadequate, they are deeply inadequate and experience feelings of inadequacy, they believe themselves to be powerless and seek control and power, they show signs of multiple personalities, being charismatic and irrational, they are emotionally retarded for their age, they are emotionally damaged beyond recognising the humanity of another person, they are highly manipulative, they take advantage of people’s sense of compassion. etc etc.

Out of every ten children one of them has been abused as a child. This will give some indication of the magnitude of the problem, this will also put into perspective that most people who have been abused as a child do not go on to abuse children themselves.

It goes without saying that what this man has done is pure evil. But if children are to be protected in the future it does no good to say ‘string them up or drive them outta town’. People may like to know where offenders are in their community so that parents can take measures to protect their children, the OP has been lucky to have this opportunity, in my country it doesn’t exist, there is no way of knowing if a convicted sex offender lives in your community. However if people were to know this they cannot handle that information wrongly and it would be wrong to make this persons life a misery and cause them hardship where they cannot function in the community within the remits of their license. Further some people may even take the law into their own hands and more than this some people may well be violent.

I don’t think God would want us to take measures that are unreasonable. It is reasonable to keep children away from this person, it ia reasonable to report the husband and his ideas to the authorities however it is unreasonable to treat the offender badly.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
Its not just him but his entire family is blaming this child. :mad: He knew her age and was such a close friend of her family that he was allowed to baby sit! When ever this is discussed by his family there is always a but…as in "Yes, he was wrong, but… "
I don’t think you need to hang out there…truthfully. I mean, wave…be nice…say hello…be helpful if they ask. But, you don’t need to be best buddies with your neighbor. I think it’s a nice thing to be able to do so, but in this case, it’s prudent to just keep a safe distance.
 
Its not just him but his entire family is blaming this child. :mad: He knew her age and was such a close friend of her family that he was allowed to baby sit! When ever this is discussed by his family there is always a but…as in "Yes, he was wrong, but… "
I realize that in some states it is illegal to leave an 11-year-old alone without an adult. But for my money, an 11-year-old should be well drilled in how to handle herself without a baby sitter.

I’m going to sound like one of those crankky curmudgeons who always tell you they walked five miles to school in three feet of snow . . . But: when I was eleven, I WAS the baby sitter. My eleven-year-old girlfriend and I would watch her 7- and 4-year-old brother and sister when her mom went grocery shopping and ran errands on Saturday afternoons.
 
I realize that in some states it is illegal to leave an 11-year-old alone without an adult. But for my money, an 11-year-old should be well drilled in how to handle herself without a baby sitter.

I’m going to sound like one of those crankky curmudgeons who always tell you they walked five miles to school in three feet of snow . . . But: when I was eleven, I WAS the baby sitter. My eleven-year-old girlfriend and I would watch her 7- and 4-year-old brother and sister when her mom went grocery shopping and ran errands on Saturday afternoons.
Just like you, I baby sat at a young age. I would not allow my 11 year old daughter to stay home alone today unless I had a dire emergency. This is because the world seems more dangerous then when I was young.
 
People that do this kind of thing to children NEVER do it to just one child. Anyone that believes that is nuts! The guy has likely done these things for a long time before he got caught. I would not only point him out to my daughter but I would tell her why she should stay away from him, and alert the neighbors with flyers and a picture of the guy. Also call the local paper as well as the cops and any local schools (they should already know but never too careful) With enough attention on the person you will be surprised how quickly your neighbor’s husband will change his mind about having the guy around. As an example of what can happen we recently found a convicted child molestor working at a local elementary school. Don’t assume those that need to know the information already do.:eek:
 
As an example of what can happen we recently found a convicted child molestor working at a local elementary school. Don’t assume those that need to know the information already do.:eek:
What happened to Criminal records checks being done? There is no excuse for this to ever happen.

I can’t agree with the rest of your post, flying around like a loose canon isn’t a good idea, but it is a good idea to keep and eye on the man and who he is befriending and if necessary inform people if he is attempting to befriend families and their children.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
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