Future of The Church - Next Pope

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Not to be grim. I pray that God may grant BXVI many mores years of life. However, I was thinking about this…Pope BXVI has rocked many boats with liberal and traditional Catholics alike. Some view him too modern and some claim he is bringing the church back to the middle ages. So, do you see the next Pope being a more liberal person trying to take the changes made by VII even further? Or perhaps a Pope who is unapologetic about his Catholic faith and all of the rich traditions that come with it?

I know a lot of the Bishops are not very supportive of the EF. There’s been crazy events when the faithful were scolded for not taking CITH, being told that kneeling is a mortal sin; Priests referring to mass as a meal, etc…

So, maybe since there are so many progressive thinkers that hold high positions in the church, we might end up with a modern Pope?

Scary to think that all the good that BXVI has done for the traditional minded could very well end with him.

Thoughts?
 
I think the next Pope should strive to annoy both liberals and traditionalists, like Benedict XVI. 😃

If he succeeds, I think that would suggest he striking the right balance. People, especially Popes, should not be pigeonholed by labels and much less by ideology.

We should all be striving to be faithful Catholics, not “traditionalists” or “liberals”.
 
I think the cardinals should do numerous hours of prayer and fasting so they know exactly who God is calling them to vote for. And for everyone that doesn’t know this, but the pope can be any single, Catholic male. So, I could become pope at the age of 16 if that is what God wanted. I would just have to go through the classes of becoming a priest and then i’ll be set 😃

God Bless 👍
 
The Pope should never make any apologies for his faith. The next Pope should be faithful to Holy Mother Church. The Church is not liberal, she is conservative and beautiful. That should be reflected in our Holy Father.

If we don’t want to see all the beautiful work done by our Holy Father go down the drain, we must exercise all of the beautiful things that he has given us and show our priests and our Bishops that we want a Church that is faithful to tradition.

Whatever the Lord wants. Exactly as someone above me said, we need to pray for the Cardinals to do the Lord’s Will. And I have a feeling they will.

A “Liberal” Pope would not help the Church. We can’t solve our problems by relativizing them and things able to be done simply because it is “too hard” to follow tradition and live by the guiding hand of Holy Mother Church.

Hopefully we can have another Holy Father as good to us as Benedict and Bl. John Paul II have been to us. We are definitely in the Springtime Bl JPII called for. I pray this beautiful movement continues within the Church.
 
Morgan_Hiver said:
Not to be grim. I pray that God may grant BXVI many mores years of life. However, I was thinking about this…Pope BXVI has rocked many boats with liberal and traditional Catholics alike. Some view him too modern and some claim he is bringing the church back to the middle ages. So, do you see the next Pope being a more liberal person trying to take the changes made by VII even further? Or perhaps a Pope who is unapologetic about his Catholic faith and all of the rich traditions that come with it?

I know a lot of the Bishops are not very supportive of the EF. There’s been crazy events when the faithful were scolded for not taking CITH, being told that kneeling is a mortal sin; Priests referring to mass as a meal, etc…

So, maybe since there are so many progressive thinkers that hold high positions in the church, we might end up with a modern Pope?

Scary to think that all the good that BXVI has done for the traditional minded could very well end with him.

Thoughts?
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Firstly, let’s prray the next Pope is not liberal when it comes to the church and faith.
Secondly, what on earth does EF and CITH mean?
 
Morgan_Hiver said:
Not to be grim. I pray that God may grant BXVI many mores years of life. However, I was thinking about this…Pope BXVI has rocked many boats with liberal and traditional Catholics alike. Some view him too modern and some claim he is bringing the church back to the middle ages. So, do you see the next Pope being a more liberal person trying to take the changes made by VII even further? Or perhaps a Pope who is unapologetic about his Catholic faith and all of the rich traditions that come with it?

I know a lot of the Bishops are not very supportive of the EF. There’s been crazy events when the faithful were scolded for not taking CITH, being told that kneeling is a mortal sin; Priests referring to mass as a meal, etc…

So, maybe since there are so many progressive thinkers that hold high positions in the church, we might end up with a modern Pope?

Scary to think that all the good that BXVI has done for the traditional minded could very well end with him.

Thoughts?
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All Popes should be orthodox Catholics, after all a Pope can not change Catholic teaching so it would make no sense to have a ‘‘liberal’’ or ‘‘progressive’’ Pope if they wanted to change Catholic teaching.
 
OraLabora said:
I think the next Pope should strive to annoy both liberals and traditionalists, like Benedict XVI. 😃

If he succeeds, I think that would suggest he striking the right balance. People, especially Popes, should not be pigeonholed by labels and much less by ideology.

We should all be striving to be faithful Catholics, not “traditionalists” or “liberals”.
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Amen.

The next pope should continue to strive to be a disciple of Our Lord.
The rest will fall into place.

Any pope (and bishop for that matter) should be less concerned with trying to appease the people, whether progressives or conservatives, and be more concerned with doing the Will of Him who called him.

And we the faithful, should continue to strive to be humble and to sacrifice our personal desires, wants and egos, and seek to continue the Incarnation within our daily lives.

It’s my observation (and I included myself in this) that whether we are progressives, conservatives or somewhere in between, we are often driven by the same force. That of our egos.

That gets in the way of the Spirit of God working thru us. That gets in the way of Love.
 
Nelka said:
Firstly, let’s prray the next Pope is not liberal when it comes to the church and faith.
Secondly, what on earth does EF and CITH mean?
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Don’t know either.:confused: Good idea to write it out first with the initials behind and then refer to subject by those initials so the rest of us can keep up. Thank you 😃
 
zab said:
I trust that the Holy Spirit will continue to guide the Church.
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That really is the bottom line isn’t it?

If we really believe really trust that the Spirit leads and guides the church, the next pope will be called because God has called him to be His next Vicar.

Regardless if he is perceived to be, or labeled, as a progressive or conservative or somewhere in between, it will be God’s will.

We do believe that, dont we? 🤷

And I have full trust that Pope Benedict will be with us for as long as it is God’s will. 👍
 
I think that Pope Benedict XVI is an awesome Pope, and a defender of Catholic tradition. I don’t think that he has done anything to make true traditionalists mad (when I say that I speak of Catholics who accept Vatican II and everything that the Church teaches and not the SSPX, sedevacantists, or other extreme traditionalists). I think that by allowing any priest to say the Latin Mass he has made many trads very happy. I hope the next Pope is like Benedict and that the Lord grants Pope Benedict a long life and many years in the Papacy. I just hope the next Pope isn’t a liberal.
 
OraLabora said:
I think the next Pope should strive to annoy both liberals and traditionalists, like Benedict XVI. 😃

If he succeeds, I think that would suggest he striking the right balance. People, especially Popes, should not be pigeonholed by labels and much less by ideology.

We should all be striving to be faithful Catholics, not “traditionalists” or “liberals”.
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I don’t think that our dear Pope Benedict strives to annoy anyone. He has a job to do, and he can’t please everyone. And he doesn’t seem to mind if some Catholics refer to themselves as “traditionalists.” At least I’ve never seen that he has a problem with it.

I think that the next Pope will have a similar mindset to our Pope Benedict. The modernists from the 60’s are getting older and near retirement age, and many younger Catholics have an interest in reverence. I have hope.
 
OraLabora said:
I think the next Pope should strive to annoy both liberals and traditionalists, like Benedict XVI. 😃

If he succeeds, I think that would suggest he striking the right balance. People, especially Popes, should not be pigeonholed by labels and much less by ideology.

We should all be striving to be faithful Catholics, not “traditionalists” or “liberals”.
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That seems reasonable.

-MontChevalier
 
Nelka said:
Firstly, let’s prray the next Pope is not liberal when it comes to the church and faith.
Secondly, what on earth does EF and CITH mean?
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EF SAME as Extrordinary Form

CITH communion in the hand
 
Denise1957 said:
I don’t think that our dear Pope Benedict strives to annoy anyone. He has a job to do, and he can’t please everyone. And he doesn’t seem to mind if some Catholics refer to themselves as “traditionalists.” At least I’ve never seen that he has a problem with it.
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I was being facetious. I was thinking back at the time when we bought our house. After our offer was accepted we didn’t sleep all night, fretting we’d paid too much. I learned through a close relative of the seller, that they too spent the entire night fretting that they accepted too little. I figured if both of us were unhappy, then it must have been a pretty good deal 😉

My point was that the Pope doesn’t have to appeal to anybody in this or that camp. If both those who fancy themselves traditionalists and those who fancy themselves liberal are disappointed, it probably means that he will have struck the right balance.
Denise1957 said:
I think that the next Pope will have a similar mindset to our Pope Benedict. The modernists from the 60’s are getting older and near retirement age, and many younger Catholics have an interest in reverence. I have hope.
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See that’s the thing that drives me nuts, calling people “modernists”. Or “traditionalists”. Or “liberals” or whatever. There really is only one Church, one Faith, one Lord. Most of us, whatever label we fancy to attach to ourselves, or have been attached to us by others, are in imperfect communion with Christ and His Church. It behooves us to work on improving our own communion, rather than being concerned by that of others.

The Holy Spirit will continue to guide the next Holy Father. We have to have faith in that.
 
OraLabora said:
I was being facetious. I was thinking back at the time when we bought our house. After our offer was accepted we didn’t sleep all night, fretting we’d paid too much. I learned through a close relative of the seller, that they too spent the entire night fretting that they accepted too little. I figured if both of us were unhappy, then it must have been a pretty good deal 😉

My point was that the Pope doesn’t have to appeal to anybody in this or that camp. If both those who fancy themselves traditionalists and those who fancy themselves liberal are disappointed, it probably means that he will have struck the right balance.

See that’s the thing that drives me nuts, calling people “modernists”. Or “traditionalists”. Or “liberals” or whatever. There really is only one Church, one Faith, one Lord. Most of us, whatever label we fancy to attach to ourselves, or have been attached to us by others, are in imperfect communion with Christ and His Church. It behooves us to work on improving our own communion, rather than being concerned by that of others.

The Holy Spirit will continue to guide the next Holy Father. We have to have faith in that.
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Well, I’m a traditionalist, and I’m very happy with the Pope - not at all disappointed. Does this mean that he’s not striking the right balance?

I agree that the Holy Ghost will guise the next Holy Father, and I have faith in that.
 
Denise1957 said:
Well, I’m a traditionalist, and I’m very happy with the Pope - not at all disappointed. Does this mean that he’s not striking the right balance?

I agree that the Holy Ghost will guise the next Holy Father, and I have faith in that.
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I’m quite happy with the Pope myself. His policies sometimes give mixed reviews, but I think he’s done a splendid job regarding the upbringing of the Traditional Latin Mass.

-MontChevalier
 
Morgan_Hiver said:
Not to be grim. I pray that God may grant BXVI many mores years of life. However, I was thinking about this…Pope BXVI has rocked many boats with liberal and traditional Catholics alike. Some view him too modern and some claim he is bringing the church back to the middle ages. So, do you see the next Pope being a more liberal person trying to take the changes made by VII even further? Or perhaps a Pope who is unapologetic about his Catholic faith and all of the rich traditions that come with it?

I know a lot of the Bishops are not very supportive of the EF. There’s been crazy events when the faithful were scolded for not taking CITH, being told that kneeling is a mortal sin; Priests referring to mass as a meal, etc…

So, maybe since there are so many progressive thinkers that hold high positions in the church, we might end up with a modern Pope?

Scary to think that all the good that BXVI has done for the traditional minded could very well end with him.

Thoughts?
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Whew! When I saw this thread I thought the Pope had died.

Regarding the next Pope, I’m less concerned with conservative or liberal outlooks than presenting a good PR. I’ve a generally positive view of Benedict XVI, but he’s not a people person, and hope that the next Pope is a little more charismatic.
 
Bezant said:
Whew! When I saw this thread I thought the Pope had died.

Regarding the next Pope, I’m less concerned with conservative or liberal outlooks than presenting a good PR. I’ve a generally positive view of Benedict XVI, but he’s not a people person, and hope that the next Pope is a little more charismatic.
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Lol, I think that’s a point Benedict is trying to make. I think popes should be understated. Their actions should speak instead of their mouths. Benedict is very elusive and enigmatic, and I love that. John Paul was very outgoing, but I can’t help but think that turned him into a bit of a mascot of sorts for the press. I dunno.
 
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