Fundamentalists and the 5 Senses

[deb1]

We do not try to find God (as you put it) we have found God and He has found us.

god is truly present in the Eucharist. that is what the poster was referring to. when catholics take communion they are literally touching Christ. it is amazing when you think about it.

imagine that you love and cherish a wonderful woman. she has to leave you for awhile and you think about her constantly. you are true to her and remember her every day. one day, she comes home. would you inform her that you no longer need to hold her hand or hug her because you have her in your heart. i hope not.

the same analogy is true of protestants and catholics. there are many, many good Christians who are protestants but they deny themselves the true physical presence of Christ. they don’t love Christ less then catholics do, they just don’t understand that they can physically touch Christ if they wish to.

 

[Cardinalsong]

god is truly present in the Eucharist. that is what the poster was referring to. when catholics take communion they are literally touching Christ. it is amazing when you think about it.

imagine that you love and cherish a wonderful woman. she has to leave you for awhile and you think about her constantly. you are true to her and remember her every day. one day, she comes home. would you inform her that you no longer need to hold her hand or hug her because you have her in your heart. i hope not.

the same analogy is true of protestants and catholics. there are many, many good Christians who are protestants but they deny themselves the true physical presence of Christ. they don’t love Christ less then catholics do, they just don’t understand that they can physically touch Christ if they wish to.

Well put Deb. I never thought of it that way before.

 

[allischalmers]

god is truly present in the Eucharist. that is what the poster was referring to. when catholics take communion they are literally touching Christ. it is amazing when you think about it.

imagine that you love and cherish a wonderful woman. she has to leave you for awhile and you think about her constantly. you are true to her and remember her every day. one day, she comes home. would you inform her that you no longer need to hold her hand or hug her because you have her in your heart. i hope not.

the same analogy is true of protestants and catholics. there are many, many good Christians who are protestants but they deny themselves the true physical presence of Christ. they don’t love Christ less then catholics do, they just don’t understand that they can physically touch Christ if they wish to.

As I sit here with my computer I feel the true physical presence of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I feel his presence with me 24/7/365.
I do not think any protestant would deny that.

 

[Ahimsa]

1. Taste. Communion every single Sunday and it’s available every single day of the week.

I don’t know the fundamentalists you’ve been hanging around, but the ones I know, they know how to cook some fried chicken, collard greens, and corn bread. To a Southerner, that’s all the taste you need – once you pray over it, of course.

 

[deb1]

I don’t know the fundamentalists you’ve been hanging around, but the ones I know, they know how to cook some fried chicken, collard greens, and corn bread. To a Southerner, that’s all the taste you need – once you pray over it, of course.

as a fellow southerner, you made me mighty hungry. i’m drooling all over my keyboard now.

but the food you are eating isn’t the same as the eucharist. words are inadequate to explain the honor of participating in the eucharist.

 

[deb1]

As I sit here with my computer I feel the true physical presence of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I feel his presence with me 24/7/365.
I do not think any protestant would deny that.

you feel him in your heart and soul. that is wonderful. but you aren’t literally touching him. his body is not there with you.

i don’t know how else to explain it without accidentally offending you.

what i am about to say does not mean that protestants have less faith then catholics or that jesus loves us more. please understand that.

but can’t you see that there is a difference between having someone with you in spirit and being able to physically touch that person?

 

[exoflare]

you feel him in your heart and soul. that is wonderful. but you aren’t literally touching him. his body is not there with you.

i don’t know how else to explain it without accidentally offending you.

what i am about to say does not mean that protestants have less faith then catholics or that jesus loves us more. please understand that.

but can’t you see that there is a difference between having someone with you in spirit and being able to physically touch that person?

Read John chapter 6… Jesus didn’t try calling those guys back when they ditched him after the “bread of life” discourse; I don’t know if it would work any better for you or me.

 

[Curious]

I don’t know the fundamentalists you’ve been hanging around, but the ones I know, they know how to cook some fried chicken, collard greens, and corn bread. To a Southerner, that’s all the taste you need – once you pray over it, of course

I can testify to that!! (fundamentalists can ALWAYS testify. )

 

[teachccd]

Gee, I love the way you cherry picked that verse and insinuated that I love world and don’t have the love of my heavenly Father in me. I see things haven’t changed much in the Protestant world.
There is a great difference in loving the world and the things in the world and using all the physical senses that God gave me to know him, to love him, and to worship him. You would think if God only wanted spiritual worship he would have remained in Heaven. Instead, he understood that we really needed a physical God (Jesus) who could teach us to use all of our physical abilities and senses to worship and work for our Lord.
Good luck on your “spiritual” journey. I will continue to worship with my whole being.

Another “God in the box” theology. Thank you for answering this person in a way that glorifies God AND His creation including ourselves. And remember, all of you matter doesn’t matter folks, God became human. Yes He became what He created…Matter does matter…God Bless…teachccd

 

[teachccd]

Consider the following about Catholics. They employ all 5 of their senses in worship.

1. Sight - not only seeing what’s going on at Mass or reading the Bible, but using religious imagery for inspirational or meditative purposes.
2. Smell. Good ol’ incense.
3. Touch - feeling the Rosary beads while in prayer
4. Hearing - hearing the Mass and prayers and so on.
5. Taste. Communion every single Sunday and it’s available every single day of the week.

I may be totally wrong, but it seems as though Fundamentalists tend to shrink away from these very physical components of worship and rely more on…well…I guess on emotions or faith or some other intangible thing. Oh, I know we/they have their/our communion too, and we/they hear sermons and read Bibles. But beyond that, it’s all purely “spiritual.”

Am I making sense? And if so, has anyone else noticed that?

I wonder why that is.

YOU BET!! Now you got me “Curious”. HMMMMM …Sounding awfully Catholic here…

You make me…:banghead: and I know exactly what that feels like now.:newidea:

 

[truthnlight]

Yes…that’s exactly what I was trying to say. It is often fundamentalists that will say you cannot listen to any music but secular, shouldn’t watch any TV but TBN, shouldn’t read any books but Christian ones.

In a way, it’s commendable that the sincere ones try to do this to separate themselves and live a more holy life.

But the rules they lay on themselves seem far more restrictive than the basic requirements of Catholicism.

And if you mentioned incense to a fundy, he’d probably try to cast the devil outat ya.

2Tim 003:001 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
003:002 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
003:003 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

I am a Baptist I belive in obedience because of what the lord did for me. I praise Him in my walk, talk, mind, and soul. How I love Him because He loved me first.

 

[deb1]

2Tim 003:001 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
003:002 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
003:003 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

I am a Baptist I belive in obedience because of what the lord did for me. I praise Him in my walk, talk, mind, and soul. How I love Him because He loved me first.

that particular verse always reminds me of the times that we are presently in. but i am not certain what is has to do with this subject

 

[Subrosa]

In my 57 years in the Southern Baptist Church, this was not my experience. When the truth started looking too “Catholic” we managed to obscure it. Our outward signs of spiritual worship even changed over time. Communion went from once a month to once or twice a year. Usually Christmas eve and Easter. We used to have “altar calls” but we had no altar because we had no sacrifice. We demanded that you be baptised in order to gain admission to the local church, but we declared that baptism was only a sign of obedience or a symbol. Gosh, that sounds like a “tradition of man” if there ever was one. I saw people come to the “altar” to “rededicate their life” or in some cases be “rebaptised” even though they had all ready been baptised in the Baptist denomination. I finally realized that these broken souls were looking for the confessional and the priest who would absolve them. Instead they were re-baptised just in case the first one didn’t take.
Now I see that the Southern Baptist Convention which is having it’s annual meeting this week will be “voting” to see if they believe in the gift of “speaking of tongues” Be sure and let me know how that one turns out. I hope it’s not a 50/50 split!!! I know I am sounding sarcastic, but this is what I dealt with for many years before I was shown “TRUTH” by the Holy Spirit. I had made fun of and laughed at those Catholics for years. But after just a little bit of discernment in reading John 6 and then attending my first Mass, I became a changed person. By the time the priest raised the body and blood and said" This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper." I was convinced! If I hadn’t all ready been on my knees, I would have fallen to my knees in front of my Lord. As a matter of fact, as I proclaimed for the first time in my heart, “My Lord and My God!”, I felt as if I should prostrate myself and bury my face in the floor, because for the first time in my life I was truly in the presence of the Christ, the Son of the Living God!!!

How inspiring. I’m almost in tears.

God bless you!
Subrosa

 

[Subrosa]

I am a Baptist I belive in obedience because of what the lord did for me. I praise Him in my walk, talk, mind, and soul. How I love Him because He loved me first.

You are in a good place, TnL. Love Christ, Praise Christ, Walk with Christ. In this we agree.

Locally we at our parish join with other Christians to pray and worship God. One time during this last Easter we joined with St. Pauls Episcopal, two Baptist churches and a Methodist church for a day to walk and pray the Way of the Cross. We each took turns reading scripture and praying at each stop along the Way.

What is happening is that we are focusing more on our similarities than our differences.

Subrosa

 

[truthnlight]

god is truly present in the Eucharist. that is what the poster was referring to. when catholics take communion they are literally touching Christ. it is amazing when you think about it.

imagine that you love and cherish a wonderful woman. she has to leave you for awhile and you think about her constantly. you are true to her and remember her every day. one day, she comes home. would you inform her that you no longer need to hold her hand or hug her because you have her in your heart. i hope not.

the same analogy is true of protestants and catholics. there are many, many good Christians who are protestants but they deny themselves the true physical presence of Christ. they don’t love Christ less then catholics do, they just don’t understand that they can physically touch Christ if they wish to.

“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”- Mark 7:7

“And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” -Mark 7:9

“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” -Mark 7:13

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” -Colossians 2:8

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Ephesians 2:8.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:9.

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 2:21.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:9.

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” John 3:7,8

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” -2nd Corinthians 5:17

1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ…”

John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

004:005 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness

Titus 3:5 “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us…” :bible1:

 

[Renton405]

Consider the following about Catholics. They employ all 5 of their senses in worship.

1. Sight - not only seeing what’s going on at Mass or reading the Bible, but using religious imagery for inspirational or meditative purposes.
2. Smell. Good ol’ incense.
3. Touch - feeling the Rosary beads while in prayer
4. Hearing - hearing the Mass and prayers and so on.
5. Taste. Communion every single Sunday and it’s available every single day of the week.

I may be totally wrong, but it seems as though Fundamentalists tend to shrink away from these very physical components of worship and rely more on…well…I guess on emotions or faith or some other intangible thing. Oh, I know we/they have their/our communion too, and we/they hear sermons and read Bibles. But beyond that, it’s all purely “spiritual.”

Am I making sense? And if so, has anyone else noticed that?

I wonder why that is.

Christ is visable thus the church is visable…

The Gnostics had a very similar arguement … that the faith was all invisable… you can see how fast they went into heresy…

The CC focuses on both the visable and invisable…

 

[truthnlight]

You are in a good place, TnL. Love Christ, Praise Christ, Walk with Christ. In this we agree.

Locally we at our parish join with other Christians to pray and worship God. One time during this last Easter we joined with St. Pauls Episcopal, two Baptist churches and a Methodist church for a day to walk and pray the Way of the Cross. We each took turns reading scripture and praying at each stop along the Way.

What is happening is that we are focusing more on our similarities than our differences.

Subrosa

I love You.

 

[Renton405]

I finally came to the realization that Protestant beliefs were very close to the definition of gnosticism. All matter is bad. Only the spiritual is good.
It’s one of the reasons I left it.

Exactly. I know protestants don’t like to be lumped with the gnostic heretics… but they are both so simlar on the invisible church and other doctrines concerning the invisible and visible world… i suggest the OP read Ireaneus Against heresies. you will find many doctrines similar to protestants…

The nicolations also had similar theologys on this…

 

[Renton405]

The Bible says to worship God in Spirit and in truth. This just how protestant worship God.

if that is honestly true there would be one church, instead of 30,000

 

[Generic_Man]

@ truthnlight

“For just as is a body is dead without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead” James 2:26

I’m guessing this is arguing that someone does not really have faith if he is in such a state of sin.

And can someone show me that verse praising those who stick to the tradition of the apostles? The traditions of men those verses are referring to non-Christian traditions.