Gay friend is getting married

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Apologies. I missed out the one crucial word “not”. I have gone back and corrected it now. The link I posted was to illustrate that people are saying they should not attend! I’ll try to proofread more carefully in the future!
 
Apologies. I missed out the one crucial word “not”. I have gone back and corrected it now. The link I posted was to illustrate that people are saying they should not attend! I’ll try to proofread more carefully in the future!
Gotcha gotcha. No worries! I think you’re a consistently good-faith poster. I was honestly confused at that one sentence and even wondered if you just missed a word, I should have asked.

Anyway, I think I’ll try to refrain from commenting further on this thread. Anything else aside, the topics discussed here touch on such tender matters of hearts and relationships, I don’t want to deviate too far from the OP’s situation and start talking in academically detached, cold-seeming abstracts. I reckon my personal suggestion (as far as an action step goes) is fairly clear – and I hope it’s also come across clearly that I hope the best for all people involved. Prayers for everyone in a similar situation.

Am just going to bow out now because I think that may also be best for people involved. I notice the OP hasn’t responded to comments in some time and I don’t want to stray into unwelcome territory for whatever he’d like this thread to be.
 
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Also, where I live, if a romantic couple cohabitate long enough, the government declares them “married’ even if the couple have no ceremony. It’s called common law marriage. It’s funny because people sometimes accidentally find out the government considers them married when they had no such intention.
How does the government know that two cohabitating men or women are in a “romantic” relationship? Since romance usually takes place behind closed doors, that would be fairly diffficult to prove.
 
How does the government know that two cohabitating men or women are in a “romantic” relationship? Since romance usually takes place behind closed doors, that would be fairly diffficult to prove.
I mean, the government doesn’t hunt them down to present them with rings or anything. I’ve just heard of cases where people find out they’ve accidentally cohabitated long enough that they’ve fallen into the legal category of “common law married”. And I mean, our tax forms (which reflect our addresses) do ask us questions about our relationship status and whether we’re in a ‘conjugal relationship’ with someone we share housing with even if they’re not a ‘spouse’ (the instructions describe the type of scenario involved and ask you to check the ‘common law’ box if it applies to you), so maybe some background process keeps track? If two different people fill out two different tax returns stating they’re cohabiting with a conjugal partner, and the address is the same… I presume that’s how the government knows.

And it does impact tax things, apparently. Whether you’re single or ‘common law married’.

More significantly though, I think there are property law implications if a common law couple separates. Like, potentially there are legal obligations similar to marital divorce (especially if kids are involved). Potential legal implications of common law marriages are why there’s an old joke I’ve heard, something along the lines of: “If your partner has been nagging you to get married for several months, and suddenly stops, check the calendar.”
 
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I mean, the government doesn’t hunt them down to present them with rings or anything. I’ve just heard of cases where people find out they’ve accidentally cohabitated long enough that they’ve fallen into the legal category of “common law married”.
Can I ask where this is (as vague as possible to protect your privacy)? Because 99% of the time I’ve head this claim it turns out to be a misunderstanding. Usually there’s a lot more you have to do to end up in this scenario and most importantly it involves the couple presenting themselves as married.
 
It looks like it varies a lot by province, which I guess is to be expected. Mostly seems focused on a common law relationship which I’ll admit is a new one to me, and on protecting people’s rights to child support and government benefits and such. So if you live with your partner for 20 years and they pass you may be able to collect the benefits a spouse would be able to. Or if you live with your partner and contribute substantially to paying the mortgage but it’s technically in their name, you may not be left in the cold if you suddenly break up. The different provinces seem to have different numbers of years which again makes sense since they offer varying levels of protection. I’m sure it’s not always fun for courts to work out if something is contested.
 
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Mostly seems focused on a common law relationship which I’ll admit is a new one to me
Maybe they changed the language? I thought it used to be called common law marriage, as part of legal precedent. But terms can change.

Could perfectly well be that I’m mistaken though. (… but I don’t think I am; I do think the government’s original term was common law marriage 😄 and if it’s called something different now, maybe they changed it to what they thought might seem more palatable to more people, for whatever reason.)
 
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Could perfectly well be that I’m mistaken though. (… but I don’t think I am; I do think the government’s original term was common law marriage 😄 and if it’s called something different now, maybe they changed it to what they thought might seem more palatable to more people, for whatever reason.)
They seem to be related but different as some provinces have a form of common law marriage it looks like. It’s often distinct from both common law relationships and formalized marriages.
 
They seem to be related but different as some provinces have a form of common law marriage it looks like. It’s often distinct from both common law relationships and formalized marriages.
Oh interesting. Well, neither applies to me right now so I’ll take your word for it and not investigate further at the moment. To be honest I don’t even know my own province’s position. I assumed what I found on the Revenue Agency website applied federally across all provinces, so you already have more precise info than I do.
 
The wedding or the banquet? I’ve been to weddings where about a quarter of the invitees are at the wedding.
 
Thank you Polak for your kind words and your very sensible advice, much appreciated.

God bless.
 
OP - I think you’re allowed to say whatever you need to say to get out of this. When the day comes, tell him you have covid symptoms. Whatever.
It almost sounds like he has power to blackmail you, and I think you can tell a “white lie” if you need to.
 
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OP - I think you’re allowed to say whatever you need to say to get out of this. When the day comes, tell him you have covid symptoms. Whatever.
Thou shalt not lie.

That commandment doesn’t get suspended just because the truth would cause difficulty…

OP, I agree with earlier posts, you don’t have to, and probably shouldn’t, give a reason. If they press the issue, then it might be necessary to have that difficult conversation. It sucks to lose someone you once considered a friend, but in my experience if you do lose someone because they won’t accept your beliefs and desire to live by them, you usually wind up better for the loss.
 
This is my preferred approach in situations like this

Give the polite excuse which christian charity and social convention demand. And then… on your way again! With holy shamelessness, without stopping until you have finally scaled the heights of duty.

(Saint Josemaria; The Way 44)
 
I’m not sure why this would be an issue since you’re not the one getting married.
He’s presumably concerned that attending is going to be endorsing/approving of this relationship, which is something that he doesn’t feel would be right.

I know you’re not Catholic and presumably wouldn’t have the same moral qualms, but that’s the issue.
 
Instead, it’s showing his friend that he’s happy for him and wishes him the best.
He isnt happy for him, he is mourning for him. The friend is embracing and celebrating an act of grave sin. Wishing him the best would entail encouraging him to conversion. Attendance would signal support for said act, even if only because “it makes him happy.”
This is just common sense.
 
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Wishing him the best would entail encouraging him to conversion. Attendance would signal support for said act, even if only because “it makes him happy.”
It might also show the friend the loving, friendly, charitable side of Christianity. While I doubt it in and of itself would cause the friend to convert, I don’t see it any more likely that not attending would do so either.
It almost sounds like he has power to blackmail you
We should bear in mind that this was only expressed as OP’s concern and no specific threat or reason for the concern was mentioned. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t warranted but it does mean we only have one side of the story there. Ironically, OP seemed concerned about being ‘outed’.
 
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To me it sounds like the OP is trying to live a calm life as a committed Christian, and the concern is that the vindictive old friend is going to say “oh aren’t we the hypocrite? I remember when you used to do ________, and now you’re so holier-than-thou that you won’t come to my wedding? Well, I’ll let your (church, new friends, family, employer, whatever) know who you really are”.
If that is the case, then I think the OP has every right to say what he needs to say in preemptive self-defense. Maybe that’s “fudging” the truth in some sense. Or being very selective about the real reason.
 
It could be, just out of fairness to the person who isn’t part of the discussion to defend themselves thought it was worth reminding the thread, not you specifically, that this concern could be extremely warranted, extremely unwarranted, or anything in between. We have very little to go on and I find in a lot of areas of life, we tend to think people will react more negatively to something than they actually will.
 
It might also show the friend the loving, friendly, charitable side of Christianity.
No. Charity without truth makes not love or friendship. That is Christianity, not some worldly politically-correct imitation.
While I doubt it in and of itself would cause the friend to convert, I don’t see it any more likely that not attending would do so either.
I’ll leave the what-ifs and the things that are beyond our control to the Lord.
 
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