Gay marriage is a civil right

[Ashley42]

By your own warped logic…who are you to tell someone not to stuff lasagna in their ear past the point of damage?

You obviously don’t get my logic. Past the point of damge - well that’s obvious. It will hurt, might render the ear as disfunctional, and would have to be fixed by some medical professional. But that’s my point - as long as no damage or harm results in it - then what is the problem?

Nope…many have spoken to Jesus…and he is God.

I thought he was God’s son? Oh wait he was son of Mary and Joseph of Nasarath? But wasn’t she a virgin? And you have the audacity to call my arguments ridiculous!
Seriously though, where’s the proof? The Bible? And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! …my poor brain.

Whether or not you believe it makes no difference.

No, but weather it is true or not makes a difference. I know where my money is.

I don’t know you…but your hatred for God is probably based on your unnatural sexual preference.

It’s difficult to hate that which does not exist.

Alexia, you and Ashley have both studiously avoided my references to Plato and Jefferson, who recommended punishment, not marriage rights, for those who engage in homosexual sex. You can’t claim they were Catholic or beholden to the Catholic point of view.

But you have not told us why we should listen to Plato and Jefferson. Are you trying to imply that what they have written is more believable because they were not Catholic? Cos that would just be hilarious!

Would either or both of you care to speculate why homosexual sex was so offensive to Plato and Jefferson? Would you say it was because they both saw it as offensive to common sense (the parts don’t fit) or some other reason?

What is ‘common sense’? You can’t just pass something off as ‘common sense’ just because a majority agree. Do you see common sense come up in Law very often? Not really. I know it’s a pain, but you really have to justify the things you say and not hide behind this floating ideal of ‘common sense’.

Also, would you like to speculate on why, for the first time in history, homosexuals all over the world in the last 15 or 20 years are demanding that their relationships be recognized and dignified by a marriage certificate?

Well for a start, it’s not the first time in history (see my earlier posts). It’s a new concept as far as US law goes, because for years and years homosexuals have been pushed under the carpet and not even allowed to assert their existance, let alone have the audacity to ask for equal civil rights!

 

[Des]

Before I put a foot in the Catholic Church, I first spoke to my parish priest and was completely honest with him; he gave me his thoughts and now it is between me and God; suffice to say, that although I am in a relationship with another woman, I am not committing a sin

Anytime someone says they’re in a ‘relationship’ with someone the way you do, it sounds like it’s much more than on a sister/sister level. You have to understand that it’s always been a peeve of mine to see Catholics on this forum, representing the Catholic faith by name in their profile yet preaching another faith not represted by the Church. It can be very confusing to any non Catholic reading your posts.

You will notice that I have not asked of you (or of anyone else) to declare on an open forum the sins which you may have committed and whether you are willing to repent; but that is just me. It is of course possible that all here (except for me) are without sin

I never asked you to confess anything. I merely asked if you thought you were wrong which you clarely just said you weren’t. Saying you’re in a relationship tells me enough without going into any type of graphic detail. If what you mean is merely a sister/sister level then forget I said anyting.

And of course we all have sins and I have plenty. But I don’t say my sins are fine in God’s eyes either. That’s all I was getting at. If I did say for example that I thought murder was ok yet called myself Catholic, in my heart I wouldn’t be.

But what exactly has my situation got to do whether a Civil Marriage is a Civil right or not

You’re right it doesnt. That’s why I’ll keep quiet after this post.

 

[spn82756]

You obviously don’t get my logic. Past the point of damge - well that’s obvious. It will hurt, might render the ear as disfunctional, and would have to be fixed by some medical professional. But that’s my point - as long as no damage or harm results in it - then what is the problem?

I thought he was God’s son? Oh wait he was son of Mary and Joseph of Nasarath? But wasn’t she a virgin? And you have the audacity to call my arguments ridiculous!
Seriously though, where’s the proof? The Bible? And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! …my poor brain.

No, but weather it is true or not makes a difference. I know where my money is.

It’s difficult to hate that which does not exist.

But you have not told us why we should listen to Plato and Jefferson. Are you trying to imply that what they have written is more believable because they were not Catholic? Cos that would just be hilarious!

What is ‘common sense’? You can’t just pass something off as ‘common sense’ just because a majority agree. Do you see common sense come up in Law very often? Not really. I know it’s a pain, but you really have to justify the things you say and not hide behind this floating ideal of ‘common sense’.

Well for a start, it’s not the first time in history (see my earlier posts). It’s a new concept as far as US law goes, because for years and years homosexuals have been pushed under the carpet and not even allowed to assert their existance, let alone have the audacity to ask for equal civil rights!

I’ve got an idea. Let’s outlaw heterosexual relationships right now!!! We’ll see how many people are left in 100 years to practice a degenerate form of sex.

 

[Des]

intransigence?

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

 

[po18guy]

One would certainly hope that all marriages would be happy (gay).

On the other hand, there is no such thing as a marriage between two or more people of the same sex. Regardless of what the government says or doesn’t say.

Homosexuals have the same rights to marriage as heterosexuals. They, too, may marry a member of the opposite sex.

One must wonder how a “gay” man and a lesbian woman can produce children with one another. If they were truly “homosexual” by design, wouldn’t this be impossible?

 

[Des]

I’ve got an idea. Let’s outlaw heterosexual relationships right now!!! We’ll see how many people are left in 100 years to practice a degenerate form of sex.

I say put all who represent homosexual males or females together on one planet and see how last their society (one that includes the definition of homosexual unions being a marriage) will last. I’m thinking about in about 120 years, they will be no more.

 

[spn82756]

I say put all who represent homosexual males or females together on one planet and see how last their society (one that includes the definition of homosexual unions being a marriage) will last. I’m thinking about in about 120 years, they will be no more.

Yuck…I don’t want to have sex when I’m 120! Assuming there were innocent babies put on the same planet to be indoctrinated from birth.

 

[Mea_Culpa]

This thread has made abundantly clear the link between homosexuality and atheism. They repeat over and over, “There is no God, so I can do whatever I want to.” Since they are rebelling against God, they also rebel against his plan embedded in natural law and anatomy and form homosexual unions. Then they demand these unions be accorded the status of “marriages,” that these marriages be taught as normal in schools, that they be depicted as beautiful in films and on TV, that it be illegal to speak against these perverted practices (hate-speech) - what it’s really doing is pushing Christians off into the corner and mandating their silence while homosexual fornicators run wild, trampling underfoot all the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of our culture and leading it into neo-paganism.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Ashley42

I said:

*Also, would you like to speculate on why, for the first time in history, homosexuals all over the world in the last 15 or 20 years are demanding that their relationships be recognized and dignified by a marriage certificate? *

You said:

Well for a start, it’s not the first time in history (see my earlier posts).

I don’t recall any such post and it’s not polite of you to expect that I will search through all your posts to find an answer that doesn’t even exist.

There has NEVER been a time in history before our time when homosexuals demanded and got a marriage certificate.

There have been couplings, people living together, but never the sanction of the State. That’s how idiotic the idea has seemed to all past generations … until our own generation proved itself more idiotic than any that came before it.

 

[free2pray]

Really? Is your ear designed for you to stuff lasagna in it all day rather than eating the lasagna? And don’t say: “Well if that’s what I want to do, I can do it.” That may be true sometimes (before the men in white coats come for you), but I should hope that you see an aberration in such a person that is dangerous on one level or another.

Seems to me this should have ended the debate. Very hilariously and well put. Sadly the tactic of the opposition is to merely keep saying “na’uh na’uh” to everything we say until we decide to give up.

 

[free2pray]

You obviously don’t get my logic. Past the point of damge - well that’s obvious. It will hurt, might render the ear as disfunctional, and would have to be fixed by some medical professional. But that’s my point - as long as no damage or harm results in it - then what is the problem?

You obviously didn’t get his logic… sadly

I thought he was God’s son? Oh wait he was son of Mary and Joseph of Nasarath? But wasn’t she a virgin? And you have the audacity to call my arguments ridiculous!
Seriously though, where’s the proof? The Bible? And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! And we know the Bible is true because it is the word of God! But how do we KNOW it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible! …my poor brain.

We have many other defenses for the legitimacy of our beliefs besides the one that you gave. Why warp the truth to make your point? please don’t lie to us.

No, but weather it is true or not makes a difference. I know where my money is.

Pascal’s wager look it up

It’s difficult to hate that which does not exist.

You have just offered metaphysical proof for God’s existence. for your hate of Him is self evident

But you have not told us why we should listen to Plato and Jefferson. Are you trying to imply that what they have written is more believable because they were not Catholic? Cos that would just be hilarious!

he is not implying that at all, he was pointing out that in ancient history, and more recent history, others besides Catholics and Christians have views similar to ours on homosexuality

What is ‘common sense’? You can’t just pass something off as ‘common sense’ just because a majority agree. Do you see common sense come up in Law very often? Not really. I know it’s a pain, but you really have to justify the things you say and not hide behind this floating ideal of ‘common sense’.

Common sense is not what the majority see but are, rather, self-evident truths that shouldn’t have to be argued for.

Well for a start, it’s not the first time in history (see my earlier posts). It’s a new concept as far as US law goes, because for years and years homosexuals have been pushed under the carpet and not even allowed to assert their existance, let alone have the audacity to ask for equal civil rights!

Would that the Government go back to not supporting this Sin

 

[spn82756]

Seems to me this should have ended the debate. Very hilariously and well put. Sadly the tactic of the opposition is to merely keep saying “na’uh na’uh” to everything we say until we decide to give up.

And her response to my silly suggestion that who are you to tell people not stuff lasagna in their ear until it hurts.

She continuously compares apples to oranges and misquotes. Perhaps ignoring the posts are in order.

 

[Alexia2000]

Anytime someone says they’re in a ‘relationship’ with someone the way you do, it sounds like it’s much more than on a sister/sister level. You have to understand that it’s always been a peeve of mine to see Catholics on this forum, representing the Catholic faith by name in their profile yet preaching another faith not represted by the Church. It can be very confusing to any non Catholic reading your posts.

I never asked you to confess anything. I merely asked if you thought you were wrong which you clarely just said you weren’t. Saying you’re in a relationship tells me enough without going into any type of graphic detail. If what you mean is merely a sister/sister level then forget I said anyting.

And of course we all have sins and I have plenty. But I don’t say my sins are fine in God’s eyes either. That’s all I was getting at. If I did say for example that I thought murder was ok yet called myself Catholic, in my heart I wouldn’t be.

You’re right it doesnt. That’s why I’ll keep quiet after this post.

I cannot explain to you what you are incapable of experiencing (or not, as the case may be); and I mean no disrespect by that. It has taken me years to understand what the rest of you may be all about, and I am not talking only about the Catholics

Look up this: AVEN; 1.3% of the population are asexual; that does not mean that we are a-romantic; put simply, physical intimacy is not part of the equation; we are simply not programmed for it. So, it is by no great effort on my part that I escape the ‘sin clause’; I escape it simply because I was born this way

I am not in a sister/sister type of relationship. I love my sister but not in the same manner in which I love my partner

If you can understand the above, then you are a cleverer person than I am; for I have never been able to completely understand the sexuals (of any and all types). Doesn’t mean that I want you all off ‘my’ planet. Just means that if I don’t have to do what you do, then I am happy :extrahappy:

If you are suggesting that unless I take the ‘side’ of the Catholics on this thread, I am not a Catholic, then, regrettably, I have to tell you that you are incorrect. The fact that I am a Catholic doesn’t automatically mean that I am charged to take away the rights of other people. I have yet to come across a sexual who has taken away any of my rights. The day anyone does, that is the day I will fight back

Reading this forum is distinctly giving me the impression that unless one is in an exclusively heterosexual relationship and ‘at it’ all day and night, one cannot be a Catholic; how sad if that is true, for then Catholicism has been reduced to base animal instincts and behaviour

PS. The members of AVEN regard sexuals (ALL types) in the same manner as you regard homosexuals; so have your flak-jacket ready for you are gonna get the same bashing as the homosexuals do on this forum

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Ashley

It’s difficult to hate that which does not exist.

How do you know that God does not exist?

Even if you don’t hate God, you seem to hate the idea of God, at least the Christian idea of God. You are certainly willing to fight it, or why would you be mocking God in this forum?

We pray for you anyway, even if you think it’s a wasted effort.

We pray for all those who con themselves and each other that gay sex is natural and needs to be state sanctioned by a marriage certificate.

 

[spn82756]

Ashley

It’s difficult to hate that which does not exist.

How do you know that God does not exist?

Even if you don’t hate God, you seem to hate the idea of God, at least the Christian idea of God. You are certainly willing to fight it, or why would you be mocking God in this forum?

We pray for you anyway, even if you think it’s a wasted effort.

We pray for all those who con themselves and each other that gay sex is natural and needs to be state sanctioned by a marriage certificate.

I guess one of my questions is why come to the forum to challenge Christians about what we believe? I don’t go to gay websites and do that. And that’s where it really needs to be challenged.

I love it when atheists deny the existence of God. There are so many occurrences that are clearly supernatural that have occurred. Even denying the NT is silly. People died for being Christians. They are a sad lot.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Gay marriage is not Civil RIght. It is Special Rights. A valid marriage is only between a man and a woman. Even if a gay marriage is married by a judge. The Catholic Church will not recognize that marriage and that marriage is invalid. In the Eyes of God, He will not recognized it either. Let me put clearly in the Bible.

Matthew 19:3-6, "And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be become one? So they are no longer two but one. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder."

This maybe about divorce but Jesus understood the Genesis story that God created us as male and female A marriage between a gay couple is an unholy union and it isn’t blessed.

 

[spn82756]

Gay marriage is not Civil RIght. It is Special Rights. A valid marriage is only between a man and a woman. Even if a gay marriage is married by a judge. The Catholic Church will not recognize that marriage and that marriage is invalid. In the Eyes of God, He will not recognized it either. Let me put clearly in the Bible.

Matthew 19:3-6, "And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be become one? So they are no longer two but one. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder."

This maybe about divorce but Jesus understood the Genesis story that God created us as male and female A marriage between a gay couple is an unholy union and it isn’t blessed.

Once again…

 

[surritter]

Hi Manny –

I completely agree with you, but if you’ve been following this thread at all you will see that your argument will have no sway with those pushing for gay “marriage.”

 

[spn82756]

Hi Manny –

I completely agree with you, but if you’ve been following this thread at all you will see that your argument will have no sway with those pushing for gay “marriage.”

Certainly not an atheist.

 

[Mea_Culpa]

Hi Manny –

I completely agree with you, but if you’ve been following this thread at all you will see that your argument will have no sway with those pushing for gay “marriage.”

They have “exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:25) - nothing we say will convince them to give up their dishonorable passions. “And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.” Romans 1:28 Not only have their perversions come out of the closet, they are demanding that we sanction them and give them the status of “marriages.”