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irishpatrick
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What is false?
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Jennifer123
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They are both sides of the same coin.
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larkin31
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This is false
all of it
take your pick of clauses
it is fearmongering
- The left will never push for all churches to marry gay couples
- The left will not sue the RCC and force gay marriage on them
- The gay marriage law will not force the RCC to marry them or close their doors
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wisdomseeker
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why? i think that Catholic charity had to close because they were being force to give children to gays for adoption. am i wrong? these people have no respect for anyone. they are out to force their agenda on anyone that doesnt accept their life style. they are out to take God out of the way. dont be naive. just think of how much they have accomplished so far.
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larkin31
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That is beyond marriage law
You are changing the topic to employment law, which is a whole different issue. If the RCC closes its doors rather than comply with benefits and employment law, THAT is a whole different issue. If the RCC wants never to allow gays to openly live together AND work for them, then that is their right. But if they hire gays, and do not treat them equally or otherwise deny them rights or privileges that they grant to others, then they will have legal trouble.
No church has ever had to marry anyone who asked. Not before, not now. The law governs only the civil aspect of marriage; no religious, sacramental participation of any kind is required in this.
Adoption is not a religious, sacramental activity. If you are in that business, then you are subject to the same laws that govern all adoptions, where discrimination and equal justice laws apply.
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irishpatrick
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Nope…you need to expand your mind and use some rational thought. This will happen, it is not a matter of if, but when.
Hate crimes laws and discrimination laws will be used to force all churches to marry same-sex couples, and that will happen because the Supreme Court will affirm the CA decision and ss marriage will spread across the nation within three years. Within ten years we will see the first lawsuits against churches.
The left hates real religion and marriage, they are tearing down both. Watch and see, all of the major predictions by the Church and other faithful Christians have come to pass and so will this.
It is not fearmongering…it is just a prediction of what will happen based on what has already happened.
People hate Christianity, they want it gone or neutralized. It is an attack.
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irishpatrick
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Living in a post-Christian Era!
Okay, so we now live in a post-Christian era. Attendance at church for all denominations is way down and continues to drop. People routinely engage in activities that they know are contrary to the Christian faith, such as abortion, contraception, living together, fornication, divorce, adultery, same-sex marriage, etc. The people engaged in those activities no longer look upon them as sinful, they justify their lives within the confines of those grave sins in order to rationalize that the churches have somehow mis-interpreted the Bible and Jesus’ teachings.
Most people now live a life in which they consider themselves to be “spiritual,” but not religious. They feel traditional Christianity has nothing to offer them. They do not go to church even when their churches preach it is sinful not to attend. They build their own rules, their own “commandments,” to follow, their own rules for life without any real thought to how Christ calls us to live.
People have turned to other faiths, to science, to secularism, to agnosticism, and even to atheism in very large numbers…all of which replaces their previously held Christian faith.
People decide who Christ is, rather than allowing Christ to speak to them through His Church and through His revelation. Both the Churches and Revelation are seen as unneeded and antiquated parts of a system that people have willingly cast aside.
Europe is much less Christian than the USA, and that is saying a lot. Places like New Zealand which just twenty years ago had church attendance of 75% and higher, now sees a church attendance of 15% and less. Across the west Sacramental marriage is down and considered antiquated.
Through its history, the western world has always been populated by overwhelmingly large percentages of Christians; the vast majority who built the west and lived there were Christians, yet not anymore.
Just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does the world of faith. Since Christians have walked away from their faith, they have left a vacuum, and it is being filled with all sorts of manmade systems, manmade ideologies and of course other faith systems and religions.
For at least three decades Christians of all denominations have warned of this day; they have stated over-and-over that we were de-Christianizing the west, along with the USA. They also warned that it would create chaos and that some other systems would fill the void, which is exactly what is happening today.
So, be happy, you are getting exactly what you wanted. You tossed aside your Christian faith, and in doing so you are tossing aside the single most positive influence upon any culture in the history of mankind.
You have done an amazing job in de-Christianizing the west, and you did it in a mere thirty years or less. Impressive task of tearing down the foundations of an entire culture. It won’t be long before all Churches will be forced to do things that are utterly contrary to their professed faith (that is already happening). That will happen because the culture is now nearly completely anti-Christian in nature and laws will be passed to circumvent the first amendment religious protections…it is all inevitable and will happen because that is exactly what people in the west want. Many churches, like the Roman Catholic Church, will be faced with harsh choices: (1) Comply with sinful laws that go against their professed faith; (2) Close their doors and go to underground private worship.
Most of what Christians have warned of over the last three decades is coming to past and so will the predictions made here because people do not want to be authentic Christians anymore. Authentic Christianity is NOT easy, it takes real work, love and concern to follow Christ in this fallen world and the vast majority would rather not be bothered. So, we will continue to see Christianity coming under attack until one day faithful Christians will have to worship in garages, basements and private places.
Welcome to a brave new world that has made it clear that it does Christ. We are entering a world in which life simply will not be the same, and some are probably quite thrilled with that fact. However, please understand with clarity that we deserve whatever we get!
jfpblog.wordpress.com/
Okay, so we now live in a post-Christian era. Attendance at church for all denominations is way down and continues to drop. People routinely engage in activities that they know are contrary to the Christian faith, such as abortion, contraception, living together, fornication, divorce, adultery, same-sex marriage, etc. The people engaged in those activities no longer look upon them as sinful, they justify their lives within the confines of those grave sins in order to rationalize that the churches have somehow mis-interpreted the Bible and Jesus’ teachings.
Most people now live a life in which they consider themselves to be “spiritual,” but not religious. They feel traditional Christianity has nothing to offer them. They do not go to church even when their churches preach it is sinful not to attend. They build their own rules, their own “commandments,” to follow, their own rules for life without any real thought to how Christ calls us to live.
People have turned to other faiths, to science, to secularism, to agnosticism, and even to atheism in very large numbers…all of which replaces their previously held Christian faith.
People decide who Christ is, rather than allowing Christ to speak to them through His Church and through His revelation. Both the Churches and Revelation are seen as unneeded and antiquated parts of a system that people have willingly cast aside.
Europe is much less Christian than the USA, and that is saying a lot. Places like New Zealand which just twenty years ago had church attendance of 75% and higher, now sees a church attendance of 15% and less. Across the west Sacramental marriage is down and considered antiquated.
Through its history, the western world has always been populated by overwhelmingly large percentages of Christians; the vast majority who built the west and lived there were Christians, yet not anymore.
Just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does the world of faith. Since Christians have walked away from their faith, they have left a vacuum, and it is being filled with all sorts of manmade systems, manmade ideologies and of course other faith systems and religions.
For at least three decades Christians of all denominations have warned of this day; they have stated over-and-over that we were de-Christianizing the west, along with the USA. They also warned that it would create chaos and that some other systems would fill the void, which is exactly what is happening today.
So, be happy, you are getting exactly what you wanted. You tossed aside your Christian faith, and in doing so you are tossing aside the single most positive influence upon any culture in the history of mankind.
You have done an amazing job in de-Christianizing the west, and you did it in a mere thirty years or less. Impressive task of tearing down the foundations of an entire culture. It won’t be long before all Churches will be forced to do things that are utterly contrary to their professed faith (that is already happening). That will happen because the culture is now nearly completely anti-Christian in nature and laws will be passed to circumvent the first amendment religious protections…it is all inevitable and will happen because that is exactly what people in the west want. Many churches, like the Roman Catholic Church, will be faced with harsh choices: (1) Comply with sinful laws that go against their professed faith; (2) Close their doors and go to underground private worship.
Most of what Christians have warned of over the last three decades is coming to past and so will the predictions made here because people do not want to be authentic Christians anymore. Authentic Christianity is NOT easy, it takes real work, love and concern to follow Christ in this fallen world and the vast majority would rather not be bothered. So, we will continue to see Christianity coming under attack until one day faithful Christians will have to worship in garages, basements and private places.
Welcome to a brave new world that has made it clear that it does Christ. We are entering a world in which life simply will not be the same, and some are probably quite thrilled with that fact. However, please understand with clarity that we deserve whatever we get!
jfpblog.wordpress.com/
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DawnInTexas
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The Secular (Godless) Authority in our Country has already forced some Catholic Churches to supply Medical Coverage to its employees that are covered-for birth control and Abortion.
Two intrinsic evils according to Christ’s Church-led by God the Holy Spirit (the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against her).
God Bless.
+Immaculate Heart of Mary, I place all my Trust in You!
Love, Dawn
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PassingThru
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Can you give me one example of the Church being forced to marry anyone? Just one example will do.
I married in a Catholic church, and I had to jump through all the hoops to verify my past being raised Lutheran, and wait for permission from the Church to marry my bride. If the Church had said “no” there was absolutely NO legal recourse for me to take to force them to marry us. In what ways will the Church be “forced” to marry anyone? They can reject a couple now due to religious beliefs, past relationships, or just because they are convinced it is a bad match (pretty rare I would guess, but they can if they wish). These are ALL discriminatory practices, yet fully protected. Again, what will cause this to change? Aside from fear-rambling, do you have an actually logical thought on this issue?
(Note, I support the Catholic Church and any religion for that matter to control its own practices in this regard)
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DawnInTexas
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Great post-in layman’s terms, even I can understand! Thank you!
God Bless.
+Te Deum.
Love, Dawn
God Bless.
+Te Deum.
Love, Dawn
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irishpatrick
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Great post. The thing people forget is that Jesus did promise the gates of hades would not prevail, yet that means the gates of hades is sure going to try for as long as it can. There also is no promise that we will not suffer during this time, the gates will not prevail, but it won’t be easy to knock it back and we might very well lose the nation and the west while conducting that spiritual battle.
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irishpatrick
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Do not forget, Saint Faustina was told to prepare the world for Jesus’ Second Coming. That certainly has to mean something.
You will prepare the world for My final coming. (Diary 429)
Speak to the world about My mercy … It is a sign for the end times. After it will come the Day of Justice. While there is still time, let them have recourse to the fountain of My mercy. (Diary 848)
Tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near. (Diary 965).
I am prolonging the time of mercy for the sake of sinners. But woe to them if they do not recognize this time of My visitation. (Diary 1160)
Before the Day of Justice, I am sending the Day of Mercy. (Diary 1588)
He who refuses to pass through the door of My mercy must pass through the door of My justice. (Diary 1146).
In addition to these words of Our Lord Sr. Faustina gives us the Words of the Mother of Mercy, the Blessed Virgin,
You have to speak to the world about His great mercy and prepare the world for the Second Coming of Him who will come, not as a merciful Savior, but as a just Judge. Oh how terrible is that day! Determined is the day of justice, the day of divine wrath. The angels tremble before it. Speak to souls about this great mercy while it is still the time for granting mercy. (Diary 635).
ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/stfaust.htmSpeak to the world about My mercy … It is a sign for the end times. After it will come the Day of Justice. While there is still time, let them have recourse to the fountain of My mercy. (Diary 848)
Tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near. (Diary 965).
I am prolonging the time of mercy for the sake of sinners. But woe to them if they do not recognize this time of My visitation. (Diary 1160)
Before the Day of Justice, I am sending the Day of Mercy. (Diary 1588)
He who refuses to pass through the door of My mercy must pass through the door of My justice. (Diary 1146).
In addition to these words of Our Lord Sr. Faustina gives us the Words of the Mother of Mercy, the Blessed Virgin,
You have to speak to the world about His great mercy and prepare the world for the Second Coming of Him who will come, not as a merciful Savior, but as a just Judge. Oh how terrible is that day! Determined is the day of justice, the day of divine wrath. The angels tremble before it. Speak to souls about this great mercy while it is still the time for granting mercy. (Diary 635).
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larkin31
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No, it won’t.
That’s ludicrous.
This is more ludicrous.
Indeed, we will.
No marriage has yet been forced on ANY church.
Well, a FEW people do. But otherwise, this country is incredibly welcoming to faith. Are you digging bunkers in your yard, or something? And what’s the matter with your faith and your institutional, if you can’t take some civil law changing before you start to yell that the walls of Jericho are falling? Your institution is fine. Keep marrying whom you want. I got married in a Catholic church by a priest, but we were refused the sacraments cuz I was Protestant and did not convert. No biggee. It was good enough for my liberal Catholic inlaws. They don’t believe in those narrow Catholic teachings around “marriage” and “annulment” and birth control anyway.
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irishpatrick
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Watch and see…it will happen. There is one earthly hope left, and that is the November elections. If citizens wake-up and utterly repudiate the left this fall, than there might still be a chance. If the left holds onto Congress, than everything I stated here will come to pass, no matter how ludicrous you think it is (of course Divine intervention would change everything).No, it won’t.
That’s ludicrous.
This is more ludicrous.
Indeed, we will.
No marriage has yet been forced on ANY church.
Well, a FEW people do. But otherwise, this country is incredibly welcoming to faith. Are you digging bunkers in your yard, or something? And what’s the matter with your faith and your institutional, if you can’t take some civil law changing before you start to yell that the walls of Jericho are falling? Your institution is fine. Keep marrying whom you want. I got married in a Catholic church by a priest, but we were refused the sacraments cuz I was Protestant and did not convert. No biggee. It was good enough for my liberal Catholic inlaws. They don’t believe in those narrow Catholic teachings around “marriage” and “annulment” and birth control anyway.
The RCC has been under attack from within and from outside for years…it will only get worse…not better.
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larkin31
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no marriage yet has ever been forced on any church
the judge in the recent case was a Bush appointee (not from the “left”)
And you think the November elections have ANYTHING to do with the general growth in acceptance of homosexuality (the reduction in its being demonized)? This has nothing to do with politics. Get used to it. Justice, in this country, continues to broaden, and it will continue to broaden. It is the greatest social movement on the planet (well, that and the development of medicine and surgery).
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irishpatrick
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Watch and see. If people do not create a tidal wave to wash out the left this fall, than everything I predicted will come to pass within ten years or so. The USA is the last best hope for the world, and this coming election is the last best hope for the USA.
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larkin31
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Will you move to another country if you don’t get what you want? And you did not answer my point: the change is social and legal, not political.
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DawnInTexas
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We are in the period of God’s Mercy-Before His Justice, He said to His Secretary of His Messages of Hope and Warning to us all.
God gives us the plan in Divine Scripture, then sends Prophets with the details-when the time is close. Our beloved Popes can see what’s heading our way. Both Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI (in most recent years) are giving us both Hope and Warning.
“Be Not Afraid” said our beloved Pope John Paul II (the Great).
…Afraid? Of what?
God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn
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DawnInTexas
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irishpatrick
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The USA is the last best hope for the world, if this nation fails, the world fails and there will be nowhere to run or hide. Besides, Christ would not have faithful Christians run away.
It is all three: social, legal and political. Yet, more than anything, it is a spiritual battle that most people are utterly unaware of…
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