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ha ha … that made me laugh.
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ha ha … that made me laugh.
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Are you sure you don’t work in south america on a Marijuana Plantation??
Just kidding
Are you in restauraunt work.? It’s pretty common there if they are not using heroin. Is the CEO smoking pot daily? There’s the question.
BTW- In my social work I did investigations so about 60% of the cases were people who did not need ongoing social services so when I said ALL walks of life it was really true. It wasn’t a small sample it was a wide, diverse sample of the population.
Thanks for the quote from the New Eng Journal of med-I would be interested to read a thread specifically on that topic if you started one.
And sorry to hear that your son was deliberately given vaccines that doctors should have known not to give him-ridiculous- I would be furious too.-beyond furious.
I am relieved to hear that marijuana used in states where it is legal is produced domestically although I still strongly disagree with that use.
God Bless
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I work in IT.
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Yes, it should be kept in mind. But so should it be kept in mind, that it is estimated that less than 10% of vaccine reactions are actually reported, usually poo pooed by doctor’s as “not related.” I find that easy to believe because most doctors are NOT AWARE of the adverse reactions in the first place. They know the spiel. They know the scare tactics. They know the risks of the diease they are supposed to prevent (sometimes) but I have never met one that knows the risks of the vaccines themselves, the actual ingredients of teh vaccines or the adverse reactions associated with each vaccine. Just the standard … “you can expect a mild fever and soreness or redness at the injection site, just give them a little tylenol” speech that is given by rote to EVERY patient regardless of current health status and medical history. I feel that doctors should be REQUIRED to have a thorough understanding of the vaccines themselves BEFORE being given the responsibility of injecting them. Otherwise, how can they know which children are at risk from the vaccine itself? I do not think tis is unreasonable. In any other profession we can expect expertise and knowledge. Why not pediatricians in the area of vaccines … that is the majority of their practice!!
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I think this states my opinion very clearly without the need for going into the risks/benefits of particular vaccines. I am really not interested in that. Do you think my above post is unreasonable?
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I will be needing to bow out of this thread for now. I have many pressing real life matters that must be addressed. Anyway, I stated my opinion, backed up my argument with reasonable and logical assertations. Even if you don’t agree with me, you can’t argue the validity of my claims or the rationality of my arguments. Which means … they are justifiable. Personally, I can’t fathom justifying and defending an organization that doesn’t give a hoot about you.
Just for fun, some of you can look up the involvement of Bayer in the Holocaust during World War II. If you don’t like the truth, then just forget this last sentence and proceed no further. Believe me, there is much I wish I could unlearn. It is just too ugly. But as the Bible says, “With knowledge comes much sorrow…”
Just for fun, some of you can look up the involvement of Bayer in the Holocaust during World War II. If you don’t like the truth, then just forget this last sentence and proceed no further. Believe me, there is much I wish I could unlearn. It is just too ugly. But as the Bible says, “With knowledge comes much sorrow…”
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http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/images/picture27[1].jpeNuremberg War Tribunal 1946/47: 24 managers of Hoechst, Bayer and BASF were indicted for mass murder, slavery and other crimes against humanity
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Last one, then I REALLY have to go … Do with the info what you will. 
Medical Experiments in Auschwitz Conducted by I.G. Farben
(from the book “I.G. Farben - from Anilin to forced labor” by Jörg Hunger and Paul Sander)
Scientific experiments were also done in other concentration camps. A decisive fact is that IG employee SS major Dr. med. Helmuth Vetter, stationed in several concentration camps, participated in these experiments by order of Bayer Leverkusen.
At the same time as Dr. Joseph Mengele, experimented in Auschwitz with medications that were designated “B-1012”, B-1034", “3382” or “Rutenol”. The test preparations were not only applied to those prisoners who were ill, but also to healthy ones. These people were first infected on purpose through pills, powdered substances, injections or enemas. Many of the medications caused the victims to vomit or have bloody diarrhoea. In most cases the prisoners died as a result of the experiments.
In the Auschwitz files correspondence was discovered between the camp commander and Bayer Leverkusen. It dealt with the sale of 150 female prisoners for experimental purposes: “With a view to the planned experiments with a new sleep-inducing drug we would appreciate it if you could place a number of prisoners at our disposal (…)” – “We confirm your response, but consider the price of 200 RM per woman to be too high. We propose to pay no more than 170 RM per woman. If this is acceptable to you, the women will be placed in our possession. We need some 150 women (…)” – “We confirm your approval of the agreement. Please prepare for us 150 women in the best health possible (…)” – “Received the order for 150 women. Despite their macerated condition they were considered satisfactory. We will keep you informed of the developments regarding the experiments (…)” – "The experiments were performed. All test persons died. We will contact you shortly about a new shipment (…)"
A former Auschwitz prisoner testified: “There was a large ward of tuberculars on block 20. The Bayer Company sent medications in unmarked and unnamed ampoules. The tuberculars were injected with this. These unfortunate people were never killed in the gas chambers. One only had to wait for them to die, which did not take long (…) 150 Jewish women that had been bought from the camp attendant by Bayer, (…) served for experiments with unknown hormonal preparations.”
Parallel to the tests by Behringwerke and Bayer Leverkusen the chemical-pharmaceutical and serologic-bacteriological department at Hoechst started experimenting on Auschwitz prisoners with their new typhus fever preparation “3582”. The first series of tests had results that were far from satisfactory. Of the 50 test persons 15 died; the typhus fever drug led to vomiting and exhaustion. Part of the Auschwitz concentration camp was quarantined, which led to an extension of the tests to the concentration camp in Buchenwald . In the journal of the “Department for typhus fever and viral research of the concentration camp Buchenwald” we find on January 10th, 1943: “As suggested by the IG Farbenindustrie A.G. the following were tested as typhus fever medications: a) preparation 3582 of the chem. pharm. and sero-bact. Department Hoechst – Prof. Lautenschläger and Dr. Weber – (therapeutic test A), b) methylene blue, formerly tested on mice by Prof. Kiekuth, Elberfeld (therapeutic test M).”
The first and also the second series of therapeutic tests, held in Buchenwald between March 31st and April 11th 1943 , were negative due to insufficient contamination of the tested prisoners. Neither did the experiments in Auschwitz show evident successes.
The scientific value of all these experiments, whether ordered by the IG Farben or not, was in fact zero. The test persons were in bad physical condition, caused by forced labor, insufficient and wrong nutrition and diseases in the concentration camp. In addition to this there were generally bad sanitary circumstances in the laboratories. “The test results in the concentration camps, as the IG laboratory specialists should have known, could not be compared to results made under normal circumstances”.
The SS physician Dr. Hoven testified to this during the Nuremberg Trial: “It should be generally known, and especially in German scientific circles, that the SS did not have notable scientists at its disposal. It is clear that the experiments in the concentration camps with IG preparations only took place in the interests of the IG, which strived with all means to determine the effectiveness of these preparations. They let the SS deal with the – shall I say – dirty work in the concentration camps. It was not the IG’s intention to make any of this public, but rather to put up a smoke screen around the experiments so that (…) they could keep any profits to themselves. Not the SS but the IG took the initiative for the concentration camp experiments.”
Medical Experiments in Auschwitz Conducted by I.G. Farben
(from the book “I.G. Farben - from Anilin to forced labor” by Jörg Hunger and Paul Sander)
Scientific experiments were also done in other concentration camps. A decisive fact is that IG employee SS major Dr. med. Helmuth Vetter, stationed in several concentration camps, participated in these experiments by order of Bayer Leverkusen.
At the same time as Dr. Joseph Mengele, experimented in Auschwitz with medications that were designated “B-1012”, B-1034", “3382” or “Rutenol”. The test preparations were not only applied to those prisoners who were ill, but also to healthy ones. These people were first infected on purpose through pills, powdered substances, injections or enemas. Many of the medications caused the victims to vomit or have bloody diarrhoea. In most cases the prisoners died as a result of the experiments.
In the Auschwitz files correspondence was discovered between the camp commander and Bayer Leverkusen. It dealt with the sale of 150 female prisoners for experimental purposes: “With a view to the planned experiments with a new sleep-inducing drug we would appreciate it if you could place a number of prisoners at our disposal (…)” – “We confirm your response, but consider the price of 200 RM per woman to be too high. We propose to pay no more than 170 RM per woman. If this is acceptable to you, the women will be placed in our possession. We need some 150 women (…)” – “We confirm your approval of the agreement. Please prepare for us 150 women in the best health possible (…)” – “Received the order for 150 women. Despite their macerated condition they were considered satisfactory. We will keep you informed of the developments regarding the experiments (…)” – "The experiments were performed. All test persons died. We will contact you shortly about a new shipment (…)"
A former Auschwitz prisoner testified: “There was a large ward of tuberculars on block 20. The Bayer Company sent medications in unmarked and unnamed ampoules. The tuberculars were injected with this. These unfortunate people were never killed in the gas chambers. One only had to wait for them to die, which did not take long (…) 150 Jewish women that had been bought from the camp attendant by Bayer, (…) served for experiments with unknown hormonal preparations.”
Parallel to the tests by Behringwerke and Bayer Leverkusen the chemical-pharmaceutical and serologic-bacteriological department at Hoechst started experimenting on Auschwitz prisoners with their new typhus fever preparation “3582”. The first series of tests had results that were far from satisfactory. Of the 50 test persons 15 died; the typhus fever drug led to vomiting and exhaustion. Part of the Auschwitz concentration camp was quarantined, which led to an extension of the tests to the concentration camp in Buchenwald . In the journal of the “Department for typhus fever and viral research of the concentration camp Buchenwald” we find on January 10th, 1943: “As suggested by the IG Farbenindustrie A.G. the following were tested as typhus fever medications: a) preparation 3582 of the chem. pharm. and sero-bact. Department Hoechst – Prof. Lautenschläger and Dr. Weber – (therapeutic test A), b) methylene blue, formerly tested on mice by Prof. Kiekuth, Elberfeld (therapeutic test M).”
The first and also the second series of therapeutic tests, held in Buchenwald between March 31st and April 11th 1943 , were negative due to insufficient contamination of the tested prisoners. Neither did the experiments in Auschwitz show evident successes.
The scientific value of all these experiments, whether ordered by the IG Farben or not, was in fact zero. The test persons were in bad physical condition, caused by forced labor, insufficient and wrong nutrition and diseases in the concentration camp. In addition to this there were generally bad sanitary circumstances in the laboratories. “The test results in the concentration camps, as the IG laboratory specialists should have known, could not be compared to results made under normal circumstances”.
The SS physician Dr. Hoven testified to this during the Nuremberg Trial: “It should be generally known, and especially in German scientific circles, that the SS did not have notable scientists at its disposal. It is clear that the experiments in the concentration camps with IG preparations only took place in the interests of the IG, which strived with all means to determine the effectiveness of these preparations. They let the SS deal with the – shall I say – dirty work in the concentration camps. It was not the IG’s intention to make any of this public, but rather to put up a smoke screen around the experiments so that (…) they could keep any profits to themselves. Not the SS but the IG took the initiative for the concentration camp experiments.”
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I agree with you on this one but I don’t think we should let anti-vaccine hysteria and myth cloud our judgment. I also find it pretty humorous that a lot of people opposed to vaccination don’t mind stuffing their faces with genetically modified food. There’s never been a study to determine the long term effects of the consumption of GMF and there’s only been one study on the short term effects on humans which included a measly seven participants.
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I agree with you on this one but I don’t think we should let anti-vaccine hysteria and myth cloud our judgment.
Yes, you’re right. i fel that having doctors be more knowledgable in the areas of vaccines could help foster trust in a skeptical (rightly so!) segment of the population. If peoples reasons stem from distrust, then it would be wise to spend the time and resources to become more trustworthy then to alienate them even more. I know many people that feel their doctors are not knowledgable enough about vaccines and received their education on vaccines over lunch with a pharmaceutical rep. If there was a more customized approach to vaccines, and a demonstratable knowledge onthe part of teh doctors. I believe more people would vaccinate, instead of expecting them to swallow a watermelon and telling them its a grape.
Personally, I don’t understand how having the doctor be nothing more than a middle man for the pharmaceutical companies is expected to inspire trust and confidence in the peds (pharmas) vaccine recommendations.Seriously. I believe they should be throughly trained by someone other than the pharmacuetical reps when it comes to vaccines. I don’t need a commercial, I need a doctor who can use the information he has learned ALONG WITH HIS BRAIN … why am I paying for a parrot?
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Because of faults in the healthcare reform bills, the USCCB is issuing a mandatory bulletin insert for this weekend urging opposition to the current healthcare reform bills.
Bishops Call for Unprecedented, Massive Catholic Opposition to Abortion in Health Care Reform @ Catholic Online (www.catholic.org) catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=34735
Also look up the links in the article for up to the date information.
God bless!
Bishops Call for Unprecedented, Massive Catholic Opposition to Abortion in Health Care Reform @ Catholic Online (www.catholic.org) catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=34735
Also look up the links in the article for up to the date information.
God bless!
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