Gay Marriage: The Death Knell of Christiany

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“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods… When we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in context,” he said. Adding that the church should not be “obsessed” with transmitting “a disjointed multitude of doctrines,” Pope Francis said: “We have to find a new balance; otherwise the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.” - Pope Francis
 
It absolutely did need to be given, now more than ever considering the obsession that is real, especially here.
 
The problem I have is saying it’s all the gays fault. Some of the most ardent pushers of so-called gay “marriage” and the rest of this transgender nonsense are straights who blindly virtue-signal.

And it’s safe to say a lot of these people would turn on the GLBT folks in a hot second if sharia law became cool.
 
Pope Francis is not saying “let’s use this as an excuse to support anti-Catholic and left-wing positions”. He’s saying we need to be holistic.
 
He’s saying not to become obsessed, which some people on here seem to be. :roll_eyes:
 
Would you give that speech to those trying to abolish slavery?
It would be grand in a world where very few abortions happen or there isn’t an ongoing campaign to introduce abortion in places where it’s illegal.

But that is not the real world. We do need to push back against these things. In fact, in anything we should be doing more to oppose abortion and speak out against it.
 
Jamie5 said:
He’s saying not to become obsessed, which some people on here seem to be.
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This comment is just a cue for the pro-marriage defenders to remain silent because it’s the only way gay “marriage” advocates can cram their agenda through.

Not going to happen.
 
exnihilo said:
Same sex marriage is the natural result of what began a century ago. It is the fruit of contraception, divorce, and abortion. While it shows the depths of sexual licence it isn’t the problem. Far more people have had their faith destroyed by divorce than by same sex marriage.
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Because everything was just hunky dory before the Sexual Revolution. Yessirree, back in the good old days when a man could beat his wife and kids with little likelihood of prosecution, when police could use the heaviest hand on homosexuals. That was the good old days.
 
What was this heaviest hand on homosexuals? They were largely left alone unless they were caught in public, which was and is a real problem. Now we get men walking down the street in leather celebrating pride. That isn’t an improvement.
 
Yes, that crazy popular argument that 2 consenting adults who love each other should be able to get married. So fallacious, which makes it a harbinger indeed of the Death Knell of Christiany, a religion I’m not too familiar with?
 
Largely left alone? Please tell me you’re joking. Homosexuals faced more violence, murder, discrimination and hatred whether or not they were “caught” whatever that means. I’m truly boggled by people’s lack of basic empathy.
 
exnihilo said:
What was this heaviest hand on homosexuals? They were largely left alone unless they were caught in public, which was and is a real problem. Now we get men walking down the street in leather celebrating pride. That isn’t an improvement.
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Yes, as long as they kept their head down and their sexuality a secret, they were generally left alone. Mind you, they weren’t always left alone, and then they could forced into all sorts of horrid treatments; prison, forced castration (Alan Turing was a victim of this).

Maybe part of the reason there is such a strong homosexual lobby nowadays is because of historic abuses. A lot of people seem to rail against the “gay lobby”, and yet refuse to admit that homosexuals were historically very badly treated.
 
Same sex marriage may only affect a small percentage of people in that only a small percent will seek it for themselves. Where it has been legalized, however, marriage is redefined for 100% of people. For 100% of people, marriage is now defined as a non-conjugal union, having nothing to do with sexual complementarity, having nothing to do with procreation or with children. For 100% of people, public schools will now teach children that families need not include a mom and a dad, that same sex unions are normal, that boys might turn into girls and girls might turn into boys, that children have no right to know their mothers and fathers, that human beings are not male and female but may choose their own gender at will. For 100% of people, the state will have official declared that human nature is no longer natural, that human desire is supreme.
 
For 100% people, it won’t affect their straight traditional marriage one bit.
 
JimG said:
Same sex marriage may only affect a small percentage of people in that only a small percent will seek it for themselves. Where it has been legalized, however, marriage is redefined for 100% of people. For 100% of people, marriage is now defined as a non-conjugal union, having nothing to do with sexual complementarity, having nothing to do with procreation or with children. For 100% of people, public schools will now teach children that families need not include a mom and a dad, that same sex unions are normal, that boys might turn into girls and girls might turn into boys, that children have no right to know their mothers and fathers, that human beings are not male and female but may choose their own gender at will. For 100% of people, the state will have official declared that human nature is no longer natural, that human desire is supreme.
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I’m sorry. That gays can marry hardly affects my marriage, and in most jurisdictions children can find out their biological parents upon application, assuming the biological parent wants to be found.

It’s none of my business if two people of the same gender want to get married. It doesn’t affect me, and I’m not going to peddle in nightmare fantasies. We’ve had SSM in Canada for 12 years, and the world has not exploded or the sun stopped rising.
 
Jamie5 said:
Largely left alone? Please tell me you’re joking. Homosexuals faced more violence, murder, discrimination and hatred whether or not they were “caught” whatever that means. I’m truly boggled by people’s lack of basic empathy.
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I don’t think that is true. Why do you think that? The biggest risk of violence a homosexual faces is and always will be his homosexual partner. They are notorious for having violent relationships.
 
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