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Jamie5
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How is it the truth exactly?
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This here is the problem with the thinking behind Gay marriage. Should the child not have the RIGHT to trace their parent? All the focus in SSM is on the desires of the adult. It’s entirely adult-centred. No regard for the child’s rights.
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exnihilo
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Exactly. In this way it isn’t unique. Selfishness drives so much of our modern culture. It drives divorce too.
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niceatheist
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And yet no one seems to dispute it, so why would SSM be any different? Children could still find out who their biological parent is, in either case, providing that parent wishes to be found.niceatheist:
No. but adoption is not the ideal situation either.
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niceatheist
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Oh good, lets’ explore your belief that homosexuals are more likely to be serial killers.
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exnihilo
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It is simple. A lot of well known serial killers were homosexual. Given the rarity of homosexuality this is telling. Also I’ve noticed a lot of homosexuals who murder their lovers also mutilate the body, especially the genitals.
You’ll not find this studied for the obvious reason TBT promote homosexuality.
You’ll not find this studied for the obvious reason TBT promote homosexuality.
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Jamie5
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Marriage equality has already been a fact in Massachusetts for 14 years now. Where are the calamities that are supposed to befall society? Has this been the Death Knell for Christianity in Massachusetts? How many years will this need to be in place before people stop lying about it?
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exnihilo
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Homosexuals are a small element of society. Those who get ‘married’ are even smaller. The calamity is more to the individuals, particularly children, associated with them.
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pnewton
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This is probably the best paraphrase of what he actually said. He did not say we did not need to be obsessed. You have to finish the sentence for it to be true. With what should we not be obsessed? "Transmitting “a disjointed multitude of doctrines.” Christianity is not a check list of unrelated morals. “Holistic” is not a bad term for what Pope Francis is advocating.
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pnewton
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That’s a good question. I do not think those who are beset by this sin will ever quit lying, either to others or themselves, which is why their suicide rate will always remain higher than normal. If we could ever stop being politically correct long enough to research the problem we might not be so gung ho on gay marriage in our society, and darn sure would listen to the wisdom of the Holy Father on the need for a child to have a mother and a father.
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Jamie5
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A false premise is an incorrect proposition that forms the basis of an argument or syllogism. Since the premise (proposition, or assumption) is not correct, the conclusion drawn may be in error. However, the logical validity of an argument is a function of its internal consistency, not the truth value of its premises.
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stpurl
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Jamie, do you know anything about antibiotics? The discovery of penicillin in 1928 by Alexander Fleming and its use as a ‘wonder drug’ was hailed by millions.
We now, 89 years later, live in a world in which superinfections which could cause pandemics killing billions are literally ‘one drug away’ from wreaking havoc.
People did not realize that the abundant use of penicillins and other drugs could cause unseen mutations by the viruses that they were used to cure.
Just because you don’t see something happen 5, 10, 15, even 60, 70, a hundred years and more, doesn’t mean that something which was thought to be beneficial and wonderful at one point won’t turn into a tragic mess later. Clear-cutting forests, anyone?
Any sociologist or budding collegiate could tell you that one should not theorize ahead of the data, or rely upon case studies that are small to infinitesimal.
We now, 89 years later, live in a world in which superinfections which could cause pandemics killing billions are literally ‘one drug away’ from wreaking havoc.
People did not realize that the abundant use of penicillins and other drugs could cause unseen mutations by the viruses that they were used to cure.
Just because you don’t see something happen 5, 10, 15, even 60, 70, a hundred years and more, doesn’t mean that something which was thought to be beneficial and wonderful at one point won’t turn into a tragic mess later. Clear-cutting forests, anyone?
Any sociologist or budding collegiate could tell you that one should not theorize ahead of the data, or rely upon case studies that are small to infinitesimal.
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pnewton
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That works well for philosophy, science, math, and a great deal of things. Politics, predictions, sociology, psychology, are better served by evidence, and even then are usually more opinion than anything. For example, your use of Massachusetts gay marriage is evidence, but not a lot, as fourteen years is not much time. History provides better long term examples, in my opinion.
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niceatheist
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If it hasn’t been studied how can you draw any conclusion. Do you have statistics on the percentage of serial killers that are homosexuals? Without that, you’re not just drawing a hasty conclusion, you’re drawing a conclusion based on no evidence.
But it’s this sort of biased thinking, if not outright bigotry, which is what homosexuals have suffered for generations.
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niceatheist
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This is at best anecdotal, and of course I could provide a huge list of children in heterosexual homes who suffered horrific abuse. What I want is data, not disconnected stories. Anecdotal evidence is pretty much useless.
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niceatheist
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So you’ll need to provide me with some data that children of same-sex partners have worse outcomes than those of heterosexual partners.
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SuperLuigi
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It is certainly a contributing factor.
The Canadian war on children is unfortunate and has proven Jordan B. Peterson right on these issues.
It’s just basically illegal to speak out against or misuse someone’s proper pronoun. Unless, I guess, if one is Muslim.
The Canadian war on children is unfortunate and has proven Jordan B. Peterson right on these issues.
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niceatheist
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There’s no such law, and no one has been charged.It is certainly a contributing factor.
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It’s just basically illegal to speak out against or misuse someone’s proper pronoun. Unless, I guess, I if one is Muslim.
There’s no “war on children” either.
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theCardinalbird
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In Canada, Catholic views on marriage and the family are becoming less popular every year.
Also the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada allows freedom of religion freedom of conscience freedom of expression where we are allowed to think what we want to think, although they may be limited in some ways. I have yet to see that we are not allowed to say or Catholic ideals but nevertheless the Catholic faith and it’s teachings on marriage and the family are unpopular
Also the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada allows freedom of religion freedom of conscience freedom of expression where we are allowed to think what we want to think, although they may be limited in some ways. I have yet to see that we are not allowed to say or Catholic ideals but nevertheless the Catholic faith and it’s teachings on marriage and the family are unpopular
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