Frustrated with a situation dealing with molestor

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Oh for goodness sake, it is common sense. You keep your child away from the man, period. But people don’t start hate campaigns but rather you leave the man alone. If he says hello to you, simply say hi and leave it at that, if you can’t bring yourself to talk to the guy, then ignore him, do what you like, but this is getting ridiculous.

You might never have known he is a child abuser, but you do, so take good reasonable measures to keep your kids safe and then leave it at that.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
If this man was to confess his sins with a firm resolve not to commit the same sins again then God would forgive Him and yet here are people who say they love God saying that this man deserves no love, deserves no good treatment because he is a sinner worse than anyone else.

I’ve said he deserves LIFE IN PRISON. I think that’s the kindest, safest, best treatment for him and I sure as heck don’t think that sentiment makes me unchristian. He is unsafe for the most vulnerable and innocent of our society.

OK all of you who hate this man and those men like him and even some women who abuse children, you cast the first stone at this man if you are without sin.

**Oh that’s just blarney and distraction and proves you have no valid argument. As christians we have a duty to hate ALL sin, we also consider it a work of mercy to aid others in avoiding sin when we can. I don’t hate that man but you can bet I hate the sins he committed on that little girl.:mad: **

You may live in a secular world, you may want your pound of flesh, but when you have had it what will you do with it, what good will it do your soul?

**I’d go in peace knowing I did all I could to prevent evil from preying on my kids!:rolleyes: **
at some point when a person has served their time, they have paid their debt to society they must return to society and they must be supported to live as a positive member of society.
See there’s where we disagree. I don’t think they should ever walk out of a prison when they’ve sexual abused a little kid.
It is a very sad fact that, to protect our children – which should be a Christian parent’s PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY – one may indeed be called to exclude others, no matter how repentent they may seem to be. Child predators are exceptionally capable of gaining trust of parents and children. That is how they are able to get away with the horror they inflict. Seeing parents act in social, welcoming ways to someone allows that person to use the argument with a child – “see, your mommy and daddy (or grandma, grandpa, neighbor, friend) like me; they would be happy we are friends.”

Christ was clear about his opinions of those who would harm the “little ones.” As should we all be. . .
Amen!
I tell you one thing folks. This conversation has been a real eye opener for me. I would never have thought that any rational loving parent would think it premissable in any way, much less christian, to allow their children around the likes of a convicted child molester.


**It’s shocking and terrible.:eek: :mad: :crying: **

Maybe some of you just have more confidence or pride in your parenting than me. I hope it’s never proven wrong, like as happened to so many other parents of abused children.

Because my only thought is that if anything ever happened, I’d never ever be able to forgive myself for having introduce that man into my family in any small way and I can only imagine the betrayal my kid would feel for me too.

I think Christ would completely understand and approve that my FIRST obligation is to my kids and Christ is not limited by me or you. I have no doubt that He will find a way to reach such men, but it’s up to those men to accept Him.
 
Well… what would Jesus do?

At that time the disciples approached Jesus and said, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
He called a child over, placed it in their midst, and said, "Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoever receives one child such as this in my name receives me. "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come!
If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or crippled than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into eternal fire.
And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into fiery Gehenna.
"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my heavenly Father.

Christ is pretty clear that there is very little tolerance in Heaven for anyone who harms children or takes their innocence. Short of cement shoes or lopping off various appendages of child molesters, which the law does not allow us to do, we are cautioned here not to be any part of allowing a child to be harmed. And here, sins of omission can’t be disregarded. Neglecting to protect our children is a crime. Leaving them unsupervised or in harm’s way is a crime.

Having said that, I live a few doors down from a convicted child molester. His victim was the same age as my daughters have been. He did his time in prison. He is married with small children now. I say hello to him. I wave when I drive by his house and he is watering his lawn. I make it a point to be friendly when he is out walking with his children. I am very kind to his daughter. I pray to God he has not done anything to her. And I wonder if he lives in a particular hell of worry now about her and his knowledge of what can happen to her. And if that is his punishment too.

Having said that, at least it’s good to know where the danger is. My daughters know that a criminal can be very normal looking. They aren’t all nasty strangers in trench coats lurking in dark alleys. This has heightened their awareness. They do not go to that house. They do not babysit there. They see me treat the man with courtesy. I tell the girls that he did his time in prison, which is more than many people who have victimized others have done. There ARE many people who get away with crimes and never get punished. So this man has three or four years of incarceration to contemplate. This is also a state where a second offense is reason to put them away for life. I’m sure he knows that. I’m more worried about the people out there who haven’t been caught.

God says to forgive. But use common sense. I wouldn’t throw rocks at a rabid dog. But I wouldn’t bring it into my house and keep it as a pet either. As one other poster said, these people can be very charming and manipulative and they prey on the goodwill of the exact people who want to forgive and be Christlike about it. There is no lower life than those who take advantage of people’s desire to be kind to victimize them.

I also wonder about a man who would bring a non-relative child molester into his house. What point is he trying to prove to himself or others? “Hey, girls, get your clothes on! Funny Uncle is coming to the party!” :confused:

I’d have yellow lights flashing in my head. Almost red lights.
 
Oh for goodness sake, it is common sense. You keep your child away from the man, period. But people don’t start hate campaigns but rather you leave the man alone. If he says hello to you, simply say hi and leave it at that, if you can’t bring yourself to talk to the guy, then ignore him, do what you like, but this is getting ridiculous.

You might never have known he is a child abuser, but you do, so take good reasonable measures to keep your kids safe and then leave it at that.

In the Living Prayer of my life
Personally, I am not asking anyone to start bothering the man or making his life miserable. I wouldn’t do that.

In your post you commented that one shouldn’t bring children around the molestor. I am sorry if you feel that your disclaimer was over looked.

I do think that if one has children they might have to be more wary in showing anything beyond politeness to such a person.
 
At one point in our society rapists got the death penalty. I am not advocating that we put to death these people but we could at least push for longer prison sentences. A year for molesting a child seems very light to me.
 
I wouldn’t throw rocks at a rabid dog. But I wouldn’t bring it into my house and keep it as a pet either.
:clapping: :bowdown2: Wonderful post! Thank you for taking the time to type the biblical example!

I only quoted the above because I thought it was a great illustration. I’d still love the dog, but I’d leave it in a kennel! (Which is actually kinder than what is done - a vet would give them death.) And no one would say, "Oh no! Just monitor the poor vicious animal! It’s not the dog’s fault! You’ll just have to keep the kiddies away. You’re so lucky you know he is rabid. Just think of all the dogs you don’t know that are rabid."

**Why would anyone show more common sense and compassion to a dog than a man?🤷 **

I don’t know why some are saying we are being unreasonable. I’m NOT advocating vigilante acts. I’m advocating life in prison. Since we don’t have that, then yes, I think shunning them is a very valid and reasonable act. I wouldn’t say or do ANYTHING to them if at all possible.
 
Indeed. And it is not loving to put temptation in his way.
…and even if he was not a molestor, you do not need to hang out with neighbors, or feel compelled to socialize with them. God asks that we are kind and caring to our neighbors, not be best friends with all we meet.🙂
 
I would never have my child go over there again. What if she is over there, the uncle isnt there, but then stops by while she is there - FORGET IT. I wouldnt even be in the same room with these people - they are obviously on a different moral level than you. I"m not saying dont forgive him, but that doesnt mean forget. Forgive him as much as you can as a Christian, but that doesnt mean taking your daughter over there - those are two very different things.

Vester
 
Another poster besides vester mentioned…‘forgiving him.’ Unless I missed something, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not seeing why we are put into a role of forgiving this molestor? Do we mean…‘having mercy?’ That would be a better way of stating that, because if I am not the injured party…what am I forgiving? Like, how can I forgive someone who has not hurt mer personally…or hurt my family member? (Not that we cannot be outraged or angry over another’s hurt, but if my neighbor’s child was molested, why do I need to forgive the molestor? Like would my forgiveness be relevant?) Just want to make sure I get what everyone is meaning here. :o
 
Another poster besides vester mentioned…‘forgiving him.’ Unless I missed something, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not seeing why we are put into a role of forgiving this molestor? Do we mean…‘having mercy?’ That would be a better way of stating that, because if I am not the injured party…what am I forgiving? Like, how can I forgive someone who has not hurt mer personally…or hurt my family member? (Not that we cannot be outraged or angry over another’s hurt, but if my neighbor’s child was molested, why do I need to forgive the molestor? Like would my forgiveness be relevant?) Just want to make sure I get what everyone is meaning here. :o
I think that you are right. When my neighbor told me that her husband said that people should forgive her ex brother-in-law, I wondered what he meant.

My desire to keep this man away from my kids has nothing to do with any pain that the personally cause my family. There is nothing for me to forgive him for. That is up to his victim and God.

Thanks for asking the meaning of this word.
 
We have a sex offender living in our area. My dh wanted to do this. We ended up not doing it. WHY? Because there are laws in place to protect these people. What you are basically talking about is a witch hunt in the making. That will help no one. The man has done his time and deserves to be able to get on with his life, as it is now.
The best thing a parent in these circumstances can do is simply warn you children and keep a very sharp eye on them when they are outside.
I have to agree with blessed, there is no excuse for that other man to be working in the school system. I work as a sub and when you apply the application specifically states that they will be doing a background check on you. The administration clearly failed to do a background check on him. If they had they would have known he was a molester.
The man may deserve to get on with his life but the rest of us have a right to protect those we love from being around when he “slips up.” In my state the aforementioned activities are not illegal and are required to be done by the courts after someone is released but often it is not done, hence my suggestion. Case in point is when we found the convicted molestor working in an elementary school. I am not suggesting to go outside the bounds of your local laws whatever they are but a year in jail in no way repays a debt to society after molesting an 11 year old girl. That is down right insulting to the girl and her family. A witch hunt implies you are going after someone who you believe is evil without proof. Letting people around you know what is already in the public record is responsible…or you can wait until he serves your little girl lunch at the school cafeteria. Your choice. :knight2:
 
No-one has the right to take anyone’s life. Even a life sentence is 20 to 25 years maximum. Depending on the age of the criminal this could indeed mean they never leave prison, but for the most part lifers leave prison after serving their full term or on occassion, reduced sentence with parole.

You will say they have ruined someone’s life by their actions, yes they have, a murderer has done no different in that they have cut short someone’s life and ruined the lives of the deceased loved ones. Still, very rarely is anyone imprisoned for their entire life.

The general public cannot attempt to rewrite law and understand what the law is based on and at least know something about how the law works. The Law is to uphold freedom, freedom of all individuals within society. I’m not going to get into a debate about the law because often times the general public think the law is a moral creature, no it is not, it cannot exactly deal with morals, it doesn’t deal with emotions, it deals with the what is not and what is legally permissable and it is not legally permissable to imprison somone for the entire natural life.

Your country allows the death penalty, most countries do not allow the death penalty and my country is one of them, this is a continuation of the legal standpoint that no-one is legally allowed to take another person’s life be it in freedom be it in execution.

Stiffer sentences are a consideration, but although great work is done in prison to reform offenders of all manner of crimes, it is a known fact that institutionalisation does lead to further crime and criminalisation of the offender.

Don’t try and legislate, it isn’t as easy as it looks.

You cannot take an eye for an eye.

You can be as angry as you like about what this man did, but calm down, you are not perfect either and you will one day need God’s mercy like the rest of us.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
Blessed Star, I don’t think that anyone suggested that he be killed!
 
Blessed Star, I don’t think that anyone suggested that he be killed!
But if children are to be protected in the future it does no good to say ‘string them up or drive them outta town’.
**I completely disagree. Again there’s at least 2 other options. Life or death penalty. The only reason I’m not for death, is because of the possible error against an innocent. But my heavens if this guy has the moxy to be admiting it and blaming the 11 year old!? **

This part in bold was posted by Robswife

People’s emotions always run high where innocent children suffer, for goodness sake, it makes my blood boil too, no-one in the right mind can not have some kind of deep reaction to this kind of sin. However we are not irrational, we can and do take steps to make sure our kids are as safe as possibly they can be.

Calm down.

Be aware, make your kids aware and keep them away from the guy and monitor the situation and for goodness sake report the neighbours plans to mix this man with their kids to the police. Your friend might not like it, but you’ll have to ride the storm, if she or her husband haven’t got the common sense to keep him away from their kids then you have the duty to step in and ensure their safety.

If I was in the USA and knew of this situation I’d be on the phone now to the cops. All legal professionals such as a lawyer have the right to breach any contract of confidentiality with a client where child abuse issues arise, and you have the right to do so likewise in this friendship.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
Nor is anyone suggesting that you trust him to be alone with a child-just don’t treat him as if he had the plague as some on this thread have advocted.
 
The cops can do nothing unless there are coditions on his parole. Which is highly unlikely.
There will be conditions on his parole because he is a sex offender as I have previously stated, he will be released on license which carries certain restrictions.

There is a great deal the cops can do in this circumstance.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
There will be conditions on his parole because he is a sex offender as I have previously stated, he will be released on license which carries certain restrictions.

There is a great deal the cops can do in this circumstance.

In the Living Prayer of my life
Not in my state. He can live as close to a park as he wants. Live as close to a bus stop as he wants. He doesn’t have to tell his church. No one would know anything unless they heard of it on the news and remember him or went up to him and asked. In my situation he’s not even on the offender list b/c his crimes were before the list laws were enacted and they aren’t retroactive here.
 
Read this link:

criminaljustice.state.ny.us/index.htm

On an aside what I never understood about US law is that if it works in one state why it doesn’t seem that all states adopt it, it just lacks common sense.

Anyway, unless there is a specific condition on the license sex offenders can live wherever they like and no they do not have to tell their church. But they do have to keep to the remits of their license and one condition is not to mix with children without the authorities knowing about and mointoring the situation whch as I have said previsouly means that at the very least the children will be put on the At Risk Register which does involve children’s services in the family. I don’t believe the family are aware of this nor the implications of inviting this man regularly into their home.

If you are unsure what your state provides call up your local criminal justice office and enquire explaining the situation. I would advise all parents to obtain one of these:criminaljustice.state.ny.us/pio/safechild.htm

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
I also wanted to say that I"m so sorry you are dealing with this issue, I know it must be hard because they are neighbors…

Vester
 
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