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Let us pretend in 2016 the candidates were Hitler for the Republican Party and Stalin for the Democratic part, lets also pretend the Libertarians were still fielding Johnson and the Greens fielding Stein, now, who do you vote for?
Really, though, what have Republicans done to reduce the amount of Abortions? Bush didn’t outlaw it. Reagan didn’t. George H.W. Bush didn’t. Nor Nixon or Ford.

Are they really the pro-life party?
They can’t, it take a constitutional amendment
 
Let us pretend in 2016 the candidates were Hitler for the Republican Party and Stalin for the Democratic part, lets also pretend the Libertarians were still fielding Johnson and the Greens fielding Stein, now, who do you vote for?
I cannot vote simply because I am a minor (a reasonable restriction indeed). Well, the Greens are too far-left and support practically unrestricted abortion nonetheless (so much for being “peaceful” and “accepting”). If worst came to worst, I’d vote for a Libertarian… though reluctantly.

Also, I was laughing solely at your “Vote for Cthulu” image! It’s funny, especially with his hand gesture.
 
Really, though, what have Republicans done to reduce the amount of Abortions? Bush didn’t outlaw it. Reagan didn’t. George H.W. Bush didn’t. Nor Nixon or Ford.

Are they really the pro-life party?
It’s easy to look at what Bush Jr did…he signed the PBA act (banning a certain gruesome type of abortion). He appointed two justices who do not legislate from the bench. It’s actually easier to pass the laws at the state level - and most republican governors are fairly reliable in this case. Democrat governors tend to veto ANYTHING that would take away blood money from Planned Parenthood.

I doubt Johnson would sign legislation taking away planned parenthood’s 500+ MILLION dollars in tax money.

perhaps we should all look at this:

ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
 
Let us pretend in 2016 the candidates were Hitler for the Republican Party and Stalin for the Democratic part, lets also pretend the Libertarians were still fielding Johnson and the Greens fielding Stein, now, who do you vote for?

They can’t, it take a constitutional amendment
Hmm. It takes a super-majority to pass an amendment. I guess Republicans have never had a super majority?
 
It’s easy to look at what Bush Jr did…he signed the PBA act (banning a certain gruesome type of abortion).
But we still have Abortions…
He appointed two justices who do not legislate from the bench. It’s actually easier to pass the laws at the state level - and most republican governors are fairly reliable in this case.
In the past, Governor Johnson said that he would leave it up to the states to ban abortion. Maybe he still holds to that. If so, that could be good.
Democrat governors tend to veto ANYTHING that would take away blood money from Planned Parenthood.
Not the Democratic Governor of my state. He has signed some of the toughest abortion laws in the nation. He is very pro life and Catholic.
 
But we still have Abortions…
It would not be simple to just ban them. Imagine all of the leftist and ultra-radical feminists who would have political and even violent (look at the leftist movements, they riot: Black Lives Matter, for instance) protestations. We must go one step at a time.
 
What is the point of voting third party when your vote will essentially have zero effect on the outcome of the election?

You might just as well dump medicine down your sink and hope it reaches children in Africa to help them.
What’s the point of voting for Clinton if you live in Texas or Trump if you live in California? What’s the point of voting for someone who is way behind in the polls? We don’t vote based on who we think can win, we vote based on who we think should win.

If everyone who said “I would vote third party but they can’t win” would actually vote third party, they would probably start winning!
 
I cannot vote simply because I am a minor (a reasonable restriction indeed). Well, the Greens are too far-left and support practically unrestricted abortion nonetheless (so much for being “peaceful” and “accepting”). If worst came to worst, I’d vote for a Libertarian… though reluctantly.

Also, I was laughing solely at your “Vote for Cthulu” image! It’s funny, especially with his hand gesture.
In a hypothetical with Hitler and Stalin running I think we can pretend you can vote.

If you really look into the Democratic and Republican candidates they aren’t that far off. Trump advocates war crimes and defrauding the poor whereas Clinton is a hawk who supported the Honduran coup and then told the child refugees who showed up at our border, sorry you can’t come unless the people who killed your parents fill out the proper paperwork. Her server was also so poorly done that the Russians and Chinese most likely compromised it stealing state secrets.
Hmm. It takes a super-majority to pass an amendment. I guess Republicans have never had a super majority?
Pretty sure there has never been a Republican supermajority in the history of the US
 
What’s the point of voting for Clinton if you live in Texas or Trump if you live in California? What’s the point of voting for someone who is way behind in the polls? We don’t vote based on who we think can win, we vote based on who we think should win.

If everyone who said “I would vote third party but they can’t win” would actually vote third party, they would probably start winning!
Very good point. And even if they didn’t, if a third party started polling high enough, people might finally start paying attention to them in the next election, rather than reflexively voting for Democrats or Republicans. There’s nothing in our system that says we have to have just 2 major parties.
 
What’s the point of voting for Clinton if you live in Texas or Trump if you live in California?
I’ve always wondered that. I live in Louisiana. It’s like, whats the point of even voting in Presidential elections? We all know that the majority of the populace will vote for the Republican and all the electoral votes will go to the Republican. So it kind of makes voting for anyone other than the Republican kind of useless.

At least in other races, like those for U.S. Senator in Louisiana, or Congressman, you have a chance to influence the election.
 
I’ve always wondered that. I live in Louisiana. It’s like, whats the point of even voting in Presidential elections? We all know that the majority of the populace will vote for the Republican and all the electoral votes will go to the Republican. So it kind of makes voting for anyone other than the Republican kind of useless.

At least in other races, like those for U.S. Senator in Louisiana, or Congressman, you have a chance to influence the election.
If enough vote for the Libertarian party then they might actually start getting attention which can allow them to actually win seats, if they secure even 10% of Congress then they can start to play kingmaker on bills.
 
Not surprising given Johnson is a liberal on social issues.
He appears to be taking away either an “even” amount of support from Trump and Clinton or actually more Clinton according to that article I posted.

If Johnson takes even a small amount that would either otherwise go to Clinton or Trump, that could decide who wins the presidency.
 
If enough vote for the Libertarian party then they might actually start getting attention which can allow them to actually win seats, if they secure even 10% of Congress then they can start to play kingmaker on bills.
The libertarian never really gets a lot of support in my state. So its hard to get them elected when no one wants to elect them.
 
What’s the point of voting for Clinton if you live in Texas or Trump if you live in California? What’s the point of voting for someone who is way behind in the polls? We don’t vote based on who we think can win, we vote based on who we think should win.

If everyone who said “I would vote third party but they can’t win” would actually vote third party, they would probably start winning!
This is not a compelling argument, and I disagree with your foundational premise that: “We don’t vote based on who we think can win, we vote based on who we think should win.”

We do, and we must vote for the person who we think can win AND should win, taking the candidates that are viable into consideration. You look at it as black and white, but fail to see the context by saying that “we vote based on who we think should win”. No, we have to consider the circumstances, look at the possible consequences of one candidate or the other, and decide with all factors considered.
 
Essentially what you are saying is that he is no different than so-called “pro-life” Democrats who are “personally opposed”. I think I’ll pass on that. I’ve seen this story play out before.

In my opinion, the best a 3rd party candidate can do this election cycle is to help steer future elections. If Gary Johnson, who isn’t pro-life, has a good showing this November, it will not move the major parties towards the life issue. If anything it’ll show that the pro-life issue is done in politics. Of course if a pro-life 3rd party candidate makes waves this fall, then maybe the major parties will take notice and embrace the issue more than they are now.
He’s quite different in that those Democrats also want to force you and everyone else to pay for abortion and want to prohibit states from banning it. Johnson is far from perfect, but he’s getting my vote.
 
What is the point of voting third party when your vote will essentially have zero effect on the outcome of the election?

You might just as well dump medicine down your sink and hope it reaches children in Africa to help them.
He has a pretty good chance if he gets into the debates.
 
What’s the point of voting for Clinton if you live in Texas or Trump if you live in California? What’s the point of voting for someone who is way behind in the polls? We don’t vote based on who we think can win, we vote based on who we think should win.

If everyone who said “I would vote third party but they can’t win” would actually vote third party, they would probably start winning!
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