Gay Marriage and Freedom of Religion

[pathia]

1. Does therapy for child molesters, sexaholics, or other deviants cause suicide?
2. Why do you think that it works sometimes but other times fails?

1.) So now you’re comparing us to people who prey on individuals who cannot consent. It is not a viable comparison. The only therapy for homosexuality is religious based therapy. Secular therapists do not practice it because they know of the dangers. There are secular options for your examples, not for homosexuality.

2.) In my personal experience? Every person it worked on, was either bisexual, or still in denial. I know people who claim to be ex-gay, and have married another ex-gay. Yet if you ask them in private, how they actually live and are and consummate their marriage? You know what they say? They have to do it with the lights off, so they can imagine a same sex partner.

I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want to grow up in an environment where the marriage was that screwy.

 

[NoMoreGames]

It is not the same as a healthy pure love between a man and a woman.

Going on a “date” is flaunting your relationship.

You have a disordered desire. I can’t fault you for that like wise I can’t fault those who have other deviant desires. The fault comes when you nurture those desires or act on them.

On the outside of love, it is impossible to say that love is healthy or not. Our love is healthier then that between a divorced couple, yet thay are opposite genders.

I still don’t understand how that is flaunting it. We go out to dinner, or see a movie, or even just go running. You would see two guys doing this and not think twice.

But anyways, this really wasn’t supposed to be about me, so unless you have something to say about the social issues of it, you should step down.

 

[royal_archer]

So we’re supposed to be hermits, shut ourselves off from the world and never speak about anything, ever?

Do you know how many times I get asked if I have kids, or if I’m married, or when people flirt with me shamelessly? There’s nothing I can do, I can’t stop other people from asking questions I cannot answer without deflecting in such a way they figure it out.

Most of us have desires that are best kept to ourselves. That does not prevent us from living out the rest of our lives normally. However if your desires are such a powerfull force in your life that you can not go out or speak with out exposing the world to those desires, you should seriously evaluate how healthy your situation is.

Why is it so hard to say you haven’t found the right woman yet or you are not ready to settle down or you have other priorities in your life? There is nothing wrong with a celebate life.

 

[NoMoreGames]

Most of us have desires that are best kept to ourselves. That does not prevent us from living out the rest of our lives normally. However if your desires are such a powerfull force in your life that you can not go out or speak with out exposing the world to those desires, you should seriously evaluate how healthy your situation is.

Why is it so hard to say you haven’t found the right woman yet or you are not ready to settle down or you have other priorities in your life? There is nothing wrong with a celebate life.

Who says we voice it every time we go out in public?

And is it really any better to lie…

 

[pathia]

Most of us have desires that are best kept to ourselves. That does not prevent us from living out the rest of our lives normally. However if your desires are such a powerful force in your life that you can not go out or speak with out exposing the world to those desires, you should seriously evaluate how healthy your situation is.

Why is it so hard to say you haven’t found the right woman yet or you are not ready to settle down or you have other priorities in your life? There is nothing wrong with a celebate life.

Thanks for assuming I’m a gay man, I am not.

I have been with my partner for 9 years, my roommates have been together for about twenty, I’m not going to erase that history in any way shape or form. Why don’t you try to remove someone that’s been integral to your life for almost a decade or two decades and see how well you can simply ignore it?

People constantly ask me about my kids, or if I’m planning to get pregnant, or this or that. It’s every day of my life. I have to lie, ever single day, constantly at work.

Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie.

That is what you are asking me to do. You seem to think I am someone who runs around sleeping with everyone and wish to speak of my ‘conquests’ at work. That is a very stereotypical view, and incorrect.

 

[royal_archer]

1.) So now you’re comparing us to people who prey on individuals who cannot consent. It is not a viable comparison. The only therapy for homosexuality is religious based therapy. Secular therapists do not practice it because they know of the dangers. There are secular options for your examples, not for homosexuality.

2.) In my personal experience? Every person it worked on, was either bisexual, or still in denial. I know people who claim to be ex-gay, and have married another ex-gay. Yet if you ask them in private, how they actually live and are and consummate their marriage? You know what they say? They have to do it with the lights off, so they can imagine a same sex partner.

I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want to grow up in an environment where the marriage was that screwy.

Per question 1. You did not answer the question. Let me rephrase: do therapies for other deviant desires or disordered life styles cause individuals to commit suicide?

Per question 2. news flash: after a few years, kids and a few pounds most married couples are not as physically attractive as they used to be. The point is to have a loving relationship based on mutual respect and support. If you are incapable of that, celebacy is another option, even mutualy agreed to celebacy within a normal relationship is possible.

 

[royal_archer]

On the outside of love, it is impossible to say that love is healthy or not. Our love is healthier then that between a divorced couple, yet thay are opposite genders.

I still don’t understand how that is flaunting it. We go out to dinner, or see a movie, or even just go running. You would see two guys doing this and not think twice.

But anyways, this really wasn’t supposed to be about me, so unless you have something to say about the social issues of it, you should step down.

AS long as your “relationship” is kept in secret it should not harm others but you always run the risk of scandal.

 

[pathia]

Per question 1. You did not answer the question. Let me rephrase: do therapies for other deviant desires or disordered life styles cause individuals to commit suicide?

Not that I know of, sometimes they are murdered in jail by other criminals.

Per question 2. news flash: after a few years, kids and a few pounds most married couples are not as physically attractive as they used to be. The point is to have a loving relationship based on mutual respect and support. If you are incapable of that, celebacy is another option, even mutualy agreed to celebacy within a normal relationship is possible.

So treating children as young as eight because they act too effeminate or masculine, KNOWING that some will commit suicide is OK?

You still haven’t answered my questions either.

 

[mark_a]

I’m curious as to why people believe that gay marriage should not be allowed in the country when it falls more so under the category of freedom of religion.

Gay marriage, just as abortion and contraception, is opposed by Catholics because it destroys the fundamental unit of any society, the family.

Gay marriage, just as abortion, is a symptom of the contraception mentality that infects our culture.

 

[NoMoreGames]

AS long as your “relationship” is kept in secret it should not harm others but you always run the risk of scandal.

you really need to understand when to use quotes and when to not. and what do you mean by scandal? I’m not sure I understand that.

 

[NoMoreGames]

Gay marriage, just as abortion and contraception, is opposed by Catholics because it destroys the fundamental unit of any society, the family.

Gay marriage, just as abortion, is a symptom of the contraception mentality that infects our culture.

I understand 100% why catholics are against it within the faith, but should that really have any bearing in a nation based on freedom from that?

Could you explain further about the contraception mentality as well? Gay couples exist who adopt, meaning they are very open to life within their family.

 

[royal_archer]

Thanks for assuming I’m a gay man, I am not.

Ok, Gay female, then you can say you have not found the right guy, etc.

I have been with my partner for 9 years, my roommates have been together for about twenty, I’m not going to erase that history in any way shape or form. Why don’t you try to remove someone that’s been integral to your life for almost a decade or two decades and see how well you can simply ignore it?

People constantly ask me about my kids, or if I’m planning to get pregnant, or this or that. It’s every day of my life. I have to lie, ever single day, constantly at work.

Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie.

That is what you are asking me to do. You seem to think I am someone who runs around sleeping with everyone and wish to speak of my ‘conquests’ at work. That is a very stereotypical view, and incorrect.

I am going off of your statement “So we’re supposed to be hermits, shut ourselves off from the world and never speak about anything, ever?”

I never mention my orientation at work. I am sure it is because I am older and not all that attractive. Consider it a great blessing that people are interested in you.

 

[royal_archer]

Who says we voice it every time we go out in public?

And is it really any better to lie…

that response was to the previous poster comment about being a hermit. Please re read my post in context.

 

[royal_archer]

you really need to understand when to use quotes and when to not. and what do you mean by scandal? I’m not sure I understand that.

The quotes are when I take an excerpt of someone elses thoughts and not using the words I would have used had I been writing it independently.

Not sure I could properly define the term scandal for you but it relates to portraying an imoral act as moral or as endorsed by you in a public setting.

 

[mark_a]

I understand 100% why catholics are against it within the faith, but should that really have any bearing in a nation based on freedom from that?

Freedom isn’t the opportunity to do what you want, its the obligation to do what you should.

There has always been and always will be homosexuality, abortion, contraception , whatever. But these acts should never be promoted by a government. And, from the point of view of historical Christian teaching about homosexuality, does nothing to help these people.

Could you explain further about the contraception mentality as well?

My signature link is a nice short article about how the contraception mentality came to be.

Gay couples exist who adopt, meaning they are very open to life within their family.

Gay marriages have less of a chance to be the ideal situation in which to raise children. I know there are specific instances where it works out, and God bless them and their kids.

 

[royal_archer]

I understand 100% why catholics are against it within the faith, but should that really have any bearing in a nation based on freedom from that?

Could you explain further about the contraception mentality as well? Gay couples exist who adopt, meaning they are very open to life within their family.

FYI: i am among many Catholics who feel there should be no secular or coercive obstructions to people committing immoral acts other than doing it infront of children or in public (family) settings. This thread is about “marriage” That is an institution that has specific meaning and that meaning should not be taken from the church and tainted. Further many in the gay agenda want to use gay “marriage” to force their lifestyle choices upon others through insurance, etc.

 

[RobbyS]

Freedom isn’t the opportunity to do what you want, its the obligation to do what you should.

There has always been and always will be homosexuality, abortion, contraception , whatever. But these acts should never be promoted by a government. And, from the point of view of historical Christian teaching about homosexuality, does nothing to help these people.

My signature link is a nice short article about how the contraception mentality came to be.

Gay marriages have less of a chance to be the ideal situation in which to raise children. I know there are specific instances where it works out, and God bless them and their kids.

Well, Mogli was raised by wolves and Tarzan by apes, and they turned out all right. More to the point, lots of kids have raised in whore houses, and end uo going to Harvard. …No, you say?

 

[pathia]

Ok, Gay female, then you can say you have not found the right guy, etc.

I am going off of your statement “So we’re supposed to be hermits, shut ourselves off from the world and never speak about anything, ever?”

I never mention my orientation at work. I am sure it is because I am older and not all that attractive. Consider it a great blessing that people are interested in you.

It is not a great blessing, it’s a pain in the butt. I am in a very male industry. There are only 4 women in the entire group of about eighty men. I am the youngest woman unmarried. I am constantly flirted with, people ask me out to dinner, drinks, parties, all the time. I can’t do any of that, I have to isolate myself from everything and not attend any of it. It makes me look like a grumpy shrew and lowers the management’s confidence in my abilities, because I am not seen as a ‘team player’ because I don’t want to partake of their events and parties.

Or, I can just let them know I’m already taken and have been for 9 years.

Much simpler.

 

[royal_archer]

It is not a great blessing, it’s a pain in the butt. I am in a very male industry. There are only 4 women in the entire group of about eighty men. I am the youngest woman unmarried. I am constantly flirted with, people ask me out to dinner, drinks, parties, all the time. I can’t do any of that, I have to isolate myself from everything and not attend any of it. It makes me look like a grumpy shrew and lowers the management’s confidence in my abilities, because I am not seen as a ‘team player’ because I don’t want to partake of their events and parties.

Or, I can just let them know I’m already taken and have been for 9 years.

Much simpler.

You ought to talk to your boss about it. Or you can file for sexual harrasment.

Better yet, you may be able to find a job in a more conducive environment.

 

[pathia]

You ought to talk to your boss about it. Or you can file for sexual harrasment.

Better yet, you may be able to find a job in a more conducive environment.

Asking someone out is not harassment. Finding me attractive is not harassment.

It is the industry I am in as a whole. I am very good at what I do, I’m not going to leave just because YOU think I shouldn’t say I’m queer.