Gary Johnson Thread

[JimR-OCDS]

Check this out.

You can bet the Democrats and Republicans, will do everything they can to keep Gary Johnson off the stage in the debates.

Right now, Hillary has name recognition and gender to win against Trump and wouldn’t have to debate him at all.

Jim

 

[Maxirad]

Right now, Hillary has name recognition and gender to win against Trump and wouldn’t have to debate him at all.

I’ve been praying that Hillary will not be elected President of the United States of America this fall. However, I can’t say that I will be voting for Gary Johnson. I plan to reluctantly vote for Trump.

 

[chero23]

I do hope Johnson makes it in the debates. I hope his poll numbers go up and lights a fire in the demoxrats and republicans, Both parties always talk about the people, but always fight like little kids. If Johnson were to move up on the polls, and even compete in a handful of states, maybe, just maybe, both parties will grow up.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I do hope Johnson makes it in the debates. I hope his poll numbers go up and lights a fire in the demoxrats and republicans, Both parties always talk about the people, but always fight like little kids. If Johnson were to move up on the polls, and even compete in a handful of states, maybe, just maybe, both parties will grow up.

I doubt very much that Johnson will make it to the debate. I just doubt he will get to 15%.

 

[Deus_tecum]

IMO a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a non-vote. They have zero chance of winning. It may serve the purpose of assuaging one’s conscience I suppose. To vote is to participate in the election, and the third party choice can certainly not do any damage since he will never win the office.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

IMO a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a non-vote. They have zero chance of winning. It may serve the purpose of assuaging one’s conscience I suppose. To vote is to participate in the election, and the third party choice can certainly not do any damage since he will never win the office.

Given the sheer hatred of the candidates if 50% of the population say they won’t vote for a candidate and they can’t win then they won’t win, whereas if those people voted for a third party candidate they could absolutely win. If everyone who was voting for Trump solely to vote against Clinton and everyone who voted for Clinton solely to vote against Trump instead voted for Johnson he would win an outright majority of the vote.

 

[oliver927]

I just read this article and was surprised to learn that Johnson supports a carbon tax, um, I mean fee…

I do believe that climate change is occurring. I do believe that it is man-caused,” Johnson said.

To address climate change, Johnson said he believes “that there can be and is a free-market approach to climate change.”

That would include a fee — not a tax, he said — placed on carbon. Such a fee would make pollutants bear a market cost.

“We as human beings want to see carbon emissions reduced significantly,” but at the same time, he says the United States is only “16 percent of the (global) load” of carbon, and “I don’t want to do anything that harms jobs.”

I fail to see how a government imposed “fee” can be seen as free market and how charging a “fee” will do anything but make things more expensive for businesses and ultimately the consumer.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I just read this article and was surprised to learn that Johnson supports a carbon tax, um, I mean fee…

I fail to see how a government imposed “fee” can be seen as free market and how charging a “fee” will do anything but make things more expensive for businesses and ultimately the consumer.

Well, that’s very non-Libertarian of him to hold such a position. Seems he’s much closer to a Democrat than a Republican considering he’s a social liberal and appears to be a moderate rather than conservative on fiscal issues.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I just read this article and was surprised to learn that Johnson supports a carbon tax, um, I mean fee…

I fail to see how a government imposed “fee” can be seen as free market and how charging a “fee” will do anything but make things more expensive for businesses and ultimately the consumer.

Would you characterize it as free market or anti-free market to ban a company from dumping arsenic in a river upstream from a reservoir? The purpose is to capture externalities to remediate harmful effects on the property of other people.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Right now both campaigns, Trump and Hillary, are doing nothing other than attack each other, trying to prove who’s the bigger liar, bigot, nut job whatever.

How can anyone vote for either is beyond me.

Lesser of two evils doesn’t count when voting for evil. It’s still evil.

Jim

 

[anon67074017]

I think that Gary Johnson is better than Hillary, but I have two problems with him. I oppose his support for abortion and same-sex marriage. I say this as a conservative libertarian. Gary Johnson is a liberal libertarian.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I think that Gary Johnson is better than Hillary, but I have two problems with him. I oppose his support for abortion and same-sex marriage. I say this as a conservative libertarian. Gary Johnson is a liberal libertarian.

My concern is that if Gary Johnson gets to 15%, his brand of Libertarianism is what the Libertarian party will morph into since his brand will be seen as the winning combination: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, etc.

 

[Bill_Martin]

My concern is that if Gary Johnson gets to 15%, his brand of Libertarianism is what the Libertarian party will morph into since his brand will be seen as the winning combination: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, etc.

I don’t think so. The libertarian segment of the Republican party is disgusted with Trump and is jumping ship to the LP. They’re more like Rand Paul than Johnson.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I don’t think so. The libertarian segment of the Republican party is disgusted with Trump and is jumping ship to the LP. They’re more like Rand Paul than Johnson.

And the reason the liberal Gary Johnson won the nomination is…?

Certainly the libertarian segment of the Republican Party isn’t flocking to Johnson right?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

My concern is that if Gary Johnson gets to 15%, his brand of Libertarianism is what the Libertarian party will morph into since his brand will be seen as the winning combination: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, etc.

But he’s not pro-abortion pro-gay marriage.

He’s merely opposed to the government involvement in making laws prohibiting these things, but prefers to see the individuals follow their own beliefs.

So, he would be opposed to the taxpayers paying for abortion, or for bakers to be forced vial lawsuits into making cakes which they find morally offensive.

Jim

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

But he’s not pro-abortion…

He explicitly stated on his web site that he is pro-abortion. Not sure you can get more pro-abortion than that. Sorry, I’ll pass.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

He explicitly stated on his web site that he is pro-abortion. Not sure you can get more pro-abortion than that. Sorry, I’ll pass.

From his website:

On a personal level, Gary Johnson believes in the sanctity of the life of the unborn. As Governor, he supported efforts to ban late-term abortions.

However, Gov. Johnson recognizes that the right of a woman to choose is the law of the land, and has been for several decades. That right must be respected and despite his personal aversion to abortion, he believes that such a very personal and individual decision is best left to women and families, not the government. He feels that each woman must be allowed to make decisions about her own health and well-being and that the government should not be in the business of second guessing these difficult decisions.

Gov. Johnson feels strongly that women seeking to exercise their legal right must not be subjected to prosecution or denied access to health services by politicians in Washington, or anywhere else.

That’s not “pro-abortion,” he does not promote or support abortion.

He wants the government out of it, which is a pro-choice decision which is pretty much how things have stood for the past 43 years.

Jim

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

From his website:

That’s not “pro-abortion,” he does not promote or support abortion.

He wants the government out of it, which is a pro-choice decision which is pretty much how things have stood for the past 43 years.

Jim

As you just quoted, he explicitly favors abortion rights. I get it - he wouldn’t personally kill an unborn baby, even though he’s just fine with someone else committing that crime against humanity.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

As you just quoted, he explicitly favors abortion rights. I get it - he wouldn’t personally kill an unborn baby, even though he’s just fine with someone else committing that crime against humanity.

You’re rhetoric misrepresents his position.

He doesn’t favor abortion rights, but acknowledges that they are the law of the land and will not oppose them.

Compare this to Hillary who wants to end the Hyde Amendment, or force 3rd world nations to make abortion legal if they want US aid ?

That’s pro-abortion.

Johnson’s understanding that changing the law as they stand, can not be done, so he’ll not try to, is not pro-abortion, but just accepting the political reality we live in.

Jim

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

You’re rhetoric misrepresents his position.

Here’s his position (from your quote):

That right must be respected and despite his personal aversion to abortion, he believes that such a very personal and individual decision is best left to women and families, not the government. He feels that each woman must be allowed to make decisions about her own health and well-being and that the government should not be in the business of second guessing these difficult decisions.

I call that pro-murder of unborn babies. Sure, he wouldn’t personally do it. But he’s fine with someone else doing the deed. People are free to see it otherwise if they feel compelled to do so.