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court14
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Actually I am asking for clarification which is not at all vague.
Gay marriage OK because homosexuals born that way and deserve to have romantic relationships too?
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It is a moral disorder according to the experts.
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You have been presented with the facts and evidence. You reject them. That does not make them non facts. It simply means you reject what is true.
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It was removed for political reasons in the 1970s.
We are back to how we define health and disease.
BTW, professional organizations mix politics with science all the time including in position papers on controversial topics.
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court14
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It was removed because of the studies done by Kinsley which were further supported by the findings of Evelyn Hooker. If you are confused over the term disease google the word. There is a very specific definition and it has nothing to do with how “we” define disease. It is how the experts define it.
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GodLovesTheSpek
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That “dogma” also teaches us to pray for our brothers and sisters.
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court14
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Prayer is not “Catholic Dogma.” It is common in mosts faiths and even more so in the western faiths which stem from Abram. Prayer was encouraged long before the Roman Church.
Prayer is a good thing and praying for ones own short comings should be paramount. Christ taught that we should “clean up our own house” before we attempt to correct someone elses behavior.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
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LeroyCRHP
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Majority does not rule, there is right and wrong. Homosexuality is in the ~1% range so it is really obscure other than the people that practice yell loudly and AIDS is a worldwide diaster created largely by homosexual behavior.
There is such a concept as normal behavior, and abnormal behavior. Math doesn’t play any role in what is morally right, we seem to have lost that point.
There is such a concept as normal behavior, and abnormal behavior. Math doesn’t play any role in what is morally right, we seem to have lost that point.
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RobbyS
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Kinsey’s report was flawed because of his sampling, which included too many prison inmates. No, it was removed for arbitrary reasons, proceeding from the notion that the labeling of homosexuality was simply a matter of convention. If simply a matter of convention, it could of course be changed arbitrarily
in response to political demand.
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GodLovesTheSpek
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Indeed. We are our brother’s keeper and so we must clean up our own house, or He will do it for us. The original poster inquired. The answer to the question is “no”.
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court14
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And on and on we go… The experts in medical and mental health field concur that it is neither a mental illness nor a depravity. The fact that you don’t accept these conclusions is not at all atypical behavior for humans in general. “How dare you challenge my childhood teachings”
I am no more subject to your subjective understanding of morality than you are of mine.
The fact that I find a ritual of eating someones flesh and drinking said individuals blood as a way to appease an all powerful being repulsive (In fact if only a small group held these belief s society would deem them insane) doesn’t invalidate your freedom to practice said ritual … I recognize your freedom to participate even though it seems unnatural…
I don’t think anyone is asking Rome’s approval. The question at hand is do your personal views on morality dictate who two consenting adults elect to spend their lives with? Legally?Because if we start allowing the majority to determine specific details of said situations the Catholic Church not being the majority in the USA (eg “abnormal”) ain’t gonna make it. I don’t think any of us would like to be forced into joining the Southern Baptist Convention
Same sex marriage will be legalized in the not to distant future. The fact that it is an issue being debated is fairly strong evidence alone… Generation Y is becoming the majority voting block and they are a progressive group of voters(stats wise ). When folks look back they will have the same response we have on the issues concerning women and minorities a century ago; How could anyone think that way…
Get ready
Cheers!
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GodLovesTheSpek
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The answer is still “no”.
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court14
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Not sure where the less than 1% figure orginates. These are the recent stats-
Scientific studies have reported the percentage of those whose
sexual attraction is only towards the same sex are range from 4% to 7.5% for women and 7.7% to 13.95% for men with the averages being 9.37% for men and 4.87% for women.
The Indiana University Kinsey Reports (Sexual Behavior in the Human Male - Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female - Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being more or less exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being more or less exclusively homosexual.
A 1990 study (Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and Reinisch) stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had “extensive” or “more than incidental” homosexual experience.
A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior - Janus and Janus) found 9% of men and 5% of women were involved in frequent or ongoing homosexual experiences.
A 1994 study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) reported that the incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for women.
In 1995, a survey (The prevalence of homosexual behavior and attraction in the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of national population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported 6.2% of U.S. males and 3.6% of U.S. females with “sexual contact with someone of the same sex only or with both sexes in the previous five years.”
Scientific studies have reported the percentage of those whose
sexual attraction is only towards the same sex are range from 4% to 7.5% for women and 7.7% to 13.95% for men with the averages being 9.37% for men and 4.87% for women.
The Indiana University Kinsey Reports (Sexual Behavior in the Human Male - Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female - Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being more or less exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being more or less exclusively homosexual.
A 1990 study (Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and Reinisch) stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had “extensive” or “more than incidental” homosexual experience.
A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior - Janus and Janus) found 9% of men and 5% of women were involved in frequent or ongoing homosexual experiences.
A 1994 study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) reported that the incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for women.
In 1995, a survey (The prevalence of homosexual behavior and attraction in the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of national population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported 6.2% of U.S. males and 3.6% of U.S. females with “sexual contact with someone of the same sex only or with both sexes in the previous five years.”
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GodLovesTheSpek
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None of the so-called data makes it morally right to practice it. No one disputes that homosexuality exists. The answer is still “no” now and forever.
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court14
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The purpose of the post was to show that the stats you posted where fallacious not to change your opinion on morality. It seems no amount of evidence(aside from an edict from Rome) will accomplish this.
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There is so much hate on this thread it is absolutely unbelievable.
Why?
Why?
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Truth is hate to those who hate truth.
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