Gay Friend and support?

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I have been friends with this person for a long time. I don’t question my friendship at all. My worry is, my Catholic faith is important and I must always make decision that puts Jesus first, at the same time I don’t want to hurt my friend in any way. I tend to keep my beliefs very private, I think the best thing to do is meet and be friendly as respect to my friend.
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The closest I have is a divorced man with a new partner. I avoided meeting her for as long as possible. Eventually I went to parties that she was at, and, when the man became ill met both of them in a neutral setting.
 
Thorolfr said:
If God is omniscient and knows about all birth defects that will occur and could prevent them but chooses not to, then it is God’s decision that these birth defects exists.
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That God “allows” all manner of bad things to happen on this earth Eg. Birth defects, car crashes with terrible injuries, mass shootings is not to say that God chooses to impose them or that he made a mistake. And yes, God allows whatever it is that gives rise to inclinations to sexual relationships with persons of the same sex, and he allows these inclinations to be followed or to be rejected. Neither birth defects, nor murders nor inclinations to immoral acts are good things, but they are neither God’s mistakes nor God’s will. We are imperfect creatures while in earth.
 
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Thorolfr:
If God is omniscient and knows about all birth defects that will occur and could prevent them but chooses not to, then it is God’s decision that these birth defects exists.
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That God “allows” all manner of bad things to happen on this earth Eg. Birth defects, car crashes with terrible injuries, mass shootings is not to say that God chooses to impose them or that he made a mistake. And yes, God allows whatever it is that gives rise to inclinations to sexual relationships with persons of the same sex, and he allows these inclinations to be followed or to be rejected. Neither birth defects, nor murders nor inclinations to immoral acts are good things, but they are neither God’s mistakes nor God’s will. We are imperfect creatures while in earth.
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Birth defects or diseases like cancer or many mental illnesses are definitely “bad” from the standpoint of those who suffer from them, but I have a hard time really thinking of these things as just occurring because we are “imperfect creatures.” They occur as a result of the way our bodies were designed to work with billions of our cells constantly recopying themselves. It’s amazing that more errors don’t occur in that recopying process. It’s now known, for example, that the children of older fathers are more likely to suffer from various mental illnesses. This is because an older father has more mutations in the DNA in his sperm than a younger father. So, in a sense, God is responsible because He designed our bodies to work in such a way that DNA transcription errors can occur.

There’s also not much difference between God “deciding” that something can exist and “allowing” it to exist. In the latter case, God has decided to allow certain things. He could have decided not to allow those things.
 
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Making gay OK is not the job of Catholics. Yes, we are all sinners but that should not stop us from helping others and ourselves in avoiding sin. I sinned today but if I can help someone else avoid sin, then I should.

Homosexual behavior is not to be promoted at all. I have an acquaintance who went through surgery to make him look like a woman. He is not a woman now. But the media sometimes calls men who do this she. That is not true. The last time I saw him, we spoke. All of his memories were male memories, not female.

Everyone should be treated in a friendly manner. Problems occur when Christians do not accept a gay couple’s children, or when they won’t attend a gay wedding. Those are just two examples. No one needs anyone’s permission to live how they want. And God will not force anyone to love Him.
 
You musnt attend a so called gay marriage or anything else that would imply that what they are doing is ok. To me that includes any kind of dinner function or what have which implies they are a couple.
 
BenjaminJ said:
You musnt attend a so called gay marriage or anything else that would imply that what they are doing is ok. To me that includes any kind of dinner function or what have which implies they are a couple.
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What is a “dinner function”? Do you mean that it’s not OK to go out to dinner with them?
 
If they are going as a couple then yes. Active homosexuality is a mortal sin. Its a trip to hell. Its your responsibility as a catholic to inform him and help him to save his soul. It is not ok to condone it in any shape or form.

God didnt destroy Sodom and Ghamorrah for no reason. Or if ya want new testament romans chapt 1 vs 20 forward.
 
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BenjaminJ said:
If they are going as a couple then yes.
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How would the two of them going out to dinner with other people imply that they’re a couple? Do you think that if they were going as a couple, they’d be holding hands at the dinner table or something?
 
Yes. It’s already been confirmed that they are romantically involved.
Best to just ignore the homosexual apologetics here.
 
And to the OP:
By the way, “they” is third person plural. No amount of progressivist doublethink can make it singular.
 
Thorolfr said:
There’s also not much difference between God “deciding” that something can exist and “allowing” it to exist. In the latter case, God has decided to allow certain things. He could have decided not to allow those things.
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If you think about a world in which bad things can’t happen, you’ll realize that’s not a world that makes any human sense.
 
Which is still endorsing a mortal sin which is a mortal sin in and of itself…
 
Games are being played here. Their not holding hands does not make them a couple but they are a couple, right?

If we don’t warn others about sin then we fail in our duty.
 
I wouldn’t even bring it up. You’re obviously aware of the Church’s teachings, and I’m sure your friend is too.

You’re called to love your neighbor above all else. Love your neighbor, be kind and generous with all regardless of their situation. No reason to not meet your close friend’s partner.

In fact, rejecting your friend’s partner would not be OK. That would go against “love thy neighbor”.

ADDITION: Before all else: love. Love above all things.
 
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gama232 said:
Games are being played here. Their not holding hands does not make them a couple but they are a couple, right?

If we don’t warn others about sin then we fail in our duty.
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So once they’ve been warned, then what? If they don’t welcome the warning and don’t change their behavior, should they be shunned?
 
Love is not Tolerance by Archbishop Fulton Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind…
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I’ll start off by saying that I am have an affinity for the Ven. S.o.G. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.

I’ll also say that that quote (which I have not read in context either) does not fully represent the Gospel message. The grand solution to evangelize never includes bashing another for their sins, because that person is no more sinful than the basher is, nor more sinful than anyone else. You cannot go around bashing and judging others for their actions unless you’re perfect. (I’m using “you” not directly at you, but the more general “you”).

I’ll conclude with this: "One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (the Words of Jesus according to the Evangelist Mark in 12:28-31)
 
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