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Liberal != leftist.
In a traditional polar world yes. But Johnson’s stances on many other issues would be an anathema to those on the traditional left and would place him squarely on the right. Indeed both Johnson and Weld are former Republicans, so it’s not like they’re generally considered traditional liberals.
 
What is the point of voting third party when your vote will essentially have zero effect on the outcome of the election?

You might just as well dump medicine down your sink and hope it reaches children in Africa to help them.
Looking at the polls in my state (Idaho). The polls in my state are solidly projecting to go to Trump, I honestly don’t feel any logical need to add my additional vote for him. Especially since I have such strong moral reservations against both of these candidates, I feel that adding my vote to somebody that I absolutely dont believe in is a wasted vote. So, Im voting my conscience…looking at both Johnson and others who have announced their campaign.
 
He appears to be taking away either an “even” amount of support from Trump and Clinton or actually more Clinton according to that article I posted.

If Johnson takes even a small amount that would either otherwise go to Clinton or Trump, that could decide who wins the presidency.
One state to watch in particular is Florida:

Clinton (45%) +2.2 over Trump (42.8%)

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html

Clinton (43%) +1.6 over Trump (41.4%), Johnson (4.4%), Stein (2.4%).

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5963.html
 
What is the point of voting third party when your vote will essentially have zero effect on the outcome of the election?

You might just as well dump medicine down your sink and hope it reaches children in Africa to help them.
Will it have zero effect ?

In the past it did, but in the past we didn’t have two pathetic candidates as the nominees of both parties this time.

Essentially, the GOP is finished in this election.

Jim
 
Hmm. It takes a super-majority to pass an amendment. I guess Republicans have never had a super majority?
Not only they never had a super majority but not a super majority who would ban all abortions.

Most of the GOP members in Congress pay lip service as far as being pro-life, but know that the SCOTUS has made Roe V Wade law in 1973, and has cemented that ruling in their last session ruling against the law in Texas on Physicians, saying the law was designed to prohibit abortions.

Jim
 
Really, though, what have Republicans done to reduce the amount of Abortions? Bush didn’t outlaw it. Reagan didn’t. George H.W. Bush didn’t. Nor Nixon or Ford.

Are they really the pro-life party?
When the republicans did not ban funding for Planned Parenthood after that baby parts scandal, I lost my faith in the pro-lifeness of the GOP.
 
I would like to vote Libertarian but they are against religious conscience exceptions, e.g., forcing Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for gays. Apparently Johnson’s reasoning is that once you allow one exception that opens the floodgates for anyone to discriminate against anyone they want to.
 
Also, as a Libertarian he is of the opinion that the government should not interfere and that things should be left to the states. So I would think if any issue of abortion were to come across his desk he would make sure that it was left to each state to decide.
Which was essentially Justice Scalia’s position. Or so I heard.
 
Hmm. It takes a super-majority to pass an amendment. I guess Republicans have never had a super majority?
Ultimately amendments need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. The issue can be brought up by 2/3rd of the states (constitutional convention) and Congress need not even be involved. Don’t let any politician tell you otherwise.
 
Ultimately amendments need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. The issue can be brought up by 2/3rd of the states (constitutional convention) and Congress need not even be involved. Don’t let any politician tell you otherwise.
I wonder why the pro-life cause hasn’t been taken up by any of the state legislatures/Governors? (Genuinely asking)
 
I wonder why the pro-life cause hasn’t been taken up by any of the state legislatures/Governors? (Genuinely asking)
Because they just don’t care. Can the unborn give money to the state? No. Can the unborn vote for you? No. Can the unborn hold to your political views? No. Then why defend them?! That’s a perfectly consistent line of logic for any politician. Of course, there are those who do care, but we cannot prove something so subjective.

However, I’m sure we could counter by saying that because they can’t do those things, their lives are all the more precious – they wouldn’t be able to grow up to do those things if we cannot defend them! 😦
 
Because they just don’t care. Can the unborn give money to the state? No. Can the unborn vote for you? No. Can the unborn hold to your political views? No. Then why defend them?! That’s a perfectly consistent line of logic for any politician. Of course, there are those who do care, but we cannot prove something so subjective.

However, I’m sure we could counter by saying that because they can’t do those things, their lives are all the more precious – they wouldn’t be able to grow up to do those things if we cannot defend them! 😦
I’d say there are many arguments that allowing these children to live are in the national interest. (Not arguing with you, just countering the views of the pro-choice politicians)
 
He has a pretty good chance if he gets into the debates.
No, he doesn’t. There’s no chance. The **vast **majority of voters will be going for either Trump or Hillary.
Will it have zero effect ?

In the past it did, but in the past we didn’t have two pathetic candidates as the nominees of both parties this time.

Essentially, the GOP is finished in this election.

Jim
The GOP has, indeed, suffered some serious hits; and Republicans everywhere are rejoicing to finally hear a loud voice condemning the Republican establishment. What we’re seeing right now is an upheaval which will redefine what the Republican party is.

Conservatives are sick and tired of hearing half-baked conservative establishment leaders pandering to liberals to save their own careers.

Putting all that aside, though, you have not made a compelling argument for why all this turmoil gives a third party candidate any chance whatsoever of winning the election.
 
As of June 20, 2016, Gary Johnson has raised $699,231.78. This candidacy is not viable.
 
I would like to vote Libertarian but they are against religious conscience exceptions, e.g., forcing Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for gays. Apparently Johnson’s reasoning is that once you allow one exception that opens the floodgates for anyone to discriminate against anyone they want to.
Actually Johnson’s website says that choices have to be left up to the individual without government interference.

This would mean that the baker who has a problem with making a cake for a gay couple’s wedding, would have the right to do so.

Of course the problem will be with the Supreme Court which rules that the baker must serve the gay couple.

Jim
 
One thing Johnson has that they other two don’t when it comes to immigration and illegals, is that as Governor of New Mexico, he has experience dealing with the issue.

He opposes building a wall, which he said will not work anyway, but supports comprehensive immigration reform so that migrant workers and visitors can
come and go easier.

I have to yield to his knowledge on the issue, for I have no idea what he had to deal with as Governor.

Jim
 
I’d say there are many arguments that allowing these children to live are in the national interest. (Not arguing with you, just countering the views of the pro-choice politicians)
The Libertarian Party platform includes the right to life. What we need to do as a society is to recognize that life begins at conception. Many don’t.
 
The Libertarian Party platform includes the right to life. What we need to do as a society is to recognize that life begins at conception. Many don’t.
The Libertarian platform’s “right to life” is only a right to life for those already breathing air. In fact they explicitly exclude the unborn by their acknowledgment that the government should not get involved in deciding the abortion question, but should leave it up to the individuals to decide for themselves. Read what their platform says about abortion.
 
No, he doesn’t. There’s no chance. The **vast **majority of voters will be going for either Trump or Hillary.

The GOP has, indeed, suffered some serious hits; and Republicans everywhere are rejoicing to finally hear a loud voice condemning the Republican establishment. What we’re seeing right now is an upheaval which will redefine what the Republican party is.

Conservatives are sick and tired of hearing half-baked conservative establishment leaders pandering to liberals to save their own careers.

Putting all that aside, though, you have not made a compelling argument for why all this turmoil gives a third party candidate any chance whatsoever of winning the election.
The idea of a third party is to keep the other ones honest and to call them out on their negative campaigning, which is all we’re hearing.
 
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