Gather Us In hymn

[ProudPapa1988]

gin to doubt their Church and their own faith, and end up “accepting Jesus into their heart as their personal Savior” and getting re-baptized by immersion, and will in all likelihood start attending a Protestant church (and also in all likelihood will end up church-hopping as they seek a church where they can be “fed.”)

I would bet my Christmas candy that many CAF members know Catholics who

Tell this to the 23 sui juris Eastern Catholic Churches who catechize through the Divine Liturgy. And not by holding classes during the Liturgy, the Liturgy ITSELF is the catechism. If the priests in your diocese say the Mass is not the place for teaching than I’d ask them to clarify what they mean. Is it the place to hold an RCIA class? Of course not. But it is certainly a place for learning the faith. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Joe_5859]

Thanks. I’m a bit skeptical, though. I haven’t been able to confirm that Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the preface to the book (Amazon France lists “Silvio Oddi” as the author of the preface, but I know that Amazon doesn’t always get these things correct—they list Yves Congar as co-author for one of Mike Aquilina’s books).

But even assuming Ratzinger wrote this and assuming that whoever translated this into English did it correctly, these comments are referring to artificial liturgical innovations, not the Novus Ordo as a whole.

 

[GospelOfMatthew]

I like the song as welll as the Mass of Creation but the reason why a good amount of people don’t like them (and it’s understandable) is that Marty Haugen wrote both and he’s pretty open his views on gay marriage which aren’t in line with the Catholic Church at all. He also has some other views counter to the teachings of the Church.

So while I do appreciate the musical renditions of these songs, if a priest did not want them played during mass I would understand why

 

[Fauken]

I would also note that the first “half” of the Mass is called the “Mass of the Catechumens” for a reason. Catechumens were dismissed before the Offeratory, and if the homilies were like those I’ve heard at EF parishes, were soaked in lessons on what the Church teaches, why, and how to apply them to our lives.

 

[Loud-living-dogma]

So, here’s the thing. I think you’re forgetting about Catholic schools. I think we all know that they were more effective before Vatican II, then the teaching became significantly watered down during the 1960s and 1970s. I think they are getting better in some places now. My own kids who went to parochial school can run rings around our non-denominational neighbor kids.