Gay Christians, controversial nun among those set to greet Pope Francis

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True. And most members are also not like Thomas Williams who secretly had a child while he was still a priest and then left the priesthood to marry the woman he was having an affair with and then turned around and criticized a divorced gay bishop for being included on the guest list to greet the Pope. 🤷
There’s that judgy talk we talked about.
 
There’s that judgy talk we talked about.
Well, I’m glad to hear that you’re not willing to judge any of the people on the guest list to greet the Pope (or any of the people in the media who judged them) which in my opinion is the best approach to take and should be an example for everyone here at CAF 🙂
 
Look forward to see the Pope’s reaction. I hope there is more respect from those who are there than this blatant showing of hate and disregard.
 
IMO, Pope Francis is being used to advance Obama’s political ends.
I think you may be giving the President too much power and the Pope (and by extension, the Holy Spirit) not enough.
 
Look forward to see the Pope’s reaction. I hope there is more respect from those who are there than this blatant showing of hate and disregard.
I agree. My guess is that during the reception (15,000!), people who actually get to say something to the Pope will tell their stories, and the Pope in return will listen. What I know of Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, who has been a friend of the White House, is that he may be introduced intentionally. We have no idea what will be said, but both will be gracious, I am certain.
 
Posts by sallybutler:

#129 Would this be right after [Jesus] said something about those without sin? There would be no one in the room to see what he told the public sinners.

#145 I think you may be giving the President too much power and the Pope (and by extension, the Holy Spirit) not enough.​

Sally, why do you consistently take the side of President Obama even though he has demonstrated his anti-Catholic, in-your-face pro-contraception/abortion/homosexuality positions?

Women and the poor have lost ground economically under his regime in America, and Christians in the Mideast are suffering genocide due directly and predictably to his actions and policies.

He lied to our Bishops and the American people in order to take away (i.e., socialize) our once a-religious healthcare system in exchange for votes from his base, has insulted Catholics during a prayer breakfast–A PRAYER BREAKFAST–for Pete’s sake, wants to fine the Little Sisters of the Poor for refusing to buy healthcare with contraception coverage, ordered the removal of crucifixes from the area of his speeches at Notre Dame and Georgetown, etc.

People would laugh in disbelief if that were a movie script, but even after Obama’s latest diplomatic crudity, here you are running to his aid. Why?

BTW, regarding your post #145, what makes you think the Holy Spirit makes a Pope infallible during chit chat and off-the-cuff remarks? Viz:

“Interviews are not my forte,” then-Cardinal Bergoglio once remarked, and for that reason he seldom sat down to speak on the record with reporters. When two journalists sought a formal interview, he advised them to publish excerpts from his sermons and essays instead. (A Call to Serve: Pope Francis and the Catholic Future; Crossroad, von Kempis/Lawler, 2013). And this: "During one more informal exchange with reporters, on his flight out to Sri Lanka, Pope Francis confessed to another personal weakness: ‘You know, I have a shortcoming: a healthy dose of recklessness’.” catholicculture.org/comme…tn.cfm?id=1072
 
If I know Pope Francis as well as I think I do, he’ll show nothing but the utmost respect for each guest’s dignity as a human being and a child of God, regardless of how sinful we may consider them to be. If anyone wants him to publicly shame a controversial nun or a transgender woman, they’ll only be disappointed. I feel as though his preferred approach to these types of situations is to see the person as one of God’s beloved and treat them accordingly. It isn’t always helpful to correct a person at every possible opportunity.

They know what the Church teaches, that’s why they’re there. But Pope Francis will not falter on Catholic doctrine, and yet neither will he force these people out of his presence. They will receive acceptance and charity from the Holy Father, but they will not find the affirmation they so obviously seek. The Church does not bow to the whims of those who disagree with Her. If Nero couldn’t destroy the Church in its infancy, a few liberal guests certainly won’t today.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I also think Obama is a creep for going out of his way to maneuver Pope Francis into a hoped for awkward situation.

I view this as a disrespectful and smarmy anti-Catholic resorting to underhanded gutter-tactics purely out of spite.

And of course Obama will smile and pretend otherwise.:rolleyes:
 
Dear KSU,

I have more faith in God and the Church and the Pope than I do in the President. I do not think the President is the cause of all evil much as I didn’t think President Bush was the cause of all evil. I think that God and the Church will prevail. I will admit I get annoyed when people act as if the President can convince the Pope to go against the teachings of the Church just by shaking his hand.

President bashing gets tiring after a while. We are called to pray, say our piece, than shake the dust off our feet and move on. I am just suggesting we should pray for the President and trust God. Which is the hardest thing to do, isn’t it?
 
Women and the poor have lost ground economically under his regime in America, and Christians in the Mideast are suffering genocide due directly and predictably to his actions and policies.
There are millions of poor people (some with serious health problems) who now have health care coverage and had none at all before. I know some of them personally.

As for the plight of Christians in the Middle East, President Bush has much more responsibility for this than Obama because of the turmoil and instability unleashed in that region of the world by his invasion of Iraq.
 
There are millions of poor people (some with serious health problems) who now have health care coverage and had none at all before. I know some of them personally.
30 million uninsured before and 30 million uninsured afterwards.
As for the plight of Christians in the Middle East, President Bush has much more responsibility for this than Obama because of the turmoil and instability unleashed in that region of the world by his invasion of Iraq.
So when Nixon took over Johnson’s war in Viet Nam, Johnson has the responsibility of for what went wrong there? Do I understand this correctly?

Christians were not persecuted until the Arab Spring which was during the Obama administration whom actively encourgaed Mubarak to step down only to see Coptic Christians persecuted in Egypt?

Likewise, no one ever heard of ISIS until about 2013, 2014 and so? This is Bush’s fault who left off in 2009? Really? 5 years after Bush left office? Boy, that’s fair.

Iraq was somewhat stable when Obama came into office, to say what happened is Bush’s fault is obscene.

We might as well say it’s Clinton’s fault in that Clinton was not enforcing the treaty with Saddam’s Iraq.
 
30 million uninsured before and 30 million uninsured afterwards.
Washington (CNN)About 16.4 million people have gained health insurance coverage since the Affordable Care Act became law nearly five years ago, according to government estimates released Monday.
The coverage gains have delivered the largest drop in the uninsured rate in four decades, bringing that rate down to 13.2% by the end of the first quarter of 2015, the Department of Health and Human Services announced Monday. That’s down from about 20% before the health insurance marketplaces launched in late 2013.
Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell said the numbers prove “the Affordable Care Act is working, and families, businesses and taxpayers are better off as a result.”
Burwell credited the drop to key provisions of Obama’s signature health reform law, from the expansion of Medicaid to new tax credits and a provision allowing young people under 26 to stay on their parents’ health care plans.
About 2.3 million of the 16.4 million who have gained coverage under Obamacare are adults under 26 who were able to remain on their parents’ plan.
Obamacare delivered the biggest gains among Latinos, for whom the uninsured rate fell by 12.3% since the first enrollment period in Oct. 2013. The uninsured rate among Latinos remains the highest, though, with about 29.5% of Latinos lacking health coverage.
The uninsured rate among African-Americans has been nearly halved – dropping to 13.2% from 22.4% – and 5% more white Americans are now insured.
cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/obamacare-numbers-16-million-insured-rate/
 
So when Nixon took over Johnson’s war in Viet Nam, Johnson has the responsibility of for what went wrong there? Do I understand this correctly?

Christians were not persecuted until the Arab Spring which was during the Obama administration whom actively encourgaed Mubarak to step down only to see Coptic Christians persecuted in Egypt?

Likewise, no one ever heard of ISIS until about 2013, 2014 and so? This is Bush’s fault who left off in 2009? Really? 5 years after Bush left office? Boy, that’s fair.

Iraq was somewhat stable when Obama came into office, to say what happened is Bush’s fault is obscene.

We might as well say it’s Clinton’s fault in that Clinton was not enforcing the treaty with Saddam’s Iraq.
All that has been taking place in the Middle East is beyond the power of any American president to control. Nevertheless, having lived in Egypt for a number of years, I hardly see anything praiseworthy about a dictator like Mubarak and Abdul Fattah al-Sisi is even worse.
 
Dear KSU,

I have more faith in God and the Church and the Pope than I do in the President.

So do I, but what does that have to do with my question about why you seem to defend the president’s very undiplomatic attempt to embarrass the Pope?

I do not think the President is the cause of all evil much as I didn’t think President Bush was the cause of all evil.

What a strange, irrelevant and incomprehensible comment!

I will admit I get annoyed when people act as if the President can convince the Pope to go against the teachings of the Church just by shaking his hand.

I have no idea why you think anyone here believes that the Pope is so vulnerable, or what that has to do with my post which is Obama’s diplomatic crudity regarding the Pope’s visit to the WH.

President bashing gets tiring after a while.

**You are building a straw man to avoid the point. My criticism of the president’s well documented Catholic bashing and attempts to curtail our constitutionally guarantied freedom of religion is well deserved, and your calling it “president bashing” is very telling. Was Francis “president bashing” today when, in his first remarks on American soil, he found it necessary to tell the president at the White House that the U.S. must safeguard religious freedom? **

We are called to pray, say our piece, than shake the dust off our feet and move on.

Of course, but the problem is that you seem not to like it when I and others here say our piece–tell the truth-- about the president’s attack on religious freedom, etc.

I am just suggesting we should pray for the President and trust God. Which is the hardest thing to do, isn’t it?

No, my friend, it’s not hard for me to do that daily duty, and it’s not all you are suggesting.
 
Let’s talk about just a few things the ACA was promised to do and hasn’t done:

theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/23/five-broken-promises-from-five-years-of-obamacare/

*1. You can keep your health care plan

Certainly the most famous broken pledge made prior to the passage of the law was Obama’s promise: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”

Both the Washington Post Fact Checker and Politifact declared that pledge to be the biggest lie of 2013, the year the health exchanges were fully rolled out.
  1. Rising health care costs curbed
Obama pledged that the cost of health care would go down by $2,500 per family, but increases have occurred on a number of fronts.

Americans who had private health insurance reportedly spent more in 2013 for medical services and used fewer. Earlier this month, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that deductibles are rising at such a rate that it’s becoming more difficult for moderate- and low-income Americans to pay them, and in some cases families are going in to debt. A midrange deductible is $1,200 for an individual and $2,400 for a family.

A Gallup poll found that a third of Americans said they were putting off getting medical treatment because of costs. The average since Gallup first started asking in 2001 about delaying treatment has been about 30 percent, but 2015 marked “among the highest readings in the 14-year history” of asking the question.

“Despite a drop in the uninsured rate, a slightly higher percentage of Americans than in previous years report having put off medical treatment, suggesting that the Affordable Care Act has not immediately affected this measure,” Gallup said.
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  1. Law will bend the cost curve downward
As recently as Sunday, Obama said in a statement that “in stark contrast to predictions that this law would cause premiums to skyrocket, last year the growth in health care premium costs for businesses matched its lowest level on record. If premiums had kept growing over the last four years at the rate they had in the last decade, the average family premium would be $1,800 higher than it is today.”

But a nonpartisan government study suggests that a sluggish economy is the reason behind that, not the health care law.

The 2013 National Health Expenditure Report from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said health care costs would be on the upswing.

“Health spending growth through 2013 is expected to remain slow because of the sluggish economic recovery, continued increases in cost-sharing requirements for the privately insured, and slow growth for public programs,” the CMS report said. “However, improving economic conditions, combined with the coverage expansions in the Affordable Care Act and the aging of the population, drive faster projected growth in health spending in 2014 and beyond.”

An analysis last September by National Journal projected that health care makes up 17 percent of the economy now, and will increase to 19 percent of the economy over the next 10 years.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest responded Monday saying the slower growth is no accident.

“There are a number of things that have contributed to the historically slow growth in health care costs that we’ve seen and when I say historic, I mean the slowest growth in 50 years,” Earnest told TheBlaze. “And certainly it seems that even the hardest-core critic of the Affordable Care Act would be hard pressed to make the case that it’s just a coincidence that in the year after the Affordable Care Act, and in subsequent years, that the slowest growth in health care costs just happened to coincidentally occur in the first few years that the Affordable Care Act was implemented.”
  1. Deficit Reduction
During the congressional debate, Obama said, “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future.”

A Senate Budget Committee Republican staff report from October concluded that Obamacare actually adds $131 billion to the deficit over the next decade.
  1. Boost for Small Business
Obamacare was also supposed to make health insurance more affordable for small businesses through the Small Business Health Options Program, or SHOP, tax credits. But businesses cited credits that were “too small and administratively complex” with not enough health insurance options, according to the Government Accountability Office. This failed to provide the proper incentive for small employers to insure workers. There was also a lack of employer awareness, according to the GAO.*

With enough lies told, or enough money thrown at something, we can eventually achieve some metric of success.

Always nice when we can remove cost as a factor in these discussions. Might as well say my Saleen X-7 is cheap, assuming you don’t factor in the cost.
 
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KSU:
KSU,

I was responding to your post #148, where you took me to task for “consistently” taking the “side of President Obama even though he has demonstrated his anti-Catholic, in-your-face pro-contraception/abortion/homosexuality positions” I don’t really think it is ‘taking’ his side when I say I don’t think the President is all that powerful.

I still think the Pope is quite capable of handling the President. While he may not be infalliable during chit-chats, he (the Pope) is still filled with the Holy Spirit. And I do believe the Holy Spirit is working all the time.
 
Perhaps we should leave the political discussion for other sites.

THE POPE IS HERE! Be glad and rejoice that God has sent His emissary to visit the US! 🙂
 
Attacked by whom? Is it the Church that invites them to the Vatican so they can put them on display for their agenda? Have you seen any Catholic churches with signs “Homosexuals NOT welcomed here!”? Yes there are misguided people in the Catholic Church and some of them might even wear the collar but that does not mean the Church is hostile to homosexuals. On the contrary, I believe the Church is very accepting of homosexuals just as she is accepting of all of us who have our own sins to deal with.
Not the Catholic Church in particular, but members of the church can be very adamant about pointing out sins to others. There is a time and place for everything. Sometimes it is not now.
 
The Cardinal Newman Society sent out this article a few hours ago, echoing the
concerns of many here :

" The special invitation of a fired Catholic school teacher and her same-sex partner to today’s meeting between Pope Francis and President Barack Obama encourages discrimination against Catholic schools and further undermines their religious freedom, said two leaders of The Cardinal Newman Society.

The invitation has the appearance of the White House and the Human Rights Campaign taking sides against the Catholic school and joining efforts to distort the Holy Father’s openness and welcoming persona as indicating a change in Church teaching on marriage and sexuality. “Obviously we won’t be talking to the Pope, but we will be in the vicinity,” Winters reportedly said. “But symbolically, it’s a great step forward.”

Prior to today’s meeting, the Vatican had already expressed concern that attempted photos with particular guests could be misinterpreted as endorsement, according to The Wall Street Journal.

“This is a ploy to be in the presence of Pope Francis, to be photographed with him and to make it appear that the Church is now endorsing an LGBT agenda that actually opposes Catholic teaching,” said Dr. Jamie Arthur, manager of the Newman Society’s Catholic Education Honor Roll.

Instead, she said that American bishops have asked Catholic school teachers to be faithful to the Church by strengthening faith and morality clauses in teacher contracts.
 
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